True, especially if you're talking about the scientific method. It's never "proven" anything. All that the scientific method can do is disprove hypotheses. Take gravity for example. We assume that when something is dropped it will fall. We make this assumption because it's alway held true until now. If we ever found an instance where the object didn't fall, we would have to modify our hypothesis.
Re: Re: Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't think you get it.
2) Throughout history, in our lifetime, through TIME period...the only thing that keeps going forever is change.
I disagree with that assertion. Jesus keeps going forever and He doesn't change.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever."
Hebrews 13:9 🙂
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Speaking of absolute truths, there was a dude that proved a while back that you can't prove every true statement. It's completely impossible.I wish I could site his name, and possibly a link. But I read it a while back in a book about physics and found it interesting and wanted to share.
🙂
Perhaps you are correct. Some truths are unable to be proven. They just merely exist, and need nothing to justify their existence.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
I disagree with that assertion. Jesus keeps going forever and He doesn't change."Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever."
Hebrews 13:9 🙂
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:15
Originally posted by Alliance
Then how do we distiguish the real from the false?
Through the power of the Holy Spirit. It give's you supernatural discernment. In the end times, this is the only type of discernment that will allow people, even the most intelligent ones, to be able to discern the differences between those who call themselves good and those who call themselves evil.
Originally posted by Gay Guy
😕Uhhh..wouldn't he just be contradicting himself by saying that?
no, that doesn´t lead to a contradiction... the sentence "you can't prove every true statement" is not one of these statements that cannot be proved, it would be a contradiction just if it was like that.
the name of the guy who proved it was Kurt Gödel BTW
Re: Re: Re: Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
I disagree with that assertion. Jesus keeps going forever and He doesn't change."Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever."
Hebrews 13:9 🙂
No. The IDEA of Jesus Christ is ever changing.
1) The Bible has changed over translations and has been manipulated over time by men. Many Gospels and Books were left out and altered to fit the time more convientently or for other purposes, WAtch History Channel and look up history of the Catholic Church and Bible Process.
2) Jesus Christ is dead. He was once human, then supposedly a renewed resurrected human, back to a spirit, and now either a spiritual force that people pray 2/or a figment of our imaginations.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No. The [b]IDEA of Jesus Christ is ever changing.1) The Bible has changed over translations and has been manipulated over time by men. Many Gospels and Books were left out and altered to fit the time more convientently or for other purposes, WAtch History Channel and look up history of the Catholic Church and Bible Process.
2) Jesus Christ is dead. He was once human, then supposedly a renewed resurrected human, back to a spirit, and now either a spiritual force that people pray 2/or a figment of our imaginations. [/B]
3)REMEMBER Jesus does not speak for himself. It is the Christians and the Church who speak for him, and the Bible which is filled with numerous contradictions and left to infinite interpretation.
Christians are every changing, and so is/are the Church/Churches
Therefore the Mental Entity which is Jesus Christ is ever changing, because his reputation, representation, symbolism, and moral translation are ALWAYS CHANGING throughout history and will probably always continue to do so. 🙂
Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:1) There is an Exception to everything.
2) The only constant is change.
What do you guys think ?
I think your right~ 😇
"Je pense, donc je suis".. or "Cogito ergo sum".. perhaps the more commone usage.. "i think, therefore i am".. stated by the famous René Descartes... this statement plays a significant role in this conversation.. basiclly what Descartes was saying is that what he thinks is in fact what is... this why this "absolute truth" cannot be fully proven.. everyone thinks differently.. what one person may percieve as being wrong, another person may think its right... in turn, this also depends on our experiences... this all boils down to the countless decisions weve made in our lifes... whether we want to believe it or not, we are responsible for everything that has happened and will happen in our lives... but im diverging from my point... whether something is proven to be true or false, it doesnt matter.. all that matters is what you think... if you truely believe... 100%.. without any doubt in the mind... then it will be
Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Hey everybody. I think that these two facts are the only Undeniable truths that exist. I don't beleive religion, science, or any other source of information can disprove this:1) There is an Exception to everything.
2) The only constant is change.
What do you guys think ?
My dear friend, first of all, nothing is undeniable and truth is subjective.
Secondly, exception assumes the existence of rules.
Constant and change is logically exclusive.
Lastly, I think you are confused and pointless with your statement.
Originally posted by docb77
Perhaps the idea of Christ is constantly evolving, but that doesn't mean that the actual being is. We haven't heard from him since he ascended into heaven, would it be that much of a stretch to think that he's the same now as he was then?
Yes, for the simple fact that you don't know him. Since you don't truly know him, not personally, not physically, and you cannot say you truly know him mentaly/emotionally and think we're all going to buy into it.
You, nor no Christian, truly knows Jesus Christ the person. Therefore for you and anyone else to claim that Jesus Christ the being is an absolute constant is INVALID and laughable.
Re: Re: The ONLY ABSOLUTE TRUTHS
Originally posted by Wonderer
My dear friend, first of all, nothing is undeniable and truth is subjective.Secondly, exception assumes the existence of rules.
Constant and change is logically exclusive.
Lastly, I think you are confused and pointless with your statement.
Real truth cannot be subjective.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, for the simple fact that you don't know him. Since you don't truly know him, not personally, not physically, and you cannot say you truly know him mentaly/emotionally and think we're all going to buy into it.You, nor no Christian, truly knows Jesus Christ the person. Therefore for you and anyone else to claim that Jesus Christ the being is an absolute constant is INVALID and laughable.
Actually you have no way of knowing what I or any other christian knows. That is after all what a prophet is. And being mormon, I believe that there are modern day prophets.