Wolverine can be taken down by a normal person if they hit him correctly.
A Hulk punch which Wolverine rolls with is less effective than say...a Karnak finger poke, which would K.O Wolvie...or anyone else in a nano-second.
Nerve hits work on everyone, even Hulk or Thor have been hurt by them. Hell, Juggernaut was hurt by a nerve punch once (That chick...after fighting the other chick with the big head and the wolverine-esque guy...the templars or something..I dunno. STFU).
Originally posted by riceroost
Yet it was funny when he said it because the "one trick pony" worked.....more than once. The statement also doesn't mean X can do anything about it, only that X would know that Wolverine had a way around his telepathy and would need to try something different.I liked Tieri's run on Wolverine, but Tieri did write Wolverine like movie Wolverine. Just a human guy with claws and a healing power. He didn't write Wolverine as a really good fighter, or as a character with enhanced speed, strength, agility, and reflexes. The only time he showed Wolverine with any knid of speed happened long after the X insident against mobsters in New York.
Even if X could know all of Wolverine's moves ahead of time it wouldn't matter because X is human and can't do anything to a man with strength and speed that are many times greater than a human. X shouldn't be able to do anything with his human offensive capabilities that can hurt Wolverine. Wolverine is not hurt after being punched by Colossus. What could Mr. X hope to do? Not much.
see that's the thing.. wolverine states that x starts using block after block.. I don't care how conditioned the guys bones are from training.. I've trained with an iron dummy for years and STILL if I put in 3 or 4 solid blocks into it without holding back my arms are offically tendorized for the next week... x's arms should have been broken.. they weren't, and maybe he's just that good.. but then again.. he also grabbed logans claws.. he GRABBED THEM!!!!!!!
everyone knows what logan's claws are capible of cutting right? HE GRABBED THEM! WHAT THE ****!?!?!??!?!?!?
Originally posted by long pig
Wolverine can be taken down by a normal person if they hit him correctly.A Hulk punch which Wolverine rolls with is less effective than say...a Karnak finger poke, which would K.O Wolvie...or anyone else in a nano-second.
Nerve hits work on everyone, even Hulk or Thor have been hurt by them. Hell, Juggernaut was hurt by a nerve punch once (That chick...after fighting the other chick with the big head and the wolverine-esque guy...the templars or something..I dunno. STFU).
you mean the exemplars?
I'm not sure their an effective example considering they ALL of them were toe to toeing it with herc and thor...
but still I hear what you're saying, all I'm saying is it's far more likely DS would get scewered then get a nerve shot in...
Originally posted by long pigThats just nonsense that people cook up to give people like Batman a chance against someone like Solomon Grundy. Bottom Line is no human, I dont care how skilled, is going to put Wolverine down more effectively than a punch from a 100 ton character. It's just not true.
Wolverine can be taken down by a normal person if they hit him correctly.A Hulk punch which Wolverine rolls with is less effective than say...a Karnak finger poke, which would K.O Wolvie...or anyone else in a nano-second.
Nerve hits work on everyone, even Hulk or Thor have been hurt by them. Hell, Juggernaut was hurt by a nerve punch once (That chick...after fighting the other chick with the big head and the wolverine-esque guy...the templars or something..I dunno. STFU).
The other problem with nerve strikes and the like is the fact that Wolverine knows them all. Wolverine has used them before. Odds are you get impaled before that kind of thing comes into play.
Originally posted by riceroost
Gas: ineffective most of the time.
Energy staff: dodge, or just take it like he did in X-Men vs. Titans.
Electricity: Wolverine has been hit by lightning no problem
Tranks: Taken doses for 10 elephants no problem.
hooks: ????? what are hooks?
Webbing: Wolverine's fought Spider-Man / dodge.
Nets: cut.Bah, Wolverine did fine against Deathstroke in the Titans/X-Men crossover no matter what anyone says. Bottom line is Slade can't keep him down. Wolverine can put Slade down.
Plus, add in Slade's four or five upgrades in strength/speed/weapons since that non-cannon storyline which was written by Wolverine's creator/fan Claremont and it'll leave you with a very, very bad taste.
Oh, and he isn't capable of dodging something that moves thousands of times faster than he is especially when it's being shot at him by someone faster than he is. It's kinda silly to say otherwise.
he couldn't hit batman with that thing.. I don't think he'd fair better against wolverine...I've never seen his staff display blasts anywhere NEAR cyk level and wolverine's literally walked through or stood up to full cyk blasts 3 times now...
wolverine was barely put down by tranq darts that were loaded enough to put down a t-rex.. everything else wolverine can deal with fine as well...
He has hit Batman with it, even before it's upgrade (600% upgrade).
The blaster has shown VERY high-end destructive ability. He's smashed massive chunks of a mountain to dust with it, he's blown away 10 feet thick walls of concrete with it, he's knocked Superman into a wall with it, blasted Wonder Woman many yards away with it.
It's most def Cyclops level.
Originally posted by long pig
Oh, and he isn't capable of dodging something that moves thousands of times faster than he is especially when it's being shot at him by someone faster than he is. It's kinda silly to say otherwise.
but since we are.. wolverine's dodged living lightning and your theory on the matter went flying out the window.
Originally posted by long pighe failed to during their rooftop battle.
He has hit Batman with it, even before it's upgrade (600% upgrade).
Originally posted by long pigI'm not sure any of those feats put his blaster on par with cyk blasts... you know the one's that vaporize sentinals and level forests.. but okay.. 🙄
The blaster has shown VERY high-end destructive ability. He's smashed massive chunks of a mountain to dust with it, he's blown away 10 feet thick walls of concrete with it, he's knocked Superman into a wall with it, blasted Wonder Woman many yards away with it.It's most def Cyclops level.
now.. which ish did sabes break wolverine's neck?
what cause you to pick up these books? what changed your opinion?
Boredom, honestly. I just started reading his first series and it all came back. I saw in him what I used to see, the lost samurai with inner demons and a good heart. Flawed to the point of perfection.
what issue?
oh you're talking about the native storyline... well aside from the fact that in that same arc wolverine put a claw through sabretooth's admantium skull and that sabretooth "forgot" he had superstrength when logan ran him over with a car.. I don't think he actually did break wolverine's neck.. at least.. I don't recall any such instance.
Originally posted by jinzin
see that's the thing.. wolverine states that x starts using block after block.. I don't care how conditioned the guys bones are from training.. I've trained with an iron dummy for years and STILL if I put in 3 or 4 solid blocks into it without holding back my arms are offically tendorized for the next week... x's arms should have been broken.. they weren't, and maybe he's just that good.. but then again.. he also grabbed logans claws.. he GRABBED THEM!!!!!!!everyone knows what logan's claws are capible of cutting right? HE GRABBED THEM! WHAT THE ****!?!?!??!?!?!?
Heres the whole fight man, he didn't grabe them.
Taskmaster even helped him in the fight.
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i have the entire story arch with x.. in paperback.. you're not showing me anything I haven't already seen.. look at their first fight... he most definitely grabs logans claws... I don't think i've ever called PIS out on somthing.. so this is probably a first.. but THAT was one of the most PIS filled moments in comic book history that i've ever seen....nuff said.
and in THAT fight TM was a neutral party... he helped X as much as he did wolverine.. they were both in danger of that fire not just X... so I'm really not sure WHAT exactly you're trying to pull...
Originally posted by long pig
Boredom, honestly. I just started reading his first series and it all came back. I saw in him what I used to see, the lost samurai with inner demons and a good heart. Flawed to the point of perfection.Sabretooth broke his neck when he was hunting Wolverine while Wolverine was banging that lady who had his DNA. She was feral and had claws like him.
Oh ...I had that issue . Isn't it the one where Wolverine does this stupid 'Snick Snack paddy whack thing....
but since we are.. wolverine's dodged living lightning and your theory on the matter went flying out the window.
Nuh uh. ❌
he failed to during their rooftop battle.
Plus...and this is key, that blaster was the old blaster, the one he has now is 600x more powerful.
I'm not sure any of those feats put his blaster on par with cyk blasts... you know the one's that vaporize sentinals and level forests.. but okay..
If something can blow a helicopter to dust, then it's upgraded 600% more powerful, wouldn't that be close to Cyke level? If you can make Wonder-Woman or Superman feel the slightest bit of pain, isn't that near Cyke level?
I think so.
Originally posted by riceroost
Thats just nonsense that people cook up to give people like Batman a chance against someone like Solomon Grundy. Bottom Line is no human, I dont care how skilled, is going to put Wolverine down more effectively than a punch from a 100 ton character.
The same nonsense is the reason why Wolverine doesn't get put down by 100 classes all the time.
Originally posted by jinzin
oh you're talking about the native storyline... well aside from the fact that in that same arc wolverine put a claw through sabretooth's admantium skull and that sabretooth "forgot" he had superstrength when logan ran him over with a car.. I don't think he actually did break wolverine's neck.. at least.. I don't recall any such instance.
He grabbed Wolverine, picked him up by the head and twisted. It made a sound "CRACCCK!" and Wolverine was left k.o'd. Then, it was commented on saying that it took a few minutes for his broken neck to heal.
Originally posted by jinzin
i have the entire story arch with x.. in paperback.. you're not showing me anything I haven't already seen.. look at their first fight... he most definitely grabs logans claws...
Are you talking about their very first fight or the Bloodsport fight?
Originally posted by jinzin
and in THAT fight TM was a neutral party... he helped X as much as he did wolverine.. they were both in danger of that fire not just X... so I'm really not sure WHAT exactly you're trying to pull...
X has Wolverine in a choke hold and Taskmaster's arrow lets Wolverine brake free.
Originally posted by long pig
Heheh...lightspeed reactions.Nuh uh. ❌
on top of that he's dodged cyk's blasts, lazers, and helped other people dodge lasers before they've been shot at... it's quite amazing.. ✅
Originally posted by long pigyet he said he'd kill bats if he had to.
He didn't fail, he didn't want to. He simply (at the time...now-adays he's shown to be a villain) doesn't kill heroes. He says it's bad for business.
Originally posted by long pig
Plus...and this is key, that blaster was the old blaster, the one he has now is 600x more powerful.
It's hard to believe, I understand, but IMO they are very close in power.
Originally posted by long pigI think cyk could take out a few more than 6 helicopters.. lol.. also.. I don't think he made supes feel pain.. wonder woman's a tossup since she has strange durability levels.. a bullet KOed thor.. is a bullet at cyk level? ❌
If something can blow a helicopter to dust, then it's upgraded 600% more powerful, wouldn't that be close to Cyke level? If you can make Wonder-Woman or Superman feel the slightest bit of pain, isn't that near Cyke level?I think so.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
The same nonsense is the reason why Wolverine doesn't get put down by 100 classes all the time.
There are people in real life who make a living by falling 50 feet to the ground and not getting hurt just by having skill. Wolverine has that skill plus massive, MASSIVE durability and a medium level of speed.
I can handle Wolvie taking a Hulk punch and being ok. But if he takes a Karnak punch, I'd be pissed.
Originally posted by jinzin
I think cyk could take out a few more than 6 helicopters.. lol.. also.. I don't think he made supes feel pain.. wonder woman's a tossup since she has strange durability levels.. a bullet KOed thor.. is a bullet at cyk level? ❌
Cyckes blast wouldn't kill WW , they might make her sting a little but nothing more.
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0Wthe first fight.. where he GRABS the claw... I thought that was obvious...
Are you talking about their very first fight or the Bloodsport fight?
Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0Wwait are you implying wolverine couldn't get out of that on his own? 🤨
X has Wolverine in a choke hold and Taskmaster's arrow lets Wolverine brake free.
