Street Levellers who can beat Wolverine

Started by riceroost52 pages
riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
See, we don't use non-cannon cross overs here. Why? Because they aren't actual stories, they are just sales ploys. They simply don't count.
I dont care if it wasn't a cannon crossover. Both Wolverine and Wilson were written according to their powers at the time. It's still one of the best crossovers between the two companies. Wilson wasn't beating the entire JLA and Wolverine wasn't stomping Lobo, so it works well for me.
Originally posted by long pig
Plus, add in Slade's four or five upgrades in strength/speed/weapons since that non-cannon storyline which was written by Wolverine's creator/fan Claremont and it'll leave you with a very, very bad taste.
Who cares about upgrades. Wolverine's healing factor is leagues better now then it was then. Sabretooth gets a strength, speed, durability, and healing upgrade all the time, but Wolverine still beats him most of the time.
Originally posted by long pig
Oh, and he isn't capable of dodging something that moves thousands of times faster than he is especially when it's being shot at him by someone faster than he is. It's kinda silly to say otherwise.
Wolverine has dodged things that move at light speed. Wolverine has also dodged Cyclops' optic blast, since you like to compare Slade's staff to that.
Originally posted by long pig
He has hit Batman with it, even before it's upgrade (600% upgrade).
Batman is human. Wolverine is not. Surprised you didn't ssee that yourself.
Originally posted by long pig
The blaster has shown VERY high-end destructive ability. He's smashed massive chunks of a mountain to dust with it, he's blown away 10 feet thick walls of concrete with it, he's knocked Superman into a wall with it, blasted Wonder Woman many yards away with it.
It's most def Cyclops level.
The staff pales in comparison to the optic blast any way you look at it. Wolverine has gotten right up from the staff blast and he still gets right back up after the optic blast. If he can survive optic blast no problem staff means nothing.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
He can handle a class 100 punch imo if he rolls with it. You have to consider Logan's martial arts training.

There are people in real life who make a living by falling 50 feet to the ground and not getting hurt just by having skill. Wolverine has that skill plus massive, MASSIVE durability and a medium level of speed.

I can handle Wolvie taking a Hulk punch and being ok. But if he takes a Karnak punch, I'd be pissed.

he doesn't "roll" with hulk punches though 🙄 you can't roll with a fist that big.. lol..

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Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think i said they would.. or implied anything close to it... 🤨

I understand that , I was just clarifying that Cykes blast would only sting WW. Her durability isn't that strange , it's just they try and place pseudoscience in with it.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...
Originally posted by jinzin
the first fight.. where he GRABS the claw... I thought that was obvious...

You didn't say in the FIRST fight and we've been talking about the Bloodsport fight.

How was it obvious?

Originally posted by jinzin
wait are you implying wolverine couldn't get out of that on his own? 🤨

I'm not implying anything.

I'm saying what did happen.

long pig Restricted

I think cyk could take out a few more than 6 helicopters

How about 600?

I may be wrong cuz math isn't my thing, but wouldn't it be raised 600 times the potency level if it's given 600x the amount of power it had before?

If I'm wrong, well...shit.

I don't think he made supes feel pain.. wonder woman's a tossup since she has strange durability levels.. a bullet KOed thor.. is a bullet at cyk level?

Superman said "I actually felt that" and was surprised by it. Given Superman's durability, that's pretty good. Wonder Woman has nearly Superman's durability on impact/heat attacks, just not sharp pointy attacks and Slade hurt her with it very badly making her bleed....and that's before the staff was upgraded 600 times.

There are several very convincing staff feats that should be shown, a few of which are up there with Cyke.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
You didn't say in the FIRST fight and we've been talking about the Bloodsport fight.

How was it obvious?

well since that's the ONLY fight were he grabbed the claws and they've only had three fights... you tell me...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I'm not implying anything.

I'm saying what did happen.

and the way you're saying it is leaving implications.. Tm "helped" wolverine? how so? how do you know it didn't hurt what he was doing? how do you know wolverine wasn't just gonna pop his claws behind his head while x tried to strangle him? you don't...

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
He can handle a class 100 punch imo if he rolls with it. You have to consider Logan's martial arts training.
You don't roll with a 100 class punch. Even if you only get hit with a fraction of the power it's still way too much for a human to take.

Wolverine has been hit by 100 tonners many times without any mention to the effect that he rolled with the punch. I think the only time he had to roll with a 100 ton punch was the first time he fought Hulk, before he had a healing factor in Hulk # 181.

Wolverine has been completely blindsided by 100 ton punches many times and been fine. Yeah he could roll with it, but he doesn't need to. He was taking full shots from 85 ton Colossus and Juggernaut by his 10th appearance.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
How about 600?

I may be wrong cuz math isn't my thing, but wouldn't it be raised 600 times the potency level if it's given 600x the amount of power it had before?

If I'm wrong, well...shit.

irmm yeah .. percentages don't worl kike that.. if somethings at 100% effeciency then that's what the staff was producing at it's best before.. at 600% it'd only be 6 times as powerful.. not 600 times.. if it was stated 600 times that's one thing, but if it's 600% well.....

Originally posted by long pig
Superman said "I actually felt that" and was surprised by it.

I still don't think that he felt pain as you just implied.. I think probably the only reason why he DID feel that was because it was more powerful than he gave it credit for....

Originally posted by long pig
Given Superman's durability, that's pretty good. Wonder Woman has nearly Superman's durability on impact/heat attacks, just not sharp pointy attacks and Slade hurt her with it very badly making her bleed....and that's before the staff was upgraded 600 times.
There are several very convincing staff feats that should be shown, a few of which are up there with Cyke.
was she not depowered in that fight to begin with?

long pig Restricted

I dont care if it wasn't a cannon crossover. Both Wolverine and Wilson were written according to their powers at the time. It's still one of the best crossovers between the two companies. Wilson wasn't beating the entire JLA and Wolverine wasn't stomping Lobo, so it works well for me.

You don't have to care, but not caring isn't a defense for being wrong. Non-cannons don't count, ever.
Wolverine has dodged things that move at light speed.

????????????????? That's just...not...right.

Batman is human. Wolverine is not. Surprised you didn't ssee that yourself.

In D.C, Batman isn't written as human. He's written nearly the same as Wolverine. A couple leagues above human. Plus, Slade has hit Kif Flash and Wally with the staff many times.

The staff pales in comparison to the optic blast any way you look at it.

I disagree.
Can you give me a few examples as to why his staff "pales in comparison"?

Originally posted by jinzin
he doesn't "roll" with hulk punches though 🙄 you can't roll with a fist that big.. lol..

Actually, he can roll easier with it. Plus, a fist that big distributes it's force evenly over whatever it hits, making it less effective.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...
Originally posted by jinzin
well since that's the ONLY fight were he grabbed the claws and they've only had three fights... you tell me...

I don't remember him grabbing his claws in that...

Originally posted by jinzin
and the way you're saying it is leaving implications.. Tm "helped" wolverine? how so? how do you know it didn't hurt what he was doing? how do you know wolverine wasn't just gonna pop his claws behind his head while x tried to strangle him? you don't...

It helped Wolverine because X let go after it.

Once X let go, Wolverine got to the other side of the fire, thats when Wolverine relized X was a telepath, and he made himself get into berserk mode.

long pig Restricted

. if it was stated 600 times that's one thing, but if it's 600% well.....

It was stated as 600 times.
😮 Try not to make fun of me for not knowing the difference....ya damn cyber ninja and your asian math powers. 😠

was she not depowered in that fight to begin with?

Not to my knowledge.
She actually fought a Superman-eaque character and won not even two issues later I believe.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
You don't have to care, but not caring isn't a defense for being wrong. Non-cannons don't count, ever.

????????????????? That's just...not...right.

In D.C, Batman isn't written as human. He's written nearly the same as Wolverine. A couple leagues above human. Plus, Slade has hit Kif Flash and Wally with the staff many times.

I disagree.
Can you give me a few examples as to why his staff "pales in comparison"?

Actually, he can roll easier with it. Plus, a fist that big distributes it's force evenly over whatever it hits, making it less effective.


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he can't roll with this...

long pig Restricted

I think Wolverine can beat Spiderman because of Spiderman's shitty durability and his overall weak fighting skill.

Spiderman doesn't have very effective long range attacks and if it came up-close, he'd lose in a few seconds.

Peter's only hope is to just run....seriously.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
It was stated as 600 times.
😮 Try not to make fun of me for not knowing the difference....ya damn cyber ninja and your asian math powers. 😠

Not to my knowledge.
She actually fought a Superman-eaque character and won not even two issues later I believe.

😂

i seem to recall draco saying she was having problems lifting cars at that point.. I'd say that's pretty seriously depowered.

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
You don't have to care, but not caring isn't a defense for being wrong. Non-cannons don't count, ever.
Yet everything in the issue that pertained to those characters was accurate, therefor I will always use it, especially considering it's the only fight they've had. What better example for a VS debate than a well written comic where the VS battle actually happened? There is none.
Originally posted by long pig
????????????????? That's just...not...right.
Yet he does it all the time. With relative ease.
Originally posted by long pig
In D.C, Batman isn't written as human. He's written nearly the same as Wolverine. A couple leagues above human. Plus, Slade has hit Kif Flash and Wally with the staff many times.
DC Batman should never be anywhere near Wolverine. That is rediculous and one of my biggest problems with Batman. The guy is human. He shouldn't do anything that an Olympic athelete can't do. Which is why I prefer pre-crisis Bats. Batman shouldn't even be as strong as an olympic weight lifter, especially considering how flexible and agile he is.
Originally posted by long pig
I disagree.
Can you give me a few examples as to why his staff "pales in comparison"?
Uh...go read some X-Men. You'll find a perfect example of why optic blast is better every three issues. If I explained it we'd be here all day.
Originally posted by long pig
Actually, he can roll easier with it. Plus, a fist that big distributes it's force evenly over whatever it hits, making it less effective.
I dont care how big the Hulk's fist is. He's still punching with 100 ton + power.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
I don't remember him grabbing his claws in that...

he did.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
It helped Wolverine because X let go after it.
it was eitehr that or wolverine was gonna poke him in the brain with admantium claws...

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Once X let go, Wolverine got to the other side of the fire, thats when Wolverine relized X was a telepath, and he made himself get into berserk mode.
okay that's true... still i'm not sure if that can be so much counted as TM helping wolverine... it was more like wolverine peicing together something he already had good evidecen of.. more of a lucky break.. but still TM helping wolverine? i don't think so.

Skeets Senior Member

Originally posted by long pig
I think Wolverine can beat Spiderman because of Spiderman's shitty durability and his overall weak fighting skill.

Spiderman doesn't have very effective long range attacks and if it came up-close, he'd lose in a few seconds.

Peter's only hope is to just run....seriously.


Wow!!! you sell out.......mhm

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Originally posted by riceroost
Yet he does it all the time. With relative ease.

He doesn't do it ALL the time....

When has he done it?

I'm sure you can only give a handfull of examples.

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
He doesn't do it ALL the time....

When has he done it?

I'm sure you can only give a handfull of examples.

More than a handful. Not going to do a list, but he's dodged lasers from many people at the same time in the Marvel Team-up with Spidey, he's dodged Havok, he's dodged Cyclops without looking and saving Storm at the same time, he's dodged living lightning, he's dodged lasers in Japan, while saving Rogue at the same time.

Too many times to discount it.

ST0RM SHAD0W ...

Lasers aren't a big deal many street levelers have dodged lasers.

Hes also been hit by Cyke many times well looking.

Then that leaves the Living lightning thing as really the only credible time.