The Exile, Darth Revan , Darth Malak vs ROTS Anakin, NJO luke, Yoda

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The main problem lies in your judgement abilities.

KOTOR Stories are mainly focused on Revan.

- KOTOR I is fully based on adventures of Revan.

- KOTOR II has a different story but synchronizes very well with Revan's adventures. Revan has been heavily discussed in this game. Revan's Jedi Master is an important character in this game and she prepares the Jedi Exile for once again aiding Revan in his cause. Jedi Exile in the end of K2 goes out to search for Revan to support him in his cause.

So KOTOR Stories are focused on adventures of Revan. Revan is the ultimate hero of KOTOR Age.

Kotor 2 is about the Exile and to a lesser extent Kreia. Revan is only mentioned because of continuity, Kotor 3 will again have another hero that will reference the Exile and Revan.

Lastly, any backstory on Revan in Kotor 2 is optional and non-vital to the Kotor 2 narrative i.e. you can choose to forego learning about Revan from Kreia or anyone else.

Again, know your facts. Kotor 1 was a self-contained story, it was written without a sequel in mind. Kotor 2 - because it wasn't planned during the creation of Kotor 1 - had to create a general feeling of continuity, while itself remaining a self-contained story about the Jedi Exile.

So your fanboyish perspective though not entirely wrong, doesn't in any way represent the actual - and that is: Kotor is more than a story about Revan, Kotor 2 should have proved that.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
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The thing is all potential candidates pale in comparison to Revan cause he's sort of a Gary Sue, whatever little special power they have Revan could potentially do it better cause of his force connection, what ever little knowledge they have that looks exclusive to them Revan already has. Revan is already shown to be stronger then Kreia, he was able to combat the dark side on Malachor while Kreia was broken by it. [/B]

That's according to your biased point of view. Revan eclipses them all according to you, according to me, he's just another one of the great Jedi/Sith of the era, because that's what he is. He's not representative of some all-knowing, all-powerful Jedi/Sith and I know this because, he isn't.

I know this because he's not been represented as such and frankly I find that your assumptions are baseless, baseless because they are based on pure supposition and perhaps some level of in universe hyperbole.

So spare me the 'he could do it better', 'he was already claimed to be stronger (where?)', 'he already possessed that knowledge (when?)'.

Learn to separate insubstantial descriptives and shallow attribute allocations from relevant character portrayals. Based on the relevant character portrayals, Revan is nothing like you describe him to be, a guy who's crowning achievement as of now was discovering the Star Forge and stopping his weaker former apprentice.

A character is only as great as the challenges he faces and based on these, Revan might be called great but far from uber. Your fanaticism for Revan an your clear incapability to separate that fanaticism from your arguments, disqualifies you from making a balanced assessment of Revan in comparison to his peers in this era.

Originally posted by Allankles
That's according to your biased point of view. Revan eclipses them all according to you, according to me, he's just another one of the great Jedi/Sith of the era, because that's what he is. He's not representative of some all-knowing, all-powerful Jedi/Sith and I know this because, he isn't.

I know this because he's not been represented as such and frankly I find that your assumptions are baseless, baseless because they are based on pure supposition and perhaps some level of in universe hyperbole.

Learn to separate insubstantial descriptives and shallow attribute allocations from relevant character portrayals. Based on the relevant character portrayals, Revan is nothing like you describe him to be, a guy who's crowning achievement as of now was discovering the Star Forge and stopping his weaker former apprentice.

A character is only as great as the challenges he faces and based on these, Revan might be called great but far from uber. Your fanaticism for Revan an your clear incapability to separate that fanaticism from your arguments, disqualifies you from making a balanced assessment of Revan in comparison to his peers in this era. [/B]

Originally posted by Allankles
That's according to your biased point of view. Revan eclipses them all according to you, according to me, he's just another one of the great Jedi/Sith of the era, because that's what he is. He's not representative of some all-knowing, all-powerful Jedi/Sith and I know this because, he isn't.

I know this because he's not been represented as such and frankly I find that your assumptions are baseless, baseless because they are based on pure supposition and perhaps some level of in universe hyperbole.

So spare me the 'he could do it better', 'he was already claimed to be stronger (where?)', 'he already possessed that knowledge (when?)'.

Learn to separate insubstantial descriptives and shallow attribute allocations from relevant character portrayals. Based on the relevant character portrayals, Revan is nothing like you describe him to be, a guy who's crowning achievement as of now was discovering the Star Forge and stopping his weaker former apprentice.

A character is only as great as the challenges he faces and based on these, Revan might be called great but far from uber. Your fanaticism for Revan an your clear incapability to separate that fanaticism from your arguments, disqualifies you from making a balanced assessment of Revan in comparison to his peers in this era.

Greater Intelligence:

Revan is more intelligent then Traya, Sion or Nihilus.

He is the brain-child behind the defeat of Mandalorian Forces. The rest followed his orders. Canderous has provided enough evidence of this.

Greater Sith Knowledge:

He explored the world of Korriban and located the Tombs of the Ancients and studied all their secrets. He then established a Sith Academy on Korriban near the Tombs and started training people in the ways of the Sith.

He also went in to the world of Malachor V and studied all its secrets.

Do you know that what did Bane said about Revan's Holocron? He said this: "Revan's Sith knowledge surpassed the entirety of Sith knowledge found in the Sith Archives of entire Korriban planet.". And you should note that Sith Archives in Korriban contained lots of secrets of Ancient Sith.

Greater Force Mastery:

Since Revan gained so much Sith knowledge, it also increased his Force Mastery. Here are a few things that back my case:

- Revan destroyed an entire army of Black Rakatans with the Force and this heavily crippled the ability of Black Rakatans to further attack Elder Rakatans. And he also gained the respect of "The One" (who feared no one). How many armies have Traya or Sion smashed by themselves?

- He then dominated the minds of the remaining Rakatans along with The One and forced the Basic language in to their minds to interrogate them about the Ancient Rakatan Temple without killing those Rakatans. Jacen tried this feat with one girl and he failed.

- I have now confirmed from "Drew K" (a famous Star Wars author) that Revan could lift and move heavy Objects with the Force. Drew said that Revan could lift that small space-craft with the Force that Yoda lifted in ESB movie. This proves that Revan's TK abilities were also very good.

- Traya once said this about Revan: "Revan was power. Looking in to his eyes was like staring to the heart of the Force." Guess what? She was correct.

- Revan was also a master practitioner of Force Lightning. He could generate Force Lightning Storms by himself.

- Master Dorak said this about Revan: "The Force flows through you like in no other student we have ever seen before."

NOTE: Do you know that what Dorak said about Jedi Exile when he sensed her power? He said that Exile was like an average Jedi in case of strength in the Force.

- Revan was so strong that he was not killed by the direct hit of a large Turbo-Laser fire from the Leviathan Cruiser that could destroy a tall Skyscraper in a single hit.

- Even Revan's mind wipe by an entire Jedi Council was unsuccessful because he started regaining the memories of his past slowly and slowly through powerful visions. Such strong was his connection with the Force.

Now you were saying?

That's according to your biased point of view. Revan eclipses them all according to you, according to me, he's just another one of the great Jedi/Sith of the era, because that's what he is. He's not representative of some all-knowing, all-powerful Jedi/Sith and I know this because, he isn't.

No thats according to logical deduction, no one in the era has as more of anything them Revan be it force connection, knowledge, powers so on and so forth, Revan is representative of the "All powerful Jedi/Sith" simply based on the info of him were given, the comparisons of power (he's compared to Naga Sadow and Exar Kun) and his given stance on both the Jedi and Sith and his affiliation with the force.

I know this because he's not been represented as such and frankly I find that your assumptions are baseless, baseless because they are based on pure supposition and perhaps some level of in universe hyperbole.

Assumptions based on logic=logical deduction. So while to you they might seem baseless(because it credits Revan), they are 100% admissable.

So spare me the 'he could do it better', 'he was already claimed to be stronger (where?)', 'he already possessed that knowledge (when?)'.

Did I not just show you? The Chronicles show a Jedi Revan being unaffected by Malachor V, Jedi Master Kreia comes along and is broken by the planet.

Logically if Revan has a higher force connection then those who are performing a feat his will be greater because he can draw upon more of the force. Basic Star Wars 101.

The Chronicles state that Revan plundered the underground cities of Malachor V before Kreia even knew it existed. After the Mass Shadow Generator hits the planet all thats left is ONE academy. Thus Revan had more knowledge then the Sith boosting themselves from Malachor V in KOTOR 2.

I've already posted this stuff, just cause you ignore isn't my fault.

Learn to separate insubstantial descriptives and shallow attribute allocations from relevant character portrayals. Based on the relevant character portrayals, Revan is nothing like you describe him to be, a guy who's crowning achievement as of now was discovering the Star Forge and stopping his weaker former apprentice.

Again as Sexy said when ever Revan does anything substantial its "shallow" "irrelevant" "hyperbole" or "out of proportion" you sound like an idiot.

A character is only as great as the challenges he faces and based on these, Revan might be called great but far from uber.
Your fanaticism for Revan an your clear incapability to separate that fanaticism from your arguments, disqualifies you from making a balanced assessment of Revan in comparison to his peers in this era.

Again you sound like an idiot, you spew all this Anti Revan crap, you went on and on about how Revan sucks in the "Top 10" topic on the lit forums, and yet I can't debate objectively? You are hardly an objective debater, your points started as "Revans nothing special blahblahblah" and know they've changed to "Yeah he was great but not uber" because you keep getting proven wrong time and time again. You prove up ZERO evidence to support your claims that he even has equals and hide behind irrelevant excuses. You've yet to successfully refute that Revans ripping of the Rataka dialect was not impressive. You can't make baseless assertions without backing them up with evidence, basic debating. Thus you look like an idiot who's simply spewing crap.

I'm a "fanatic" because I go by logical deductions, that fly right over your head because as said your blinded by "I hate Revan."
Learn to debate, come back when you can form an argument that doesn't revolve around "I don't like this character therefore he sucks" In all your just posting just to post.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is how Revan is greater then your beloved K2 Characters!

[b]Greater Intelligence:

Revan is more intelligent then Traya, Sion or Nihilus.

He is the brain-child behind the defeat of Mandalorian Forces. The rest followed his orders. Canderous has provided enough evidence of this.[/B]

So? Since when has intelligence become synonymous with greatness? You really need to chill out with your Revan worship.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[b]Greater Sith Knowledge:

He explored the world of Korriban and located the Tombs of the Ancients and studied all their secrets. He then established a Sith Academy on Korriban near the Tombs and started training people in the ways of the Sith.

He also went in to the world of Malachor V and studied all its secrets.

Do you know that what did Bane said about Revan's Holocron? He said this: "Revan's Sith knowledge surpassed the entirety of Sith knowledge found in the Sith Archives of entire Korriban planet.". And you should note that Sith Archives in Korriban contained lots of secrets of Ancient Sith..[/B]

And yet Kreia spent decades as a Jedi historian studying the Sith Arts even before she gleamed Malachor's secrets. As far as knowledge is concerned, given her decades more worth of study as a chronicler, I'd say she possesed a greater knowledge pf the force than Revan. Revan himself echoed her teachings in his actions.

It should also be noted that much of Korriban's artifacts were stolen by scavengers and wannabees during the Kotor period (Kotor 2 source). So, it's hardly surprising that Bane - and shall we say - he's largely pathetic band of Sith (blame the authors portrayals) would find Revan's knowledge base immense as compared to their own.

The whole of POD portrays these Sith as pathetic, so how does this come to be a marker for Revan's knowledge as compared to the Jedi/Sith of his era? He wasn't the only one that studied the holocrons on Malachor and Korriban.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[b]Greater Force Mastery:

Since Revan gained so much Sith knowledge, it also increased his Force Mastery. Here are a few things that back my case:

- Revan destroyed an entire army of Black Rakatans with the Force and this heavily crippled the ability of Black Rakatans to further attack Elder Rakatans. And he also gained the respect of "The One" (who feared no one). How many armies have Traya or Sion smashed by themselves?

- He then dominated the minds of the remaining Rakatans along with The One and forced the Basic language in to their minds to interrogate them about the Ancient Rakatan Temple without killing those Rakatans. Jacen tried this feat with one girl and he failed.[/B]

The black Rakata though dangerous - relatively speaking - were at the end of the day nothing but primitive and non-force sensitive remnants of a once great civilization. And Revan didn't destroy any army of Rakata's they were a small group of Rakata guards that attacked Revan and Malak after their ship landed on Lehon.

It was hardly an impressive feat only a spectacle as a beam of light killed a few Black Rakata.

Your description of the event is not only exxagerated but wrong. Revan didn't even defeat the entire Rakata party that attacked him, many submitted to Revan and Malak and instead lead him to their leader. And the One was nothing more than a leader of primitives, having very little knowledge of the technological might of the old Rakatan empire.

So yeah Nihilus and Kreia could easily match Revan's exploits in this case.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

- I have now confirmed from "Drew K" (a famous Star Wars author) that Revan could lift and move heavy Objects with the Force. Drew said that Revan could lift that small space-craft with the Force that Yoda lifted in ESB movie. This proves that Revan's TK abilities were also very good.

Drew K rights this stuff, stop arguing like Revan is some historical real-life character. And so what about the TK? Jaden Korr hurled an impressively large boulder with his TK like it was dust ball in a breeze. And being able to do it isn't the same as doing it. A lot of Kotor elites could replicate each others feats, but such arguments are pointless.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

- Traya once said this about Revan: "Revan was power. Looking in to his eyes was like staring to the heart of the Force." Guess what? She was correct.

- Revan was also a master practitioner of Force Lightning. He could generate Force Lightning Storms by himself.

Guess what? It doesn't prove anything, it tells us Revan was powerful but nothing more, unless you want to put more relevance into that quote than is warranted. It tells us something bout Revan but doesn't tell us anything about Revan in comparison to the other Kotor elites. And I hope you're not interpreting the quote literally?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

- Master Dorak said this about Revan: "The Force flows through you like in no other student we have ever seen before."

NOTE: Do you know that what Dorak said about Jedi Exile when he sensed her power? He said that Exile was like an average Jedi in case of strength in the Force.

- Revan was so strong that he was not killed by the direct hit of a large Turbo-Laser fire from the Leviathan Cruiser that could destroy a tall Skyscraper in a single hit.

- Even Revan's mind wipe by an entire Jedi Council was unsuccessful because he started regaining the memories of his past slowly and slowly through powerful visions. Such strong was his connection with the Force.

Now you were saying?

And Revan wasn't hit directly by the turbo laser fire (if he had we would have burned and disintergrated), he was wounded by the concussive effect of the blast as it tore through the bridge's defenses. It should walso be noted that Revan would have died on the brige of his ship had Bastilla not rescued him. Get your facts straight.

It wasn't Dorak that said that about the Exile, it was Vrook Lamar. And I find it odd that you put so much importance on a reference about the Exile before Kotor 2 and even before the Mando wars. Certainly, even by your narrow minded reasoning, the Exile in Kotor 2 is more than just an average Jedi? The force bonding gift and the uncommon force connection both make the Exile unique, you have to admit. Plus all the things he did to help the Republic, the Jedi and the galaxy survive.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
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Again as Sexy said when ever Revan does anything substantial its "shallow" "irrelevant" "hyperbole" or "out of proportion" you sound like an idiot.

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That's because as a fanatic, you don't know how to seperate the relevant feats and accomplishments from the hyperbole and irrelevant descriptives and as such don't identify the descriptions and bits of info that I acknowledge as such.

He was so powerful he farted dust storms. So? What's the context i.e. who is he fighting? what is he encountering as a challenge?

He was such a military genius he turned the tide of the war? Where the specifics? It's one thing for an author to credit a character for winning an entire war, it's totally another thing to make that war significant enough for it to represent more than just a shallow backstory.

Case in point, how Kotor 2 describes the impact of the Mando Wars on the Exile PC as compared to how Kotor 1 handles the whole event in relation to Revan the PC.

In one case the character (the Exile) lives and breathes through the after effects of his actions in that war (making the event significant beyond just a back story); while in the other case the character (Revan) is made oblivious to the effects his actions had on the present by virtue of the plot and thereby whatever it is the Mando Wars could be to his character, never evolves beyond the backstory that quite frankly could be delivered in one or two lines of NPC dialogue (Which it is).

So spare me the hater posts, Revan outside of the cliched hero he was in Kotor 1 is too shallow a character at the moment for me to believe that any of his accomplishments are more significant that what the other elites have done.

In the the Mando Wars, he's nothing but the title given to central figure of a Kotor 1 backstory. In Kotor 1 he's one of two heores who altered the events in galaxy-wide conflicts (the other being the Exile). After Kotor 1 he's a holocron instructing Bane, so why all the hype? He's a great hero, most certainly a contender for the greatest of his era, when has he ever been more than this?

Originally posted by Allankles
So? Since when has intelligence become synonymous with greatness? You really need to chill out with your Revan worship.

A highly intelligent person can make more smart decisions and he/she will be more successful because of those smart decisions. And success determines greatness. See the logic here?

Originally posted by Allankles
And yet Kreia spent decades as a Jedi historian studying the Sith Arts even before she gleamed Malachor's secrets. As far as knowledge is concerned, given her decades more worth of study as a chronicler, I'd say she possesed a greater knowledge pf the force than Revan. Revan himself echoed her teachings in his actions.

Being a Jedi Historian does not makes you uber. So your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by Allankles
It should also be noted that much of Korriban's artifacts were stolen by scavengers and wannabees during the Kotor period (Kotor 2 source). So, it's hardly surprising that Bane - and shall we say - he's largely pathetic band of Sith (blame the authors portrayals) would find Revan's knowledge base immense as compared to their own.

Those Tombs were looted after the Korriban's Sith Academy collapsed. And Revan was among those looters.

But before the events of KOTOR, Revan visited Korriban and discovered those tombs and explored them and studied the secrets of the ancients. This happened several years before the events of KOTOR II.

An advice: Correct your knowledge.

Originally posted by Allankles
The whole of POD portrays these Sith as pathetic, so how does this come to be a marker for Revan's knowledge as compared to the Jedi/Sith of his era? He wasn't the only one that studied the holocrons on Malachor and Korriban.

And your forgot that Korriban planet consisted of large numbers of Sith Archives as confirmed from POD. Guess what? Restoration work did happened after the events of KOTOR II.

Originally posted by Allankles
The black Rakata though dangerous - relatively speaking - were at the end of the day nothing but primitive and non-force sensitive remnants of a once great civilization. And Revan didn't destroy any army of Rakata's they were a small group of Rakata guards that attacked Revan and Malak after their ship landed on Lehon.

And Revan did destroyed an entire army of Black Rakatans. This happened near the Ancient Rakatan Temple. The Loremaster admits that an entire Rakatan army perished due to a Force attack.

Originally posted by Allankles
It was hardly an impressive feat only a spectacle as a beam of light killed a few Black Rakata.

There were several scouting parties and Revan destroyed them all.

Originally posted by Allankles
Your description of the event is not only exxagerated but wrong. Revan didn't even defeat the entire Rakata party that attacked him, many submitted to Revan and Malak and instead lead him to their leader. And the One was nothing more than a leader of primitives, having very little knowledge of the technological might of the old Rakatan empire.

Originally posted by Allankles
So yeah Nihilus and Kreia could easily match Revan's exploits in this case.

Originally posted by Allankles
Drew K rights this stuff, stop arguing like Revan is some historical real-life character. And so what about the TK? Jaden Korr hurled an impressively large boulder with his TK like it was dust ball in a breeze. And being able to do it isn't the same as doing it. A lot of Kotor elites could replicate each others feats, but such arguments are pointless.

Guess what? His views are credible and much greater then yours.

Originally posted by Allankles
Guess what? It doesn't prove anything, it tells us Revan was powerful but nothing more, unless you want to put more relevance into that quote than is warranted. It tells us something bout Revan but doesn't tell us anything about Revan in comparison to the other Kotor elites. And I hope you're not interpreting the quote literally?

Originally posted by Allankles
And Revan wasn't hit directly by the turbo laser fire (if he had we would have burned and disintergrated), he was wounded by the concussive effect of the blast as it tore through the bridge's defenses. It should walso be noted that Revan would have died on the brige of his ship had Bastilla not rescued him. Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Allankles
It wasn't Dorak that said that about the Exile, it was Vrook Lamar. And I find it odd that you put so much importance on a reference about the Exile before Kotor 2 and even before the Mando wars. Certainly, even by your narrow minded reasoning, the Exile in Kotor 2 is more than just an average Jedi? The force bonding gift and the uncommon force connection both make the Exile unique, you have to admit. Plus all the things he did to help the Republic, the Jedi and the galaxy survive. [/B]

And Revan also knew the art of Force Bonding.

Wow retard can't figure out that were not debating accomplishments, but actual POWER.

And just so you know genius...

Accomplishments =/= Power

No one in the KOTOR era comes close to Revans POWER. None of the feats displayed match Revans POWER (bar Nihlius), I really don't give a shit about accomplishments as they don't define power, feats, quotes and logical deduction do. This is a VS forum, were not here to discuss how "deep" a character Revan is.

You sound like an idiot, you can't form an argument so you resort to calling the opposition a "fanboy" and start debating character depth.

I've discussed all this points, and I'm not talking about character depth, I'm talking about Revan's appearances in fiction as a relevant character. In Kotor 1 (the only time he's the protagonist of a plot) his biggest power feat was beating hs weaker apprentice.

I would confidently say there's nothing Revan has done to distinguish himself as being the most powerful of his era. If you think blasting Rakata with a force storm is impressive, Nihilus killed an entire planet.

If you think Malak had great mastery of the force, Kreia killed three of the most senior Jedi Masters with the force without so much as getting into a fight. If you think Revan surviving Malak's deception with his life (albeit with Bastila's help) is impressive Sion survived physical death.

If you think Revan's feats are impressive, the Exile killed Sith of the caliber of Nihilus and Traya. There's no proof that Revan was the most powerful of his era.

In short (by my less biased assessment) Revan isn't definitively the most powerful of his era, unless your saying Drew K and Styles determine the power level of all the characters in Kotor. It's not like I'm considering Bastila as a candidate here. Be reasonable.

SW Legend, you seem to have major problems with reading statements correctly.

I was talking about the amount of knowledge the Sith in Bane's time would have had on Korriban as a result of the looting and not to mention constant crisis involving Jedi and Sith through the centuries seperating the Kotor era and Bane's era.

The laser fire didn't hit Revan directly, if you had any clue as to what a turbo laser could do to single organic target the size of Revan, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The turbo laser caused the consoles and electrical devices within the bridge to short out and explode, resulting in concussive pulses (electro magnetic etc) to spread out across the front of the bridge, wounding Revan in the process.

If the turbo laser had hit Revan directly, his body would have been completely destroyed. Are you really this clueless?

And Drew K makes this stuff up, he created the Revan character, and most authors are the biggest fanboys of their characters (naturally). Besides, those are unofficial out-of universe remarks and are are quite irrelevant by themselves (so what about TK?). This shows a lack of focus in your arguments.

Originally posted by Allankles
I've discussed all this points, and I'm not talking about character depth, I'm talking about Revan's appearances in fiction as a relevant character. In Kotor 1 (the only time he's the protagonist of a plot) his biggest power feat was beating hs weaker apprentice.

Malak's power was enhanced by the Star Forge itself. The presence of Dark Side was very strong on the Star Forge. And Revan had no such boost because he was not a Dark Sider.

Then Malak had captured and placed several Jedi in stasis form and he drained them to replenish his energies during his fight with Revan. This was an additional advantage he held over Revan.

in KOTOR II, handmaiden described the fight between Revan and Malak as being Epic and a long one.

It was a big feat after carefully examining all these facts.

Originally posted by Allankles
I would confidently say there's nothing Revan has done to distinguish himself as being the most powerful of his era. If you think blasting Rakata with a force storm is impressive, Nihilus killed an entire planet.

Originally posted by Allankles
If you think Malak had great mastery of the force, Kreia killed three of the most senior Jedi Masters with the force without so much as getting into a fight. If you think Revan surviving Malak's deception with his life (albeit with Bastila's help) is impressive Sion survived physical death.

Revan's brain was almost destroyed and yet he lived. Sion's brain was not almost destroyed.

Originally posted by Allankles
If you think Revan's feats are impressive, the Exile killed Sith of the caliber of Nihilus and Traya. There's no proof that Revan was the most powerful of his era.

Master Vrook confirmed that Revan was far more powerful in the Force then Jedi Exile. Sorry! your point fails.

Originally posted by Allankles
In short (by my less biased assessment) Revan isn't definitively the most powerful of his era, unless your saying Drew K and Styles determine the power level of all the characters in Kotor. It's not like I'm considering Bastila as a candidate here. Be reasonable.

And "Drew K" created KOTOR. He created Revan and Malak and he can define their powers. You cannot argue on his views.

Drew is not an ordinary fan like us. He is among the famous Star Wars Authors and he knows more about Star Wars then any person in this forum.

I would confidently say there's nothing Revan has done to distinguish himself as being the most powerful of his era. If you think blasting Rakata with a force storm is impressive, Nihilus killed an entire planet.

Didn't I say barring Nihlius? Because of his one ability, it allows him to be very very powerful but all around he is a joke, if anyone manages too survive his little drain Nihlius is dead.

If you think Malak had great mastery of the force, Kreia killed three of the most senior Jedi Masters with the force without so much as getting into a fight.

And that has what to dow with Revan? Malak did the same feat to the Jedi he was holding on the Star Forge, then we have as I said any power Kreia has that she attained from Malachor Revan logical has the same since he:

A. Raided Malachor first

B. The planets underground cities were all full of knowledge and artifacts

C. Kreia only has one raided Academy to work off of.

Revans knowledge base > Kreia.

If you think Revan surviving Malak's deception with his life (albeit with Bastila's help) is impressive Sion survived physical death.

So, had Revan trained exclusively in "Pain" I'm sure he's be able to mimic Sion. Not like you have a point anyways since Sion states at the start of the duel with the Exile that he is weaker then Revan.

If you think Revan's feats are impressive, the Exile killed Sith of the caliber of Nihilus and Traya. There's no proof that Revan was the most powerful of his era.

Big whoop the Exile killed Nihlius with help from all sides, and ebat Kreia who's weaker then Revan. We can look at what future era's think of the KOTOR period, Revan is the ONLY name mentioned from the KOTOR era as powerful in POD, Revan is mentioned along with Exar Kun (the most powerful being in the TOTJ era) and Naga Sadow who feat wise also appears to be the most powerful. That alone is enough.

In short (by my less biased assessment) Revan isn't definitively the most powerful of his era, unless your saying Drew K and Styles determine the power level of all the characters in Kotor. It's not like I'm considering Bastila as a candidate here. Be reasonable.

Your arguments have been beaten time and time again in this topic, and again you sound like a stubborn kid who can't admit he's wrong. Calling people "fanatical" doesn't help your point.

Originally posted by Allankles
I was talking about the amount of knowledge the Sith in Bane's time would have had as a result of the looting and not to mention constant crisis involving Jedi and Sith through the centuries seperating the Kotor era and Bane's era.

Bane had access to many Sith Archives and holocrons in Korriban and yet Revan's knowledge was greater.

Originally posted by Allankles
SW Legend, you seem to have major problems with reading statements correctly.

I was talking about the amount of knowledge the Sith in Bane's time would have had on Korriban as a result of the looting and not to mention constant crisis involving Jedi and Sith through the centuries seperating the Kotor era and Bane's era.

The laser fire didn't hit Revan directly, if you had any clue as to what a turbo laser could do to single organic target the size of Revan, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The turbo laser caused the consoles and electrical devices within the bridge to short out and explode, resulting in concussive pulses (electro magnetic etc) to spread out across the front of the bridge, wounding Revan in the process.

If the turbo laser had hit Revan directly, his body would have been completely destroyed. Are you really this clueless?

And Drew K makes this stuff up, he created the Revan character, and most authors are the biggest fanboys of their characters (naturally). Besides, those are unofficial out-of universe remarks and are are quite irrelevant by themselves (so what about TK?). This shows a lack of focus in your arguments.

And Vrook never commented on Revan's force abilities, he never compared the two Jedi.

Allankles! you are the biggest idiot I have seen in this forum. You constantly argue against canon materials and even argue against the views of Star Wars authors. You are not worthy for debate on Star Wars related subjects.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Didn't I say barring Nihlius? Because of his one ability, it allows him to be very very powerful but all around he is a joke, if anyone manages too survive his little drain Nihlius is dead.

And that has what to dow with Revan? Malak did the same feat to the Jedi he was holding on the Star Forge, then we have as I said any power Kreia has that she attained from Malachor Revan logical has the same since he:

A. Raided Malachor first

B. The planets underground cities were all full of knowledge and artifacts

C. Kreia only has one raided Academy to work off of.

Revans knowledge base > Kreia.

So, had Revan trained exclusively in "Pain" I'm sure he's be able to mimic Sion. Not like you have a point anyways since Sion states at the start of the duel with the Exile that he is weaker then Revan.

Big whoop the Exile killed Nihlius with help from all sides, and ebat Kreia who's weaker then Revan. We can look at what future era's think of the KOTOR period, Revan is the ONLY name mentioned from the KOTOR era as powerful in POD, Revan is mentioned along with Exar Kun (the most powerful being in the TOTJ era) and Naga Sadow who feat wise also appears to be the most powerful. That alone is enough.

What you fail to get YOU ARE NOT LESS BIASED. Get that through your skull and if you can read your post and legitimately say that you're not biased your in denial.

Your arguments have been beaten time and time again in this topic, and again you sound like a stubborn kid who can't admit he's wrong. Calling people "fanatical" doesn't help your point.

Wow. You've positively disected my arguments. Again I'll ask, when did Drew K and Styles begin determining the power levels of Kotor elites? There' s no definitive proof that Revan is the most powerful of his time i.e. he could be but then again he might not.

I really don't care to make a judgement on who is the most powerful, it's a very open era as opposed to the NJO (which is virtually all about the Skywalkers), the Kotor era has no such restraints.

Wow. You've positively disected my arguments. Again I'll ask, when did Drew K and Styles begin determining the power levels of Kotor elites? There' s no definitive proof that Revan is the most powerful of his time i.e. he could be but then again he might not.

Logic determines the KOTOR elite, logic says Revan is the strongest, and if Drew put " Revan was the strongest being in till his death. " In a novel it would be fact.

You keep stumbling in and out of neutrality to save face, because your blatant hate, and because you have no argument what-so-ever.

I really don't care to make a judgement on who is the most

powerful

You already did.

it's a very open era as opposed to the NJO (whic is virtually all about the Skywalkers), the Kotor era has no such restraints.

So what, from what we've seen Revan is the strongest. It would be a logical fallacy to say:

"Oh well he's not the best cause there must be someone better, simply cause I hate Revan."

Till we are given evidence otherwise Revan is the strongest. Thats how logical debating works

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Allankles! you are the biggest idiot I have seen in this forum. You constantly argue against canon materials and even argue against the views of Star Wars authors. You are not worthy for debate on Star Wars related subjects.

Thank you, I've also appreciated your largely intelligent rebuttals. Your counterarguments demonstrated the reasoning of a very deep an analytical mind, I'm only sorry we didn't discuss the details of Drew K's discoveries on Revan's awesome TK.

Originally posted by Allankles
SW Legend, you seem to have major problems with reading statements correctly.

Originally posted by Allankles
I was talking about the amount of knowledge the Sith in Bane's time would have had on Korriban as a result of the looting and not to mention constant crisis involving Jedi and Sith through the centuries seperating the Kotor era and Bane's era.

Looting only happened on Korriban during the events of KOTOR. But restoration work began soon after the events of KOTOR II or else all the Sith Archives and Holocrons would have been completely lost in Bane's time.

Originally posted by Allankles
The laser fire didn't hit Revan directly, if you had any clue as to what a turbo laser could do to single organic target the size of Revan, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The turbo laser caused the consoles and electrical devices within the bridge to short out and explode, resulting in concussive pulses (electro magnetic etc) to spread out across the front of the bridge, wounding Revan in the process.

Originally posted by Allankles
If the turbo laser had hit Revan directly, his body would have been completely destroyed. Are you really this clueless?

Originally posted by Allankles
And Drew K makes this stuff up, he created the Revan character, and most authors are the biggest fanboys of their characters (naturally). Besides, those are unofficial out-of universe remarks and are are quite irrelevant by themselves (so what about TK?). This shows a lack of focus in your arguments.

People ask questions from Star Wars authors for a reason. Otherwise, canon materials could be easily rejected.

Originally posted by Allankles
And Vrook never commented on Revan's force abilities, he never compared the two Jedi.