Kain VS Dante

Started by Nikkolas9 pages

QUOTE] Slashed throguh the stomach, He was stabbed several times, first during the battle then during the cinematics several times and that was his weakest incarnation.[/QUOTE]

Yes...because the sword he was stabbed with is anywhere nearly as powerful as the Soul Reaver which would, upon impaling him, devour his soul...right.

Ok, first of all mist is not an offensive move, unless you count steath kills, and it is slow, defaince is a very slow game. his mist side step is no faster than links sidestep in zelda. and he's not indestructable, in blood omen you can get hit while in mist form.

Mist form in Blood Omen is very different from Mist form in the other games. And it can be used as an offensive move if he wanted to. Dante goes to hit him, go Mist and dodge and get behind him. It’s very sensible.

You can't compare the game mechanics of BO and use it in this fight, especially considering all of kains instant kill moves can only perfrom there function against a low tier character and not a boss, how many times did it take him to kill the seraphim lord with immolate?

It’s Sarafan, genius. And that’s game mechanics. He can’t kill bosses because that be incredibly lame. With these restrictions gone, there is no reason it wouldn’t work on others.

Mist form isn't that different from defaince and Blood omen 2, the only difference I can think of is that you have a side step and can go thorugh cages in defaince, while in BO 2 it's used for stealth kills. not much of a big difference.

There is a massive difference. BO2 Mist Form is slow and stupid and hardly useful as well as only capable of being used when actually surrounded by Mist.

The only reason why the soul reaver is so powerful is because it has a variety of functions, like using artifacts to time travel or absorbing elemental properties, which doesn't even use that well. that sword of sparda doesn't really have much showings. and what trouble are you talking about, dante beat vergils arse despite not having the sword of sparda, he doesn't need it.

That icon is very childish but I suppose it represents you well.

So, your argument why it’s better is that it’s cheap with add-ons? That’s pretty pathetic. Sorry to tell you, but the Soul Reaver is better no matter how you denounce it. Your flagrant bias does not determine which sword is better. The facts do and the Soul Reaver is a cosmic-level weapon with immense power.

No, you don't instanlty press the buttons, you have to aim your TK at your opponen. Blood Omen 2 and defiance prove that.

News to me that Kain had TK in Blood Omen 2.

.....you dont aim your TK, you probably just dont understand the controls, you just face your opponent and press TK and forwards i think it is, or forward attack and their hanging in the air, Dante cant do anything while doing that

Also Dante healing factor is not awsome or great, its over rated thats what it is, he still has a load of his health punched down when his hit so his resilence isnt too great and his healing is pitiful compared to some, the Elder God can reform limbs instantly and entire tenticles and Dante's Dash is simply as fast as a sprinting human, which is not impressive

also i hate to break it to ya but all his guns are pretty crap, in their base forms when you first get them their all not too great, his swords are far better and the Soul reaver itself is more powerful than Dante's entire arsenal combines times ten i think most should agree so no point in argueing with Dante's weapons

you probably havent even got Kain up to the TK shackles ability 🙄 , i admit myself i havnt completed DMC 3 100% yet but from what ive seen and what i know, he has not got enough tricks to defeat Kain or KO him, i doubt his fast enough or strong enough to rip out any part of Kain or Knock him out before Kain can Dodge, Teleport or simply blast him with a Soul reaver

Nikkolas is owning you and hes new lol, anyway yes he did have a weak TK move of pulling magic icons and such with TK in BO 2 but not that effective compared to Defiance, also Mist form is fast so you may as well give in Ashtar, Dante can win many fights i admit, but Kain is going to beat him dead

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Yes...because the sword he was stabbed with is anywhere nearly as powerful as the Soul Reaver which would, upon impaling him, devour his soul...right.

I have never seen kain instantly impale an opponent and drain his soul, he usually has to weaken them first.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

Mist form in Blood Omen is very different from Mist form in the other games. And it can be used as an offensive move if he wanted to. Dante goes to hit him, go Mist and dodge and get behind him. It’s very sensible.


Dante could always use Quick Silver and stop him dead in his tracks.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

It’s Sarafan, genius. And that’s game mechanics. He can’t kill bosses because that be incredibly lame. With these restrictions gone, there is no reason it wouldn’t work on others.

Doesn't matter, your assuming it's an instant kill based on the fact it kills low tier characters, dante isn't some seraphin night genius. immolate was an attack that can be avoided by hiding behind an object, I don't see what's so powerful about that.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

There is a massive difference. BO2 Mist Form is slow and stupid and hardly useful as well as only capable of being used when actually surrounded by Mist.

In defiance it can only be used as a side step or to go through cages, again show me an offensive application

Originally posted by Nikkolas

That icon is very childish but I suppose it represents you well.

Why are you getting so offensive?

Originally posted by Nikkolas

So, your argument why it’s better is that it’s cheap with add-ons? That’s pretty pathetic. Sorry to tell you, but the Soul Reaver is better no matter how you denounce it. Your flagrant bias does not determine which sword is better. The facts do and the Soul Reaver is a cosmic-level weapon with immense power.

Bias on what, soul reaver isn't a Cosmic weapon, dont confuse a critique with being bias.

Originally posted by Nikkolas

News to me that Kain had TK in Blood Omen 2.

I suggest you play it again, I own the game.

Originally posted by Burning thought
.....you dont aim your TK, you probably just dont understand the controls, you just face your opponent and press TK and forwards i think it is, or forward attack and their hanging in the air, Dante cant do anything while doing that

😆 Right, you don't aim it despite the fact when you activate the tk, there is a targeting icon?

Originally posted by Burning thought

Also Dante healing factor is not awsome or great, its over rated thats what it is, he still has a load of his health punched down when his hit so his resilence isnt too great and his healing is pitiful compared to some, the Elder God can reform limbs instantly and entire tenticles and Dante's Dash is simply as fast as a sprinting human, which is not impressive

Dante's dash is not a sprinting human, when can humans sprint in the air or run up walls?

Originally posted by Burning thought

also i hate to break it to ya but all his guns are pretty crap, in their base forms when you first get them their all not too great, his swords are far better and the Soul reaver itself is more powerful than Dante's entire arsenal combines times ten i think most should agree so no point in argueing with Dante's weapons

I'm not comparing Devil May Cry to legacy of kain, your taking this way out of context.

Originally posted by Burning thought

you probably havent even got Kain up to the TK shackles ability 🙄 , i admit myself i havnt completed DMC 3 100% yet but from what ive seen and what i know, he has not got enough tricks to defeat Kain or KO him, i doubt his fast enough or strong enough to rip out any part of Kain or Knock him out before Kain can Dodge, Teleport or simply blast him with a Soul reaver

I beat defaince and I owned Blood omen 2, so what are you talking about?

you cant of beaten Defiance that well if you dont know the moves proply, you DO NOT target TK shackle, the only TK you actually have to target is when you hitting buttons, otherwise you just press Auto fact which is ";" for me and then "L" which is TK and i can throw the enemies around and freeze them in shackles, the targeter is "o"

Originally posted by Burning thought
you cant of beaten Defiance that well if you dont know the moves proply, you DO NOT target TK shackle, the only TK you actually have to target is when you hitting buttons, otherwise you just press Auto fact which is ";" for me and then "L" which is TK and i can throw the enemies around and freeze them in shackles, the targeter is "o"

Again, when using tk a cusor appears on the screen, this has always been so, since blood omen 2.

i still stay with my argument, what do you press..........all i do is autoface and press "L" on the keyboard and my enemy is floating in the air in Defiance, no curser, nothing like Blood omen 2?...

regardless in real life which this battle is in, there is no curser and Kain will simply think a thought and Dante is in the air, or if Kain really wants to be cruel he can be impaled on his own sword just before dieing by kains, or the lairy Dante will get his mouth ripped out, his so annoying when he mocks the ice guardian and others, he wont mock kain without his mouth 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
i still stay with my argument, what do you press..........all i do is autoface and press "L" on the keyboard and my enemy is floating in the air in Defiance, no curser, nothing like Blood omen 2?...

I have palyed defiance on the ps2, and when you activate the tk, a cursor appears.

Originally posted by Burning thought

regardless in real life which this battle is in, there is no curser and Kain will simply think a thought and Dante is in the air, or if Kain really wants to be cruel he can be impaled on his own sword just before dieing by kains, or the lairy Dante will get his mouth ripped out, his so annoying when he mocks the ice guardian and others, he wont mock kain without his mouth 😄

No, whenever kain uses his tk, he uses hand gestures. Kain has never done a TK move without doing that. and your ignoring my point, with quick silver dante will slowdown time take the reaver away,and ko kain.
How is kain going to get past that?

Of course you could argue he was not specifically referring to arrogance but it’s quite clear what he means and I doubt anyone would disagree with him.

It's left ambiguous. Completely moot.

I believe we saw it in Defiance but I’m not sure.

No, of course we didn't. You made that up.

No. Because he’s a master of manipulation and intellect.

Good for him. Doesn't mean it'll work well in a sword fight.

A thousand-years of existence and conquering and exterminating seems to have tought Kain a thing or two.

Wrong.

Kain wasn't conquering for any "thousand years". In one hundred years humanity was completely domesticated. Kain sat on his ass for centuries.

Compared to Vorador being far older and more experience, surviving in a realm where Vampire's are hunted by Sarafan warriors.

We thought it was arrogance Kain threw Raziel into the Abyss. It was his master plan which unveils its mastery all throughout Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance.

His intentions behind that actions weren't yet clarified. The biggest theory is that he did the deed to speed up the process of him being the Scion of Balance, making Raziel take a split role, blah blah. It's unclarified, it could have well been jealousy.

If you can look at that Kaina nd say with all the vast knowledge he’s obtained and the scope of mind he’s displayed would walk into a trap set up by some Sarafan and not walk out, you are a bit narrow-minded.

Oh please. With Moebius' staff involved Kain would be crippled like a little baby, again. You haven't provided any documentations of Kain's alleged immunity to Vampire Hunters with a staff that leaves him crippled.

hey were executing vampires besides Vorador.

Vorador was the last. All were dead before he was even captured. He says so in Defiance. The purges were over when Kain arrived. That's all there is to it. You're working off your interpretations of ambiguous quotes, imagery and what you think happened. I'm going by what Vorador and Moebius said. After Vorador's destruction, the purge was over.

A. No one could kill Malek. It’s unknown how even Vorador did it.

Looks like you just contradicted yourself in that same sentence. Vorador killed him. Kain couldn't.

Did the Pillar members Vorador kill look evil, corrupted powerhouses? Were they summoning massive demons, hurling magical spells, transmitting people in time to attack and fight him or completely insane mental masters?

No, because Vorador killed them too fast. Regardless, these Guardians had the power of the Pillars. Prove that the ones Kain fought were more powerful-oh wait, you can't.

And Moebius wasn't there. What, did you expect the Guardian of State or Conflict to send a time traveling entity on you?

Blood Omen 2 was made by another company entirely.

It's canon.

Kain can teleport now

He can't in Defiance because after the events of Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2 happened and Kain lost many of his powers. It's possible he got his gift some between BO and BO2 and simply lost it for good.

Vampires don’t lose powers.

Wrong. He did in Blood Omen 2. He only regained them after drinking other Vamp's blood, gaining THIER powers.

You are bargaining on powers Vorador never displayed. He killed some weak Circle members and Malek

Prove they were weak. You can't- oh wait, your beloved proof: "They looked weak facing Vorador!" Good! Too bad that's begging the question, logical fallacy.


There is a large difference between Janos and Kain. Kain is not as old. Kain is a completely different vampire from any other. Janos belongs to the ancient Vampires. Comparing them is almost like comparing two different species given the evidence.

Who the hell cares? Look at this godamn forum. We're comparing two different species everywhere. The fact is that Janos beat Raziel who stalemated Kain. Janos is more powerful. Accept it.

They had the exact same heart, for Christ's sake!

If there is ever a new LoK, then maybe we will.

There won't be. The series is dead. Don't hold your breath.

i know it doesnt say but what if vergil helped

It's left ambiguous. Completely moot.

I don’t doubt its meaning didn’t register with you. That’s hardly to say it’s moot because its meaning is quite clear for people with an IQ over 70. But, ignore facts. Sucha tactic is your best friend. However, a general call to everyone. How ambiguous is that line? What does it say when you read it? It clearly says that Vorador has fallen prey to what many warriors do - a lack of competitiona nd challenge weakens one’s power and raises arrogance. But, ambiguous...yes...facts and clear dialogue are not your friend.

And uh, centuries worth of knowledge and combatting people is not exactly worthless in a sword fight, you twit. Skill requires experience and Kain has a lot more experience with the Soul Reaver than Dante has with any of his blades.

Wrong.

Kain wasn't conquering for any "thousand years". In one hundred years humanity was completely domesticated. Kain sat on his ass for centuries.

Compared to Vorador being far older and more experience, surviving in a realm where Vampire's are hunted by Sarafan warriors.

Oh yes...Vorador truly lived in a harsh life in a giant mansion. He must have just been constantly besieged by attackers. Where is your quote humanity died after a hundred years? Where is your proof “Kain sat on his ass for centuries”? I’d love to know and I don’t think anyone will be shocked if it came right from your ass.

His intentions behind that actions weren't yet clarified. The biggest theory is that he did the deed to speed up the process of him being the Scion of Balance, making Raziel take a split role, blah blah. It's unclarified, it could have well been jealousy.

Kain:
At last! I must say, I'm disappointed in your progress, I imagined you would be here sooner. Tell me, did it trouble you to murder your brothers?
Raziel:
Did it trouble you when you ordered me into the abyss!?
Kain:
No. I had faith in you, in your ability to hate. In your self-righteous indignation.

— Clearly shows he knew Raziel would survive. I don’t think you qualify as an objective person so your opinion matters little. If you played the games and think Kain did it out of only jealousy then you’re a fool. If you shrug off him doing it, then you’re even more of one. It was the first step in a plan that spanned time and could ahve gone wrong should the slightest miscalculation occur. Kain, through his own machinations and intellect, helped make Raziel’s free will to set in the plan to find “the third option.”

Oh please. With Moebius' staff involved Kain would be crippled like a little baby, again. You haven't provided any documentations of Kain's alleged immunity to Vampire Hunters with a staff that leaves him crippled.

You didn’t read one word I said... I said he was clever and intelligent. That has nothing to do with physical weakness. Kain is smart and he would not let himself fall prey to Moebius and his group of bloodthirsty genocidal lunatics if he could not survive. He made the mistake only once to approach Moebius and he didn’t even know his staff effected vampires. Kain, no matter how dim and feeble you deem him, is not dim by any means and wouldn’t wander into a situation he could not walk out from.

Vorador was the last. All were dead before he was even captured. He says so in Defiance. The purges were over when Kain arrived. That's all there is to it. You're working off your interpretations of ambiguous quotes, imagery and what you think happened. I'm going by what Vorador and Moebius said. After Vorador's destruction, the purge was over.

Okay..so the purge was over. Kain SAW Vorador die. So, in the split second Moebius took to talk to the crowd after Vorador was beheaded, the mighty vampire hunters spread to every corner, demobolised and Kain fought only the remnant? Please. Kain was there when Vorador died and Kain was the last. Moebius said so himself as he pointed him out to the crowd. Play through the game again or don’t talk.

Looks like you just contradicted yourself in that same sentence. Vorador killed him. Kain couldn't.

Repeat: No one could kill Malek. He was a soul trapped in armor. That could very well mean good old Janos couldn’t. Or any other being in Nosgoth. Maybe your Dnate couldn’t. If we don’t know how Vorador did it, it’s not a huge testament to his power because one could argue Malek could kill huge scores of any game character.

No, because Vorador killed them too fast. Regardless, these Guardians had the power of the Pillars. Prove that the ones Kain fought were more powerful-oh wait, you can't.

And Moebius wasn't there. What, did you expect the Guardian of State or Conflict to send a time traveling entity on you?

Okay...so the Pillar guardians of old were simply people bound to the pillar. They wielded no extraordinary power. If you remember, all they did was call for Malek. If you have exceptional power, you don’t need protection so badly that all you do is scream for him while doing NOTHIGN ELSE. Killed them too fast? That woman and the other man were screaming for help long before Vorador actually killed them. They showed no proof of their power and therefore your claim that they were somehow just overwhelmed by Voador is false on its face. Or tell me - if you had these unseen, unknown but clearly evident power, would you be doing nothing but calling for help instead of mounting a resistance?

Prove they were weak. You can't- oh wait, your beloved proof: "They looked weak facing Vorador!" Good! Too bad that's begging the question, logical fallacy.

And it’s too bad your brain has been dissolved by fanboyism. Check back and look at the scene. The one Pillar guardian who did actually fight back hurled one energy ball and then it showed he was out of power. Oh...what a mighty display. He wasn’t weak at all.

The fact is, they were not only weak against Vorador, they were weak against anyone with a slight bit of power. The Circle members in Kain’s time are transforming the land into a twisted expanse of horrid monstrosities in Dark Eden, letting loose a horde of demons to destroy and kill everything in Avernus as well as as the Cathedral and saving waves of undead at Kain. So, we have ancient Pillars member Vorador killed running away after throwing one weak energy bolt and out of gas and then we have twisted psychotic mentalist who tortures people and sewed his eyes shut. Nah...I think anyone with any semblance of a brain can see there is a big difference in power ratio.

Accept it.

They had the exact same heart, for Christ's sake!

And that makes them the same how...? Kain is a vampire unlike any other in Nosgoth and far removed from Janos who belongs to the Ancients. The level of power is different. If Janos was the ultimate powerhouse, he’d kinda be the Scion of Balance. Yet, Vampire lore states that that person is Kain. So, unless the vampires were placing their faith in a being weaker than other vampires currently living, I would say Kain must have something Janos does not.

There won't be. The series is dead. Don't hold your breath.

Luckily moronic hate-mongers driven by spite like yourself are not in Crystal Dynamics. So you’ll pardon me if I give two craps on yoru worthless and shallow emnity.

hahah owned again....your a bloody champ, nik 😄...oh and in an interview with the dark chronicle, CD said they will finish the series rather than remake the old games..i cannot show that because, unfortunatly, the dark chronicle updated their site by a margin and i cant find the interview...

kain is recorded in time and history to be the greatest of all vampires and save them from extinction, Yanos is just one of the ancient Fathers of vampires but that does not make him far more powerful, janos does not Evolve like Kain does, kain evolves every century or so and gains new gifts so hell almost always be getting stronger

Dante is just some young teenager with a few sword skills who thinks his badass, he isnt going to have much chance against a being of Ages who had seen many battles and gotten out alive or dead in some cases but still got out and lives and breathes again, he even defeats Eldar God.

Kains soul reaver could not be wielded by Dante, Only Kain and Raziel can wield it well or their Allies, Dante's soul will be drained away from him as he touches it and he will drop dead, i doubt Raziel will let Dante wield him within the blade

and yes i must Say Nik your very good at this indeed 😄

I don’t doubt its meaning didn’t register with you. That’s hardly to say it’s moot because its meaning is quite clear for people with an IQ over 70. But, ignore facts. Sucha tactic is your best friend. However, a general call to everyone.

There's no "fact" in this. You interpreted this quote as being a direct referrence to arrogance. I never argued general deterrence, but you have absolutely zero proof for this assertion.

What does it say when you read it? It clearly says that Vorador has fallen prey to what many warriors do - a lack of competitiona nd challenge weakens one’s power and raises arrogance. But, ambiguous...yes...facts and clear dialogue are not your friend

What the f*ck does this have to do with arrogance? That was your original point, wasn't it? Oh, too bad you couldn't prove that.

Oh yes...Vorador truly lived in a harsh life in a giant mansion.

Considering they hunted him and killed many of his loved ones during the Sarafan purdge, yes it was quite harsh.

Where is your quote humanity died after a hundred years?

Wow, you're stupid.

"Redemption" in the Soul Reaver manual.

The destruction of the major human kingdoms wsa inevitable. Within a hundred years, humanity had been thoroughly domesticated.

Raziel then went on to say that "We grew bored". Kain sure did alot of conquering.

You didn’t read one word I said... I said he was clever and intelligent.

Oh, then it's even easier. Vorador knew in Defiance that they were coming for him, Vorador knew he had to fight. Being clever and intelligent would help you run, but Vorador clearly didn't want to do that.

That has nothing to do with physical weakness. Kain is smart and he would not let himself fall prey to Moebius and his group of bloodthirsty genocidal lunatics if he could not survive.

In a way, Vorador just gave up. It's clear he didn't want to prolong his life by running away.

He made the mistake only once to approach Moebius and he didn’t even know his staff effected vampires. Kain, no matter how dim and feeble you deem him, is not dim by any means and wouldn’t wander into a situation he could not walk out from.

But he did once, but this is beside the point. Kain's ability to avoid fights has nothing to do with his strength compared to Vorador.

Okay..so the purge was over. Kain SAW Vorador die. So, in the split second Moebius took to talk to the crowd after Vorador was beheaded, the mighty vampire hunters spread to every corner, demobolised and Kain fought only the remnant? Please. Kain was there when Vorador died and Kain was the last. Moebius said so himself as he pointed him out to the crowd. Play through the game again or don’t talk.

By the time of Vorador execution, you believe every single Vampire hunter was there watching? Some were. That's for sure, but you can't quantify the amount Kain faced to the amount Vorador faced. We don't know the figures so your original proof begs for more proof.

Repeat: No one could kill Malek. He was a soul trapped in armor. That could very well mean good old Janos couldn’t. Or any other being in Nosgoth. Maybe your Dnate couldn’t. If we don’t know how Vorador did it, it’s not a huge testament to his power because one could argue Malek could kill huge scores of any game character.

Another contradiction. You said "No one could kill Malek" then you go on to admit that Vorador did kill him.

And where the bloody hell does it say "No one could kill Malek"? Moebius bounded his soul to the armor with magic. Vorador might have knew a spell to counter that, or something.

Okay...so the Pillar guardians of old were simply people bound to the pillar. They wielded no extraordinary power.

When was this said?

if you remember, all they did was call for Malek.

They attacked Vorador. Vorador was too powerful.

if you have exceptional power, you don’t need protection so badly that all you do is scream for him while doing NOTHIGN ELSE.

Malek was still the protection of the Pillar guardians 500 years later. So it looks like this point crumbles.

Killed them too fast? That woman and the other man were screaming for help long before Vorador actually killed them. They showed no proof of their power and therefore your claim that they were somehow just overwhelmed by Voador is false on its face. Or tell me - if you had these unseen, unknown but clearly evident power, would you be doing nothing but calling for help instead of mounting a resistance?

Because:

Fact A: Circle Members get their power from the Pillars
Fact B: Vorador made 6 of them them look weak
Fact C: Kain killed many Circle Members, to him they looked strong
Possibility D: The later Circle Members are stronger than the former.
Possible Proof D: The later ones looked stronger in comparison to Kain.

That's not a valid case for Kain's superiority, because there are no constants. All we really know is that Vorador could kill 6 Circle Members who drew their power from the pillars and Kain couldn't.

BTW, Moebius and Mortanius were from a long time ago too. They were weak 😖arcasm:

The one Pillar guardian who did actually fight back hurled one energy ball and then it showed he was out of power. Oh...what a mighty display. He wasn’t weak at all.

Again, begging the question. You're making a case because someone killed sa guardian who looked stronger ignoring the context of who was the someone. Vorador was stronger than Kain, and he made it look easy.

The fact is, they were not only weak against Vorador, they were weak against anyone with a slight bit of power.

Prove it.

So, we have ancient Pillars member Vorador killed running away after throwing one weak energy bolt and out of gas and then we have twisted psychotic mentalist who tortures people and sewed his eyes shut. Nah...I think anyone with any semblance of a brain can see there is a big difference in power ratio.

It also must be noted that Vorador caught them by surprise whereas they were ready for Kain.

I would say Kain must have something Janos does not.

Destiny. You do know that Janos was originally meant to be killed? Doesn't mean he's weaker than kain.

Luckily moronic hate-mongers driven by spite like yourself are not in Crystal Dynamics. So you’ll pardon me if I give two craps on yoru worthless and shallow emnity.

Haha, don't get mad, but the series is done for. Eidos is experiencing financial trouble and one of the main voice actors (Tony Jay, voice of the Elder God) passed away. Sowwy 🙁

This is completely off-topic and your opinion is so drenched in bias it makes Paris Hilton after one of her videos look freshly scrubbed and clean. The Pillar Guardians Kain foguth demonstrated powers that could ravage and destroy huge portions of Nosgoth. That translates to they looked strong to him and pretty much everyone else watching as they made places like Dark Eden. The Guardians Vorador killed only screamed for help, demonstrated no massive displays of power and thus you are bargaining on powers you presume. Go watch the opening again. I said point-blank that the only one to clearly put up a fight had one pathetic energy bolt and he was out of gas. He holds up his hands as if to use more magic and nothing happens ie. he was out of power. One guy who can throw an energy bolt and a few others who do nothing but scream for help does not demonstrate amazing and awesome power. Work with facts or shut up and get lost.

I'm off-topic. The fact is, Kain kills Dante. Slow Time equals Dante is moving with 1/4 normal speed and Kain at maximum. Stabs him in teh chest, absorbs his soul into the Soul Reaver and goes home to bang some of Vorador's women.

yes this did go WAAAAY off topic but anyway Kain can beat this "kid" any time

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It doesn't matter, once he's K.O'ed the match is over, rules are rules. this isn't mortal Kombat.

The heart of Darkness was used to create Kain, and was concidered a source of his life and it was ripped by the creature who's destiny was to kill Kain, that's why everyone thought Kain is dead. But Kain survived even without heart of Darkness but it took him a while to recover so no wonder he was KOed for sometime. Besides that time he was never knocked uncouncious and now he doesn't have heart so Dante wouldn't be able to knock him out and if he mortally injures Kain then Kain will simply reforms, so there is no way for Dante to KO Kain. Besides it all doesn't matter since Kain is far more powerfull than Dante, moves as fast, can teleport, has tk and can controle time, demensions etc so Dante literally stands no chance even if he could KO Kain, but he can't.

i was just playing DMC 3 and he is SO SLOW, he lets open his sword attacks so many times that he can easily be attacked, he is usless at defence, i was using Adni and Rudra (whatever they are called) and their supposed to be the fastest swords so far but hell, even swords master is still pretty dam slow, Dante can hardly dodge getting hit by the slow enemies in the game, let alone Kain who moves 10x faster than any of them 🙄

Rebellion is a nice enough sword, Sparda would be usless weapon, but Rebellion would be dante's friend, but push cinematics aside and in gameplay Dante is terribly slow, Kain in game is a lot faster, even if his combo's aint he isnt always leaving his guard open to be attacked and is always able to jump or dodge, unlike Dante who is often unable to Dodge an enemy as his slow sword attacks come down, TBH he is fast sometimes and very fast at others but other than that he is a snail compared to Kain

Kain even fights more powerful enemies, the Hylden are far more powerful than the shades and wraiths and flying things, the Demons are far stronger than DMC demons and the Wraiths in DMC are nothing yet Dante is still troubled at times, wheras he could never face the LOK wraiths, he couldnt even hit them 😆

I do like Jester though, hes an awsome character in DMC 3 crazy and cool at the same time

dante wins with his quick silver ability.