Kain VS Dante

Originally posted by Sam Z
The heart of Darkness was used to create Kain, and was concidered a source of his life and it was ripped by the creature who's destiny was to kill Kain, that's why everyone thought Kain is dead. But Kain survived even without heart of Darkness but it took him a while to recover so no wonder he was KOed for sometime. Besides that time he was never knocked uncouncious and now he doesn't have heart so Dante wouldn't be able to knock him out and if he mortally injures Kain then Kain will simply reforms, so there is no way for Dante to KO Kain. Besides it all doesn't matter since Kain is far more powerfull than Dante, moves as fast, can teleport, has tk and can controle time, demensions etc so Dante literally stands no chance even if he could KO Kain, but he can't.

He was K.O.ed twice in the series. so, your point is moot. And control over time, you mean when uses the ruins to time travel with the reaver, gimme a break.

You haven't given me any reason why dante can't ko kain, instead you listed the reavers ability, good job.

Anyway I already made my point, there is nothing else for me to say.

Kain wins.....End off, now let this thread die, everyones said their piece

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain wins.....End off, now let this thread die, everyones said their piece

Very well, let this thread die.

blows holes in thread and burns it

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
He was K.O.ed twice in the series. so, your point is moot. And control over time, you mean when uses the ruins to time travel with the reaver, gimme a break.

You haven't given me any reason why dante can't ko kain, instead you listed the reavers ability, good job.

Because time controle is an ability of reaver as well, so don't call my point moot only because of your lack of knowledge. And where's the second time Kain KOed. And again, that "ripping heart" thing is not going to help Dante as I explained above, and take also that Kain is way more powerfull than Dante. TK chains + drains soul = Dante is done. Try arguing that.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Because time controle is an ability of reaver as well, so don't call my point moot only because of your lack of knowledge. And where's the second time Kain KOed. And again, that "ripping heart" thing is not going to help Dante as I explained above, and take also that Kain is way more powerfull than Dante. TK chains + drains soul = Dante is done. Try arguing that.

Ugh, your point about kain being ko'ed was moot, he was ko'ed by the seraphin lord also. And when has the reaver manipulated time without the aid of a ruin? Kain can't control dimensions, Dimesion is a property of the reaver that allows him to teleport, that's it.

I like how you completely ignore the fact quick silver is in play here, and doppleganger, and kain is screwed. You still haven't explain how kain is going to escape quick silver,sam-z.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Ugh, your point about kain being koed was moot, he was koed by the seraphin lord also. Alos when has the reaver manipulated time without the aid of a ruin, and the kain can't ontrol dimensions. Dimesion is a property of the reaver that allows him to teleport, that's it.

I like how you completely ignore the fact quick silver is in play here, and doppleganger, and kkain is screwed. You still haven't explain how kain is going to escape quick silver sam-z.

Seraphin lord, please be more exact, when did it happen and what happened there. I like it how you make stuff up, he never needed ruins to maniulate time with reaver, reaver simply got this new ability through the game. And Kain can controle demension, you talk of reaver as of something that has nothing to do with Kain. I don't ignore anything, you'd better tell me how is Dante going to use quick silver when he is paralized?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Seraphin lord, please be more exact, when did it happen and what happened there. I like it how you make stuff up

Have you played Blood Omen 2?

Originally posted by Sam Z

he never needed ruins to maniulate time with reaver, reaver simply got this new ability through the game. And Kain can controle demension, you talk of reaver as of something that has nothing to do with Kain. I don't ignore anything, you'd better tell me how is Dante going to use quick silver when he is paralized?

Again, your ignoring a question, when has he controlled dimensions and time?

And being paralyzed wouldn't stop him from using quick silver, he doesn't have to perform any gestures to activate it, he just thinks about it, and it happens.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Have you played Blood Omen 2?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Again, your ignoring a question, when has he controlled dimensions and time?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

And being paralyzed wouldn't stop him from using quick silver, he doesn't have to perform any gestures to activate it, he just thinks about it, and it happens.

actually it takes about 2 seconds or less to transform into Devil trigger mode, kain can simply think in an instant and Dante is either being tossed around or hanging in chains and Sam Z is right, you have to be standing still for about a second before you can acitvate, and at the same time, it takes a little while to come into effect like i said above

also Kain gets the Time power to manipulate time so that it goes slowly but also speeds him up, similiar to quick silver, quick silver doesnt stop time, it just speeds Dante up so that his enemies seem frozen so Kain still has only got to think, his thoughts would not be affected by Dante, only movement, i admit however that the Dimension reaver allows Kain to teleport at extreme speeds, perhaps instantly to his enemies and perform a reaver slash, this would kill Dante

Also we are still forgetting the fact that Dante has no way to rip out Kains heart since he hasnt got one any more, also theres no other way to knock Kain out, he has survived hits by far worse things that Dante, Kain can also shoot instant kill bolts that move at instant speeds, these are undodgable

Originally posted by Sam Z
Have you read rules of the forum? We are talking about current Kain, why don't you take Kain from Blood Omen 1 when he was just a vampire. That'd be even more convinient after all...
Fact remains, Dante can't ko Kain.

What does immortality have to do with K.O.ing kain?

Originally posted by Sam Z

My turn to ask question. Have you played Defiance?
Time reaver and demension reaver are his basic abilities.

Again, when has kain controlled dimensions and time? Yes, I've played defaince, and kain has never controlled dimensions or time, your listing properties of the reaver. and kain has only time traveled with the help of a ruin and he can't control dimensions,but, you claimed he can, so give me an example.

Originally posted by Sam Z

And being paralized and getting his soul stolen would, and you also would have to prove that it is activated by his thought only and can be performed while paralized coz it is not, can you use it for example when you are in the middle of someone's attack? No. So there.

What does attack have to do with thought, DMC 3 dante activated qucik silver wothout any manerisms what so ever. Have you played DMC 3, if not why are you debating a game you haven't played?

Originally posted by Burning thought
actually it takes about 2 seconds or less to transform into Devil trigger mode, kain can simply think in an instant and Dante is either being tossed around or hanging in chains and Sam Z is right, you have to be standing still for about a second before you can acitvate, and at the same time, it takes a little while to come into effect like i said above

Originally posted by Burning thought

also Kain gets the Time power to manipulate time so that it goes slowly but also speeds him up, similiar to quick silver, quick silver doesnt stop time, it just speeds Dante up so that his enemies seem frozen so Kain still has only got to think, his thoughts would not be affected by Dante, only movement, i admit however that the Dimension reaver allows Kain to teleport at extreme speeds, perhaps instantly to his enemies and perform a reaver slash, this would kill Dante

Your ignoring quick silver as usual, and kain when has kain manipulated time?

Originally posted by Burning thought

Also we are still forgetting the fact that Dante has no way to rip out Kains heart since he hasnt got one any more, also theres no other way to knock Kain out, he has survived hits by far worse things that Dante, Kain can also shoot instant kill bolts that move at instant speeds, these are undodgable

What instant kill does kain have that's unavoidable, and when has he survived worst?

what do you mean by, when has he survived worse?

anyway although kain doesnt do it, the reaver DOES, and in this fight kain has it, so it doesnt matter if Kain can do it or not, the reaver is Kains special sword, its made for him and is especially powrful in his hands

Soul reaver 1, first kain battle, Kain shoots undodgable, instant kill bolts of energy from his reaver, also Devil trigger DOES take about 1-2 seconds to take effect completly, ive played the game about 5 minutes ago, also even if some how, magically kain LETS dante do his little quick silver, whats he going to do, it lasts only a limited amount of time, he has about 3 minutes or less to do what he wants ot kain, but whats he gonner do, stab him with rebellion, 😆 please......he cant hurt kain, only the wraith blade can actually do anything, kain will just walk around with Rebellion in him and laugh at Dante's puny attempts of fightning him a bit like the first level of DMC 3

Originally posted by Burning thought
what do you mean by, when has he survived worse?

anyway although kain doesnt do it, the reaver DOES, and in this fight kain has it, so it doesnt matter if Kain can do it or not, the reaver is Kains special sword, its made for him and is especially powrful in his hands

Soul reaver 1, first kain battle, Kain shoots undodgable, instant kill bolts of energy from his reaver, also Devil trigger DOES take about 1-2 seconds to take effect completly, ive played the game about 5 minutes ago, also even if some how, magically kain LETS dante do his little quick silver, whats he going to do, it lasts only a limited amount of time, he has about 3 minutes or less to do what he wants ot kain, but whats he gonner do, stab him with rebellion, 😆 please......he cant hurt kain, only the wraith blade can actually do anything, kain will just walk around with Rebellion in him and laugh at Dante's puny attempts of fightning him a bit like the first level of DMC 3

No, devil trigger does not take 2 seconds. as soon as you press the buttons it activates and qucik silver last depending upon how much power you have. and here you go again, I want you to show me kain tking hits similar to the rebellion without being phased. because it seems that your camp is just claiming things without backing it up.

Tell me:

When kain has controled dimensions?
When kain has controled time?
When kain has withstood hits without being phased, like in your scenerio?
What unavoidable attack did he shoot, and who did he use it on?

And most importantly, why he can't be knocked out, you keep bringing immortality into this, and I constantly have to repeat myself. IMMORTALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING K.O.ED

what are oyu talking about? Phased, whats that supposed to mean, and what do you mean you want to see kain Tking hits similiar to the rebellion, this doesnt make sense

Kain himself does not control Dimensions or time, the Reaver allows him to do the Dimension teleport move and the time reaver allows him to slow down time much like quick silver, thats the truth, and ofc from playing Defiance you know it is

obviously you do ot agree on 2 sec devil trigger os ill drop it even though i still belive it takes a while to get into effect, but either way, it does have limits, also the only times you see Kain being knocked out is when hes had his heart ripped out, but at his current age and power he has never been knocked out of conciousness except for that one time, which is completly diffrent from swords or punches, having your heart ripped out is more severe than anything dante has had to endure, and no, swords in the chest and such crap is nothing compared to it 🙄

Originally posted by Burning thought
what are oyu talking about? Phased, whats that supposed to mean, and what do you mean you want to see kain Tking hits similiar to the rebellion, this doesnt make sense

How does it not make sense, you claimed he can take hits from dante's rebellion, so show me an example of him doing this in his own series, what's so hard about that?

Originally posted by Burning thought

Kain himself does not control Dimensions or time, the Reaver allows him to do the Dimension teleport move and the time reaver allows him to slow down time much like quick silver, thats the truth, and ofc from playing Defiance you know it is

I do know that, it's just that certain people were claiming kain could control time and dimensions.

Originally posted by Burning thought

obviously you do ot agree on 2 sec devil trigger os ill drop it even though i still belive it takes a while to get into effect, but either way, it does have limits, also the only times you see Kain being knocked out is when hes had his heart ripped out, but at his current age and power he has never been knocked out of conciousness except for that one time, which is completly diffrent from swords or punches, having your heart ripped out is more severe than anything dante has had to endure, and no, swords in the chest and such crap is nothing compared to it 🙄

So, because he was knocked out by getting his heart ripped out only, he can't be K.O.ed no other way? 😕

I'm asking you for kains durability feats, how much can he take before getting k.o.ed? You claimed it would take nothing short of "Ripping his heart out, to k.o him" I disagreed, show me kain being hit by uber powerful attacks and not getting K.O.Ed, becuase surving strikes from Seraphim knights isn't really impressive.

he survives strikes from the elder God, his tentacles are enormous and his strength unknown, but he can knock through stone and rock effortlessly as if he was moving his tentacles through air and he smashes all kinds of steel and metal, so think if kain can survive about 50 hits from that, i doubt Dante is gonner be able to take him down or knock him out, also the Hylden are extremely strong, it takes a lot to take them down and their strength is awsome, the hylden lords strength probably outmatches dante's considering he picks up and throws around people like toys however this doesnt prove much of his strength

Also Kain takes hits from swords all the time, he even takes hits from the Wraith blade, which is the weapon that can kill him and he still survives, the thing is, in his own series, in his older form he is too fast to be hit, hes never hit on the average

Also Rebellion is not much of a sword in power terms, does it have any powers, all ive seen it do is cut through statues and that but it cant drain souls or make enemies explode like the soul reaver, theres nothing to say it will do much to kain, also Kain will turn to mist whenever Dante tries to attack and so he wont be able to cut Kain, either way, sword slashes would not K.O kain

Also sarafan are not exactley weak, neither are the Demons, the Demons in LOK can be seen as highly strong and perhaps nearly as strong as dante physically, the Sarafan blades take a long time to kill Kain if you let him get hit

Originally posted by Burning thought
he survives strikes from the elder God, his tentacles are enormous and his strength unknown, but he can knock through stone and rock effortlessly as if he was moving his tentacles through air and he smashes all kinds of steel and metal, so think if kain can survive about 50 hits from that, i doubt Dante is gonner be able to take him down or knock him out, also the Hylden are extremely strong, it takes a lot to take them down and their strength is awsome, the hylden lords strength probably outmatches dante's considering he picks up and throws around people like toys however this doesnt prove much of his strength

Dante destroy demons that are several meters tall, and can cut through metal. And are these cutscenes or gameplay, because gameplay doesn't hold weight.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Also Kain takes hits from swords all the time, he even takes hits from the Wraith blade, which is the weapon that can kill him and he still survives, the thing is, in his own series, in his older form he is too fast to be hit, hes never hit on the average

Right, sword strikes from seraphim knights, which was my point. you can't compare those knights to dante in his Weakest Incarnation.
How fast is he, because kain hasn't shown me any uber speed like you've given him.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Also Rebellion is not much of a sword in power terms, does it have any powers, all ive seen it do is cut through statues and that but it cant drain souls or make enemies explode like the soul reaver, theres nothing to say it will do much to kain, also Kain will turn to mist whenever Dante tries to attack and so he wont be able to cut Kain, either way, sword slashes would not K.O kain

Sigh, your using his mist form as an offensive application, when has kain gone through an attack with his mist form? and the rebellion is a regular blade, it's the swrod that counts, but the sword men.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Also sarafan are not exactley weak, neither are the Demons, the Demons in LOK can be seen as highly strong and perhaps nearly as strong as dante physically, the Sarafan blades take a long time to kill Kain if you let him get hit

No, seraphin knights aren't that strong, your exaggerating as usual.

what if vergil helped . i know its not the topic but im saying what if. any way i say dante i played that kain game imp it sucked