Thread Starter: “I think James Cameron should’ve used Chyna instead of Kristanna Loken for the T-X in Terminator 3. “
Poster 1: “I’m sure he had a good reason.”
Moderator: “JC has already stated he was looking for a slim female to show that the T-X’s superiority wasn’t about size, but that from a technology standpoint she was waaaaaay beyond the Terminator. Must we do this again?”
Thread Starter: “I can see WHY he used her, I just think the fight scenes would’ve been sweeter with a muscle-bound Chyna.”
Poster 2: “Dude, let it go. It was his vision; he used Kristanna, end of story.
People who will accept the true concept will do so.
People who won’t accept it will not...and are really stupid.”
Moderator: “People just don’t seem to understand that since it was JC’s call to use whom he chose. “
Thread Starter: “Don’t get all worked up about this guys. They did release the movie to the public, which leaves it open to fans critiquing and discussing it.”
Poster 3: “I think this guy has a point. If you don’t agree with him, you don’t agree with him. No need to jump down his throat.”
Moderator: “Disagreeing with James Cameron is wrong. Period. Furthermore
You guys are looking at it wrong.
You have no legitimate points form your posts at all.
Again, you are stuck in this literal (and useless) definition of better.
Oh, and your ego’s big, whatever that has to do with anything.”
While my love of comics pales in comparison to my love of Star Wars, there’s a reason I spend far more time in the Comic Forums than I do here. Tron, Digimark007 and Paola would never jump on you for an opinion that just happens to disagree with theirs. As a matter of fact, of all the forums here this is the only one in which a moderator does such things. Great example for others.
“How is it balanced by only having one side in control? It’s like a dictatorship, where everything is happy because everyone is forced to have one opinion. This also breeds rebellion, which could be molded to the perspective of sith/darksiders, construed to be "unbalancing" from the Jedi point of view.”
Originally posted by Crease
Thread Starter: “I think James Cameron should’ve used Chyna instead of Kristanna Loken for the T-X in Terminator 3. “Poster 1: “I’m sure he had a good reason.”
Moderator: “JC has already stated he was looking for a slim female to show that the T-X’s superiority wasn’t about size, but that from a technology standpoint she was waaaaaay beyond the Terminator. Must we do this again?”
Thread Starter: “I can see WHY he used her, I just think the fight scenes would’ve been sweeter with a muscle-bound Chyna.”
Poster 2: “Dude, let it go. It was his vision; he used Kristanna, end of story.
People who will accept the true concept will do so.
People who won’t accept it will not...and are really stupid.”Moderator: “People just don’t seem to understand that since it was JC’s call to use whom he chose. “
Thread Starter: “Don’t get all worked up about this guys. They did release the movie to the public, which leaves it open to fans critiquing and discussing it.”
Poster 3: “I think this guy has a point. If you don’t agree with him, you don’t agree with him. No need to jump down his throat.”
Moderator: “Disagreeing with James Cameron is wrong. Period. Furthermore
You guys are looking at it wrong.
You have no legitimate points form your posts at all.
Again, you are stuck in this literal (and useless) definition of better.
Oh, and your ego’s big, whatever that has to do with anything.”While my love of comics pales in comparison to my love of Star Wars, there’s a reason I spend far more time in the Comic Forums than I do here. Tron, Digimark007 and Paola would never jump on you for an opinion that just happens to disagree with theirs. As a matter of fact, of all the forums here this is the only one in which a moderator does such things. Great example for others.
“How is it balanced by only having one side in control? It’s like a dictatorship, where everything is happy because everyone is forced to have one opinion. This also breeds rebellion, which could be molded to the perspective of sith/darksiders, construed to be "unbalancing" from the Jedi point of view.”
i'm sorry, i dont have time to read all this, and its a shame, because
im sure you would have succeeded in convincing me that george lucas
is wrong about the plot he made up and described in detail.
thank god we have fanboys!
a fanboy is the type of person who will argue with samuel l. jackson over how to properly switch on a lightsaber...or the type to tell george lucas that he's wrong about the definition of a word "balance", which he chose for that very context (peace and harmony/lack of disturbance).
thats what fanboys do.
you contradict the man right to the core and heart of his story, the simplest point of the plot. its not like i left it open for debate. he said
that anakin brings balance to the force by making the sith extinct. end of story as far as GL and all of his rational fans.
and yet you probably watch the films 10 timesmore than any of us...
😆 so analysis means you're a fanboy. Please. Maybe watching the film more times helps you see the subtleties of it.
I think fanboydom is holding Star Wars so sacred that nothing can touch it...kind of like you PVS. Imo its fanboys dont questionin, they simply absorb.
You imply that you are one of these rational fans. But to be rational two things must happen. First, the claims must be sensible. Both my view and yours are. Second, thought must be invovled. While you just accept whatever you're told, I actually look at what GL said and examined the validity of his claimed. I looked for a second edge to the sword instead of simply flat out denying its existance. I think its there.
Originally posted by Alliance
Thiks like the sith not being destroyed were my mistake, I was thinking in EU terms, which is not cannon/admissible into these discussions.The term "balance" doesn't make sense. Any artist can't re-denotate every word he wants. If Lucas would have used the word "harmony" it would have been more sensical.
No apology is neede for factual evidence. AT-ATs ahve four legs. This is a physical concept. The force is an abstract concept. There are multiple interpretations of all abstract concepts that currently come to mind.
There is a connection between SW and the real world. SW is a metaphor. You can take this and stencil it onto the real world. Everything in SW is based on things Lucas took from his life. All art relects upon the real world. Lucas, like all artists, made his art. But is was publically displayed, which opens it to credible analysis.
The only reasom 'Balance' does not make sense to you is because you are looking at it wrong. Again, go back, check, Symbiosis (Balance) vs. Parasite (Imbalance). The Light Side lives in harmony with itself. Balance. The Dark Side upsets and destroys. Imbalance.
The Force is a REAL concept INSIDE STAR WARS. It is an actual presence, not just a point of philosophy. It's just like there being magic in a fantasy setting. The creator of such a fantasy setting makes up the rules for the magic, and you cannot argue them. GL has made up the rules for the Force- and you cannot argue them.
Now, GL DOES inject many elements of belief into his story. He makes comment on Democracy, and the way morals shouyld be taught to kids. If you think all this is wrong, fine, argue that all you like. But that is absolutely not in the slightest bit the same as arguing the intenral mechanics of how GL's own Galaxy works. Arguing that is simple futility and very much looks like straight out arrogance- "I don;t like what GL says so I am going to pretend I can totally change how his creation works." Feeble.
And don't try and imply that those saying this are narrow minded. We simply aren;t silly enough to deny that red is red. After all, if I was not able to analyse both sides of an argument, I wouldn't think your views on Balance and how you think these things should work are all crap, would I? That's even if you did have the right to argue them, btw. I find your position shallow and without value. But luckily, as you don't have the right to try and argue such facts, it doesn't matter.
Crease, try and grt with the programme. This is not about opinions. If you want to say GL is silly to have done things the way he did, go right ahead. But this has been about facts, and no matter how much you want to say otherwise these ARE facts, undeniable.
Originally posted by Alliance
😆 so analysis means you're a fanboy.
nice try.
no, irrational analysis against the set structure of the plot and characters is the act of a fanboy. like for instance, if i sit here and argue that han solo was a woman, or that the death stars didnt actually blow up, but were transported to another dimension by palpatine just in the nick of time and are in fact undamaged, or that the good guys were actually evil and the sith really did want peace and harmony. stupid shit like that.
put it this way: if you contradict GL to the point where he would laugh in your face upon bringing it up, you're a fanboy. 😖 oh shit, i hate jeff foxworthy, and dont want to go on a "you know you're a fanboy when...." bit, so why dont you just comprehend the obvious and we can move on.
you are wrong, george lucas is correct, get over it, move on, find closure.
(Sighs)...First, I've never argued against "the internal mechanics of how GL's own Galaxy works". And unless I misunderstood his posts I don't think Alliance was either. I fully understand that when GL wrote the prophecy stating Anakin was "to bring balance to the Force" he meant that Anakin was to destroy the Sith. In Lucas's mind, and thus in the Star Wars universe, the Dark Side causes an imbalance in the Force. The thread starter stated HE thought it meant there should be 2 Jedi and 2 Sith. While in the real world that would qualify as balance, he was wrong. As a matter of fact Ushgarak's second post said it perfectly:
"It is not two natural competing forces. It is one force that is meant to be there, and one that is not. The Light Side is what is meant to be. The Dark Side is nothing but evil and corruption to it. The Light Side IS the force of balance- things are balanced when it is in power. The Dark Side imbalances, by its very nature"
You can find no post of mine that debates this. My problem is how a few here (including a mod) took offence to Alliance first post critiquing Lucas:
"I don't like that view. I think Lucas presents a confusing point. WHy have two sides of the force, but then say that the force is "balanced" when only the light side is in control?"
Seems a perfectly legitimate question to me. Tangible God then posted:
By "balance to the Force" I think Lucas tried to imply "Stability."
To which Alliance responded:
"I like the word stable better, but then why did Lucas use "balance"?
Apparently this statement makes him stupid 😕 Normally I don't take up another guys fight. He seems intelligent enough to defend himself, but this isn't the first time something like this has happened on THIS forum. While I can't speak for Alliance, I in no way intended to debate my "knowledge of the Force" vs GL's. It's his shit.
Second, I begrudgingly apologize for this post:
"You can. Those with their head stuck up Lucas's @$$ forget what forums are about."
Obviously a post like this doesn't help the situation, and I can see how one might believe ego played a part in it. This post is actually the result of frustration after realizing that, once again, people were inappropriately saying "Because GL said so". Ergo my Terminator parody, which attempted to show you what it looks like to criticize someone for criticizing someone else.
Lastly, it appears PVS wants to momentarily change the definition of "fanboyism" to suit his argument or lack thereof. But then again...He's entitled to interpret fanboyism however he chooses 😉
Originally posted by PVS
"...Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings Balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..." -George ****ing Lucasend of discussion
*posted in the correct thread 😂