ROTS Tyranus vs. ROTS Anakin and ROTJ Luke

The script, movie, and commentary firmly support that Anakin > Dooku in sheer lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat.

Anakin is grotesquely powerful in the Force, and the only two people whom I believe could defeat Anakin in combat as of RotS would be Yoda and Palpatine.

Can he stop Force lightning with his bare hands? Not likely. But, he is quicker than Dooku, and stronger as well, and therefore should have no problem repulsing Dooku's Force lightning - should he use his head.

Dooku's Force powers and control would give him an edge in individual combat, but I would say that Anakin and Luke could best the Sith Lord.

1. The fighting form is what enabled Kenobi to halt Dooku's Force lightning? It's completely ridiculous. Dooku launched a volley of Force lightning and it was simply negated by Kenobi's lightsaber, which he held up - one handed.

2. She's right, you know. Mace's Vaapad is a proven aggressive form of lightsaber combat, and yet Mace was able to fend off Sidious's lightning at point blank range, and Sidious > Dooku in the Force.

3. Anakin was nailed by lightning because he charged in with his saber in his hand. He made no attempt to block the lightning, but charged in like a reek.

Anakin can block Force lightning.

1) One handed means you don't use a form? Okay, so . . . Dooku doesn't use a form by your logic, then?

2) Mace was struggling to keep the Lightning down, notice this. And Vaapad utilizes alot of defense as well, seeing as the form surrounds in everything including defense.

3) I wonder why no attempt was made. Hmm . . .

Prove it, Escape.

Originally posted by Escape81
The script, movie, and commentary firmly support that Anakin > Dooku in sheer lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat.

Who said different? I said Dooku could stomp Anakin in terms of Force at that point. And the tables could turn if they fought again.

It's not like:
Anakin > Dooku
Anakin > Dooku
Anakin > Dooku

Everytime they Lightsaber duel.

Anakin is grotesquely powerful in the Force, and the only two people whom I believe could defeat Anakin in combat as of RotS would be Yoda and Palpatine.

You forgot Kenobi, whom tore off three of his limbs ans showed to be on par when it comes to force power.

Can he stop Force lightning with his bare hands? Not likely. But, he is quicker than Dooku, and stronger as well, and therefore should have no problem repulsing Dooku's Force lightning - should he use his head.

It doesn't matter if he's quicker. He may lack the skill to block it.

Dooku's Force powers and control would give him an edge in individual combat, but I would say that Anakin and Luke could best the Sith Lord.

Now it's obvious Dooku could last long enough to kill Luke. (He fended off Kenobi and Anakin on the Invisible Hand.)

All he'd have to do is basically kill Luke and then maybe just begin to Force choke Anakin and then while choking him, blast him with Lightning or something. Dooku has been seen to do movements like that. Why not do it against Anakin?

Originally posted by Xavius
3) I wonder why no attempt was made. Hmm . . .

Really? Isn't it obvious? He was rushing in, he literally ran in and the script says as much as "at the last moment". So, if someone is rushing me with a katana, and I pull a gun out at the last moment and fire a shot off - what makes you think he'd have a chance to dodge it?

Anakin was like five feet away before Dooku fired and was running. And AOTC Anakin is nothing in comparison to ROTS Anakin.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Really? Isn't it obvious? He was rushing in, he literally ran in and the script says as much as "at the last moment". So, if someone is rushing me with a katana, and I pull a gun out at the last moment and fire a shot off - what makes you think he'd have a chance to dodge it?

Anakin was like five feet away before Dooku fired and was running. And AOTC Anakin is nothing in comparison to ROTS Anakin.

If he could not block it before, what makes you think he attained the skill to block it again?

Sure, he gained incredible amounts of power and speed AND trained in his form but this is not evidence that he can block Lightning. He's still a Jedi Knight. Even though he does have the potential to be extremely powerful, he's still a Knight. That is Kenobi was able to outduel him and they were on par when it came to the force.

Dooku raised his hand. Anakin must've been really f*cking dumb to miss that one.

Doesn't Lucas say that only Yoda, Mace and Pre-Suit Vader could compete with Palpatine ?

And you think that Kenobi padded his brave padawan to head after their embarrassing performance with Dooku in AOTC?

Im sure that they had several dozen hours of practise after that gig to correct Anakins major flaws....

Anakin was surely scolded by Obi1 offscreen.

Originally posted by Xavius
If he could not block it before, what makes you think he attained the skill to block it again?

Because you're using a completely different situation. He couldn't block it because he wasn't:

a.) Prepared.
b.) Dooku did it last second.
c.) What you stated below (incredible amounts of speed, power, training).

What "skill"? This skill? The one where Obi-Wan just puts up his lightsaber? Watch it. Seriously, does that look like a skill? It's the equivalent of blocking blaster bolts. Just put your saber up. Of course, you have to be powerful to do this. I doubt Ashla would be able to accomplish such, however, Anakin is powerful as we know.

Sure, he gained incredible amounts of power and speed AND trained in his form but this is not evidence that he can block Lightning. He's still a Jedi Knight. Even though he does have the potential to be extremely powerful, he's still a Knight. That is Kenobi was able to outduel him and they were on par when it came to the force.

And? So, you have to be a Jedi Master to block Force lightning? Now that's absurd. And seriously, Anakin is a better lightsaber duelist than Kenobi. Kenobi prolonged the fight until the point that Anakin couldn't win. I.e. Terrain advantage. On even ground, Anakin would've won even in his state of mind.

In fact, when Anakin is thinking clearly - I believe in RODV, isn't it stated he's the best duelist of the Order?

Dooku raised his hand. Anakin must've been really f*cking dumb to miss that one. [/B]

He was five feet away from Dooku when he did that. He was charging, he wasn't standing there like Obi-Wan. Along with the fact he's far less inexperienced.

so? knowing anakin and dooku, the same thing will happen. Dooku jumps backward, anakin rushes at him and dooku uses lightning and anakin, who was charging to close ground, will be blown away and lay on the ground knowcked out for half a minute, more than enough time for dooku to WTFpwn luke.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
so? knowing anakin and dooku, the same thing will happen. Dooku jumps backward, anakin rushes at him and dooku uses lightning and anakin, who was charging to close ground, will be blown away and lay on the ground knowcked out for half a minute, more than enough time for dooku to WTFpwn luke.

Yeah, really. Did you see Dooku do that in ROTS? No.

And, as always I'll say because AOTC Anakin has the same amount of power, pain threshold, and experience as he does in ROTS, right? Quit bullsh*tting.

AOTC Anakin is not on the same level as ROTS Anakin. And who is to say Anakin won't chop Dooku's hands off a la their encounter on the Invisible Hand?

And half a minute? Yeah, considering he was able to fully recover in that minute in AOTC, and had enough strength to leap to his master's rescue, and then duel wih Dooku, I doubt he'll sit there aimlessly.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Yeah, really. Did you see Dooku do that in ROTS? No.

And, as always I'll say because AOTC Anakin has the same amount of power, pain threshold, and experience as he does in ROTS, right? Quit bullsh*tting.

AOTC Anakin is not on the same level as ROTS Anakin. And who is to say Anakin won't chop Dooku's hands off a la their encounter on the Invisible Hand?

And half a minute? Yeah, considering he was able to fully recover in that minute in AOTC, and had enough strength to leap to his master's rescue, and then duel wih Dooku, I doubt he'll sit there aimlessly.

WTF is with all the n00bs who think Anakin is better than Tyranus?

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In fact, when Anakin is thinking clearly - I believe in RODV, isn't it stated he's the best duelist of the Order?

No he's not Mace or Yoda would pwn him silly

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
quote:
In fact, when Anakin is thinking clearly - I believe in RODV, isn't it stated he's the best duelist of the Order?

No he's not Mace or Yoda would pwn him silly

If they can, Tyranus would do too(except to a much more darker degree). Put 2 & 2 together Skywalker fanboys. . .

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
WTF is with all the n00bs who think Anakin is better than Tyranus?

n00b? Yeah. Considering you really contribute jack to debates.

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
quote:
In fact, when Anakin is thinking clearly - I believe in RODV, isn't it stated he's the best duelist of the Order?

No he's not Mace or Yoda would pwn him silly

Did I say he was? I asked a question for anyone who has RODV. Learn how to quote.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
n00b? Yeah. Considering you really contribute jack to debates.

Did I say he was? I asked a question for anyone who has RODV. Learn how to quote.

Want a contribution? Fine. Dooku has EIGHTY YEARS of training under his belt. Please don't say that his age is a problem, in the SW universe that means absolutely nothing. Dooku also has mastery over the force and form 2 makashi. Anakin has only TWENTY-FOUR years of training. To add to that he has a long list of emotional problems. In ROTS Dooku was told to incapacitate Kenobi and once done to tempt the now vulnerable Skywalker to the dark side of the force. Dooku was supposed to take it easy and eventually lose. Luke is Luke. He will get tossed in the first few minutes. Face the "Chosen One" isn't that good.
Suck on that. . .

One thing is pretty funny. I'm supposedly addressed as a "Skywalker fanboy", yet you're the one who's usernames are practically dedicated to Dooku, lol.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Want a contribution?

Yeah.

Dooku has EIGHTY YEARS of training under his belt. Please don't that his age is a problem, in the SW universe that means absolutely nothing.

Why would I think that? I was just defending Dooku on his age in the "Yoda and Dooku vs Sidious and Mace" thread.

Dooku also has mastery over the force and form 2 makashi.

Okay.

Anakin has only TWENTY-FOUR years of training.

Remind me how many years Kun had in comparison to Vodo, 600 year old Jedi Master? To Odan? Thousand year old Jedi Master. Or Maul to Qui-Gon Jinn?

To add to that he has a long list of emotional problems. In ROTS Dooku was told to incapacitate Kenobi and once done to tempt the now vulnerable Skywalker to the dark side of the force. Dooku was supposed to take it easy and eventually lose.

Apparently the ROTS novelization points out the fact that it started out out that way, however, during the course of their encounter Dooku realizes he cannot control Anakin and proceeds to give it his all.

Razielim, I believe it was, made a good point in a different thread:

And why would Sidious want Anakin over Dooku if Dooku was so superior? Potential is great, sure, but the attack on the Jedi Temple and the Jedi Purge was going to happen in a few days.

Luke is Luke. He will get tossed in the first few minutes.

Try first few seconds.

Face the "Chosen One" isn't that good.

I don't even like Anakin. I don't like Dooku either. In fact, I hate movie characters. So my opinion isn't "blinded" by favoritism. The "Chosen One" is good however.

Suck on that. . .

Suck on what? Who do you think you are now? Degeneration-X?

I'm not basing my argument off of the novel I'm going by what the script by GL says. Sidious belived Anakin to be more powerful. All Anakin ever had was potential not real power.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
I'm not basing my argument off of the novel I'm going by what the script by GL says.

Point out what it says. Where in the script does it say Dooku > Anakin?

The movie as well proves my argument. Look at Dooku and Palpatine right before he dies.

Dooku: How you gonna play me like that?

Palpatine: Sith happens. . .

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
The movie as well proves my argument. Look at Dooku and Palpatine right before he dies.

Dooku: How you gonna play me like that?

Palpatine: Sith happens. . .

Lol.