...Okay? I read it the first time, there's no need to repeat it again, elmtirk
And Xavius, if you'd like we can "agree to disagree" - as much as I hate to say it (well seems I'm fond of it actually) - you are giving me nothing, and not accepting a thing. Likewise, I'm not accepting much you throw out anyways. Mainly this is because I'm tired of repeating myself and arguing in circles with you, when you're not going anywhere. Especially considering you and I are the only ones arguing about Force lightning of all things.
I'll get to the rest of your sad rebuttal later. For now:
Don't mind me while I just step on ahead with this.
Define "cheap talk", because I see you responding and using your own.
Cheap talk is the crap you spew out of your mouth. Defintion cleared.
Funny - this is one thing I have time to address out of your absurd arguments:Insulting.
It would be nice if you could dig up the quote that I was replying to with that Lobotomy comment?
That's what I thought.
Btw, read the article on Lightsaber forms? Yes, Vaapad is an extension of Juyo. However, it combines from Form V. Did I ever say it was Form V's extension? No, it draws from Form V however. Difference, learn it.
Vaapad is more Juyo than it is Shien. That's a given.
Learn that Juyo has Soresu in it.
Oh, and insult.
Insult.
Thanks, tips.
Point out these "pseudo linguistics" if you will. I'll see if you can name them in that quote you said it for. If you're referring to PMS (the only word that a 8 year old wouldn't understand) then it's just sad, because every woman should know of that. You're sad attempts at discrediting fail because you just make the claim, and don't point jack sh*t out.
Want me to point out the Pseudo linguistics?
Here's more:
Point out these "pseudo linguistics" if you will. I'll see if you can name them in that quote you said it for. If you're referring to PMS (the only word that a 8 year old wouldn't understand) then it's just sad, because every woman should know of that. You're sad attempts at discrediting fail because you just make the claim, and don't point jack sh*t out.
^ More useless crap that has nothing to do with this argument. Drop the semantics, you bloody baby.
And yours? They just completely lack rationality and logic altogether so you're the last person who should be asking any one for proof.
What the hell are YOU talking about?
You're arguments are "Kenobi can block lightning, so Anakin automatically can. Anakin is stronger than Kenobi. Lightsabers eat Lightning. Two hands do not make Lightning more powerful."
^ All that shit is wrong and you dare even attempt to degrade my arguments? Ha . . . Ha . . . Ha.
Not so much an insult, but insulting. You claim to have more proof (when you don't) than me. Then you say "all we have is opinion. 'Cept mine is higher 'cuz I'm the smug bastard known as 'Xavius'!". "You have . . . NO proof. Just an opinion as I do." - Xavius.
You don't have "better" or "more" proof than me, Xavius. Or else all you'd have to do is post one paragraph of solid facts. You can't/don't/haven't.
The things I've been coming out with are alot more logically stable than what you've been saying. You've basically coming out with crap, such as Lightsaber forms don't matter when it comes to blocking.
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously?
You constantly throw terms around like you're flinging monkey sh*t, make stuff up that isn't true, reword my arguments in your statements so they seem weaker, and overall you're just a joke.
I'm the joke? All that shit you just previously posted had NOTHING to do with our argument. Seems as if you're dancing around the point.
Next time, post something relevant.
Because all of this shit . . . Is MOOT!
It's all talk. It has nothing to do with our debate. This is f*cking ridiculous.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
...Okay? I read it the first time, there's no need to repeat it again, elmtirkAnd Xavius, if you'd like we can "agree to disagree" - as much as I hate to say it (well seems I'm fond of it actually) - you are giving me nothing, and not accepting a thing. Likewise, I'm not accepting much you throw out anyways. Mainly this is because I'm tired of repeating myself and arguing in circles with you, when you're not going anywhere. Especially considering you and I are the only ones arguing about Force lightning of all things.
Basically I feel the same way. I feel your arguments lacked Logical grounding and any sort of rationality that is coherent with the Star Wars Universe. I found you said the same shit over and over again without paying attention to most of my refutes but just kind of drifting off task and ranting.
Basically, we just b*tched about each other and got that out. I say we agree to disagree, because we could go on forever.
Learn that Juyo has Soresu in it.
I just want to see where this statement came from? I've read the article by David West Reynolds, and I didn't come across any mention of Form III other than the fact it talks about drawing from parts of Form V, and Form IV (Ataru).
Has nothing to do with continuing.
Originally posted by Legion_of_Maul
He's not IKC people
As much is obvious.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
I just want to see where this statement came from? I've read the article by David West Reynolds, and I didn't come across any mention of Form III other than the fact it talks about drawing from parts of Form V, and Form IV (Ataru).Has nothing to do with continuing.
As much is obvious.
It draws from all seven forms a little bit.
Originally posted by Xavius
I wish I could remember that damned article now . . . It pisses me off, but It was posted in a blog on Starwars.com and it had canonical information about all seven Lightsaber forms.I wish I could get ahold of that again. It was quite useful.
I think you are talking about Niman.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Oh man, fear Xavius. He's not here to impress, he's here to embarrass himself.First off, not a "dude". So, don't address me as such.
"Dude", did you not see AOTC? How Kenobi just raised his saber up with one hand? Seriously, tell me how [b]STANDING
in ONE SPOT and raising your saber with ONE HAND is a reflection of your saber style.As much is obvious, but tell me where it's even implied his form had anything to do with it when we've seen lightning being blocked by Yoda and Mace?
Sadly Vaapad does not require Soresu mastery. It is not a defensive form. Not to mention Vaapad even draws from Form V.
Do you read what you type? Yeah, I'd submit that's quite a bit stupider. As well, you've yet to prove anything. All you're saying is "z0mg ridiculus!" and "hehehe hypocriet!!!!". You throw sh*t around (literally), act like you have Premenstrual Syndrome, and don't accomplish anything.
Ignoring the essence of skill? Lol. Anakin is more skilled than Kenobi, Anakin is stronger than Kenobi. Anakin is more agile than Kenobi. Kenobi effortlessly blocked Dooku's lightning with one hand. Tell me, please, what in God's name kind of skill did Kenobi show when he did that? You're spewing around that his saber style is defensive, therefore that's the reason he can block lightning, but no - ignore the fact Mace can, and come up with "z0mg he's experienced so he c4n" typical bullsh*t. Really now.
Show me where the prerequisites for blocking lightning are, and you'll have an argument.
Lol, maneuver now? All he did was RAISE his lightsaber, is that really a maneuver? Watch the AOTC scene and you'll see just how facilely Obi-Wan defends.
I never said he can resist it because of that. I said he'll have a better grip than Kenobi. As well, AOTC Anakin was:
1.) Rushing in (and sorry, watch the AOTC movie - not the script - Anakin never puts his lightsaber up in defense, if anything it's only describing the fact he rushed in).
2.) Far less experienced.
3.) Far less powerful.So, you comparing AOTC Anakin to ROTS Anakin is pretty asinine seeing as how they are completely different.
I'm sure raising your lightsaber requires great skill.
No, is Mace the same person as Obi-Wan? No.
Can Anakin raise his lightsaber? Yes.
He's built stronger than Obi-Wan is. So, I'm not sure where your "size matters" goes here when the advantage goes to Anakin.
Do you know? No. For all I know they could be the same speed. If anything Anakin > Kenobi in this aspect too. Add to the statement: these are all irrelevant.
Well, as long as you continue to post bullsh*t - I'm going to have to continuously reply. Your entire point is they're not the same person - well no sh*t. However, Anakin possessing more skill, more agility, more raw power, more strength is the reason why I'm even arguing.
Answer me this: Do you own AOTC? If you answered "YES" to this question, put it on and watch Obi-Wan raise his lightsaber (and that's ALL he does) and the lightning goes straight to Kenobi's saber. He doesn't even move! Seriously explain to me:
a.) How that's a maneuver.
b.) How that would require a huge amount of skill.And, you're going to say "saber styles!!". Do saber styles change the power of your lightsaber? No. Anakin can block blaster bolts, except he turns them into offensive moves. Form V was developed by Form III masters. So he can't hold up his saber when there is an amount of lightning heading towards him?
You're right atm I don't have access to comics or anything of the like, nor would I want to get them anyways. Right now I have simple facts, and common sense. You have...neither. All you have is lame tactics like responding entirely as saying "H1PP0CRIT!!///1", and "REP33TER", and "z0mg SAB3r 5TY135!!/! 1 h4v3 PM5!!".
Have you shown me anything solid?
Good, sound logic. The thing is - the lightsaber is an inanimate object. Can I redirect you to Mace and Sidious' fight? What happened btw? Mace was able to block Sidious' constant two handed lightning. He was struggling to hold it down no doubt, but Sidious is more powerful than Dooku anyways. To think that it's just going to fly because he adds another hand is ludacris. Why? Because if that were true, Dooku would use it at every turn if he were smart. Is Dooku smart? Yes. Does he use it every chance? No.
See what I mean?
Yes, because Anakin raised his lightsaber before Dooku expressed feeling to surge out lightning? Yeah, that doesn't makes sense. Also, watch the movie - where's Anakin's saber raised again? Nowhere? Yeah, that's where.
Where did AOTC prove this on the account of lightning? That Yoda blocked it without a lightsaber? Yoda absorbed, and reflected the Count's lightning. Saber form matters there?
Anakin didn't try to defend. Watch the movie. The script line itself doesn't make sense anyways. And stop calling it "advanced defensive maneuvers" - Yoda blocked it without a saber, Mace blocked it with Vaapad (which has NO connection to any defensive styles, and it actually draws from Anakin's form), and Obi-Wan blocked it by just raising his lightsaber, he didn't do anything fancy
The reason it was blocked was why? The lightning gets "absorbed" into the lightsaber. Does saber form affect power of the lightsaber? I think not.
In all honesty, you cannot sit there and say it was difficult nor advanced. All he did was lift his arm up. As well, are you telling me Anakin can't block or something?
It'll double in power. You manage to accomplish nothing. Mace defended against lightning from a more powerful foe two handed.
That's not what you read. Unless well, you can't read. That must be the problem.
Right. Except for the fact my evidence is more than just "Kenobi can do it so Anakin can too". What's your evidence again?
Firstly,what I did it's called a "recap" as in "recapitulation" - you do know what that means right?
Applies for all the "z0mg UR REPEATING URSELF!" crap you spewed.
If you're a doctor, I fear for the world. Maybe you need to see a doctor, and get a lobotomy. [/B]
😆 That cracks me up.
Dr. Xavius = ownt.
Yes, but some of your points were ridiculous.
1. The fighting form is what enabled Kenobi to halt Dooku's Force lightning? It's completely ridiculous. Dooku launched a volley of Force lightning and it was simply negated by Kenobi's lightsaber, which he held up - one handed.
2. She's right, you know. Mace's Vaapad is a proven aggressive form of lightsaber combat, and yet Mace was able to fend off Sidious's lightning at point blank range, and Sidious > Dooku in the Force.
3. Anakin was nailed by lightning because he charged in with his saber in his hand. He made no attempt to block the lightning, but charged in like a reek.
Anakin can block Force lightning.