ROTS Tyranus vs. ROTS Anakin and ROTJ Luke

Started by Razielim15 pages
Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Learn how to quote and I'll continue the debate. . .

Alrighty then! 🙂

Originally posted by Razielim
Alrighty then! 🙂

Good. Now then on the site(several actually)Anakin' profiles state that he has many emotional problems. The fact that his mother died in his arms drove him a little of the edge, The fact that one of his best friends(Qui-Gonn) died, the wisdom of the council clashing with his personall ambitions, his friendship with Palpatine(who constantly shows the "goodness" in giving in to the emotions, and finally Padme's friendship with Kenobi makes him twice as angry as he already was. All those emotions bear down on him and take away from his concentration and make him lose focus. Without focusing he will surely get his other arm lopped off.

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Good. Now then on the site(several actually)Anakin' profiles state that he has many emotional problems.

I believe this is referring to Anakin in general. By RotS, Anakin had matured. By RotS, it didn't really affect his combat (save on Mustafar, but that was due to his wife leaving him)

The fact that his mother died in his arms drove him a little of the edge

AotC Anakin was terribly emotionally unstable, and that really limited him as a far. But by RotS, Anakin had matured.

The fact that one of his best friends(Qui-Gonn) died, the wisdom of the council clashing with his personall ambitions, his friendship with Palpatine(who constantly shows the "goodness" in giving in to the emotions,

These three things didn't take a visible effect on his combat abilities.

and finally Padme's friendship with Kenobi makes him twice as angry as he already was. All those emotions bear down on him and take away from his concentration and make him lose focus.

He wasn't really mad over the fact that she was friends with Obi-Wan; but by the end of RotS Vader thought that Padme has betrayed him and joined the "Jedi traitors" against the Empire. He lost his cool here because Padme arrived and said "You're breaking my heart, you're evil, i don't wanna be with you, Obi-Wan was right..." and guess who comes out of her ship? Obi-Wan Kenobi. This caused him to act all stupid, not Kenobi's simple friendship with Padme.

Since this kind of emotional stress is absent in this fight, I'm inclined to think the Skywalkers win.

Razielim is correct.

count dooku can not use his force abilities on them both the skywalkers would take it anakin would go in head first with speed and aggression while Luke would take it slow mabe just distracting dooku so anakin could go in for the kill

Originally posted by anakin 106
count dooku can not use his force abilities on them both the skywalkers would take it anakin would go in head first with speed and aggression while Luke would take it slow mabe just distracting dooku so anakin could go in for the kill

Use force lightning on one Force chokes the other. 😎

Assuming both hands are in tact.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
Assuming both hands are in tact.

In Kotor 2 Kreia does not need a hand to do any of thos 💃 e powers

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
In Kotor 2 Kreia does not need a hand to do any of thos 💃 e powers

Sadly she can't produce two Force powers at once.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Sadly she can't produce two Force powers at once.

Dooku force pulled Quinlan Vos' lightsaber from him and force choked him 😈

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
Dooku force pulled Quinlan Vos' lightsaber from him and force choked him 😈

And this matters somehow...? Dooku force chokes Luke. One hand left to use. Force lightning at Anakin. He blocks it and kills Dooku a la Revenge of the Sith. Anakin wins.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
And this matters somehow...? Dooku force chokes Luke. One hand left to use. Force lightning at Anakin. He blocks it and kills Dooku a la Revenge of the Sith. Anakin wins.

Force chokes Luke fends off Ani with Lightsaber 😱

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
Force chokes Luke fends off Ani with Lightsaber 😱

Yeah, and while he attempts to fend off Anakin with a lightsaber. The hand he's using to choke Luke is cut off, then while Dooku is on his knees (for more reasons than one), Anakin beheads him. Bye, Dooku.

So I suppose this argument is decided by now?

Luke is powerful enough to give Dooku a run for his money on his own. Yes Im serious... you Luke haters. Add Anakin to the mix, and you have an indisputable Skywalker victory on your hands.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Luke is powerful enough to give Dooku a run for his money on his own. Yes Im serious... you Luke haters. Add Anakin to the mix, and you have an indisputable Skywalker victory on your hands.

How is Luke able to give Dooku a run for his money again? Oh, with the no formal training he's received? Or his amazing no Force mastery? Or hell, maybe even the not even close to saber mastery? Yes, he'll give Dooku "a run for his money". As in Luke actually runs away with Dooku's money.

Really though, Luke isn't even on par with someone like AOTC Kenobi, who Dooku beat the piss out of. Maybe AOTC Anakin *and that's still giving him too much credit* whom Dooku toyed with and pwned quite easily.

Seriously, give some proof as to why Luke stands a chance with his "amazing" credentials.

I forgot! Maybe he'll stop Dooku by making a fool out of himself and getting his lightsaber knocked out of his hands by a lowly mercenary or possibly unleash his strike out tantrum. I mean really, I'd submit Vader fell to the ground because of laughing so hard at the moron in front of him.

But yeah - "run for his money"? Ha. No.

Though the Skywalkers still win anyways.

Luke Skywalker isn't even on Zett Jukassa's level imo.

Oh, with the no formal training he's received?

It's presumed he spent several months doing intense training with Yoda along with hours with Ben.

Or his amazing no Force mastery?

I've never seen him exert him with the force. He has no trouble deflecting blaster shots or lifting C3P0. He managed to fight through dozens of Black Son guards (These guys were "worthy adversaries" to Maul) and fight off a bunch of crooks on Jabba's Barge, including Boba Fett!

Or hell maybe even the not even close to saber mastery?

Luke doesn't suck with a saber. People need to learn to pay attention.
He only starts sucking after "DAAAAARRRRRRRTTTHHHHH!".

He's not as good as Dooku, though.

Don't forget he used Force Choke on two guards very easily.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Oh, with the no formal training he's received?

I believe one on one training with Yoda himself (an honor afforded to no one else before him) could be considered formal training.

Or his amazing no Force mastery? Or hell, maybe even the not even close to saber mastery?

Assumptions. Do you have any proof that Luke had weak force or saber mastery?

Really though, Luke isn't even on par with someone like AOTC Kenobi, who Dooku beat the piss out of. Maybe AOTC Anakin *and that's still giving him too much credit* whom Dooku toyed with and pwned quite easily.

Insulting. 😠

Seriously, give some proof as to why Luke stands a chance with his "amazing" credentials.

Along with what Razielim already said, Luke was more powerful than Vader, who was 80% of Palpatine.

I doubt Dooku is that much higher than 80% when compared to Palpatine, hence I suggested it would be a good match.

Your really bias against Luke, though I shouldnt be suprised being most of the forum is anyway. 🙄

Luke was not stronger then Vader. Vader was able to blast people with his red lightning.