Originally posted by Xavius
You have to have had to master other forms to use it and Mace has had years and YEARS of experience with Lightsaber usage. He's a Lightsaber dueling prodigy, Motoko.
Sorry that you cannot come up with the proof. I cannot just take your word for it that it draws from Soresu. The article in Insider on lightsaber forms doesn't state a thing about Soresu, rather Form V and Form IV. Ataru and Djem So. And Anakin is some kind of speck when it comes to lightsaber abilities? He's superior to Dooku - who's has 70+ years of training under his belt and uses the lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat form. How old is Anakin again? Prodigy? Yeah, I'd say so.
Sorry, I didn't quite elaborate on that much. You said since he had grown stronger in the past years, he could block Lightning. That's ridiculous.
Really? As opposed to he got pwned in AOTC by it, therefore he'll be pwned in ROTS by it? Same concept. Ridiculous.
The fact we see Mace, who uses an aggressive saber form, block lightning from a superior Force user tells me something. The fact AOTC Kenobi was able to block Dooku's lightning effortlessly tells me something. You are seriously just arguing around what we've seen and trying to make it sound as if it's is impossible. It isn't.
Less arrogant?
Yeah.
He was arrogant enough to turn over to the Darkside,
Why'd he do that? Padmé.
Arrogant enough to choke his wife over his hellbent need for power,
And did you miss the reason he turned to the Darkside? The reason he helped Palpatine? It was not for power initially. It was for his wife. Who's that? Padmé.
He choked her why exactly? He wasn't thinking clearly? Yeah, that's pretty obvious. Anakin not thinking straight = arrogant bastard. Anakin thinking straight = not as arrogant.
Either way, he will beat Dooku again. He's done it before, he will do it again.
Arrogant enough to scream and rant when he wasn't granted a rank and Arrogant enough to make such a bold flaw in a duel with Kenobi. Less Arrogant? Bullshit, I say.
Did you forget how Anakin's mind was completely clouded by the their duel? You know, considering the entire reason he went to the Darkside was to save Padmé - yet he ended up choking her out. Thinking clearly? No.
I provided an instance where Anakin wasn't arrogant. And was he thinking clearly? Yes. "This time we take him together." - Kenobi. Anakin replies with "I was about to say that...". Arrogant? No. Who was that about?
Seems he learned from before against Dooku, as he will do again here. He was arrogant against Kenobi. Has he faced Kenobi before? No. He was arrogant with the Council? Like Dooku = Council anyways. But take a look: he was not arrogant and headstrong in his duel against Dooku.
And really, as if Dooku's any better? "Double the pride. Double the fall", and "I have become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you." - sadly, the only one who falls is Dooku, and proves he is not the most powerful. And that will happen in this fight.
"You have to have had to master other forms to use it and Mace has had years and YEARS of experience with Lightsaber usage. He's a Lightsaber dueling prodigy, Motoko.
And other forms would include? Two? Lol. One that is "offensive", the other that obviously provided no use for Qui-Gon Jinn, and was the reason Kenobi switched to Soresu.
Copying and pasting your own words, when it isn't consistent of proof is not going to change anything. I'll just say again, Anakin is how old? Dooku has had 70 plus years of training for his resume. This includes:
a.) Jedi teachings.
b.) Sith teachings.
c.) Using the lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat form.
What happened in the beginning of ROTS?...Refresh me, I can't seem to remember...it's kind of blurry - you see I remember Dooku's head rolling on the ground, and Anakin walking away victorious.
Yeah. Anakin seems to qualify for prodigy too.
Djem So is the offensive version of Soresu. OFFENSIVE. It also happens to be one of the most offensive and aggresive forms.
Yeah? "One of the most"? If it's not the least offensive, it can be one of the most offensive. Point being?
It does not count on advanced defense techniques.
And somehow blocking Force lightning is WHOA! AMAZING! OH SO HARD to do. Look at Kenobi. Please look at him. He just stands there and raises his hand! Oh and Vaapad is aggressive, and you haven't shown proof that it even draws from Soresu. So until you do, you cannot just say it and I'll take your word for it.
As much as I may admire your relentless debating skills, it doesn't change the fact I need proof for that assertion if you want it to be considered valid.
Of course, it has some defense, seeing as where it came from, but it doesn't go much further.
And...?
That's like me saying Dooku had applied no skill in dueling Kenobi and Anakin because he wasn't out of breath or showing harsh faces. Dooku was smiling, so maybe he wasn't using his form at all! *GASP* Maybe he was just moving his saber around!!! That doesn't require skill!!! zOmg!
Actually, it isn't the same at all. Kenobi did it effortlessly. And you have no proof that it was a maneuver, that it's even as hard as you're making it out to be, or anything actually concerning how easy Kenobi put up his saber besides "Soresu!". Sorry pal, Windu has an aggressive form. Anakin is a prodigy as well. Put it together and your assumptions seem to be faltering.
On the other hand, I have facts to counter all of what you said above (Dooku not using dueling skill, whatever), therefore they are not the same:
Considering Dooku isn't smiling at the mercy of Anakin Skywalker. See: Dooku on his knees.
Considering we know Dooku gave it his all against Anakin. See: commentary, novelization, and Making of ROTS.
Considering we know he was using Makashi. See: ROTS novelization; common sense.
No, you go back and say "well here's what I have" (concerning Obi-Wan not breathing hard, or blocking it effortlessly):
Considering Kenobi uses Soresu. A defensive form.
Okay? Aggressive and offensive forms (Vaapad) have been shown to block it as well. That counters what you have.
Kenobi is sufficient in using advanced defensive techniques, seeing as his ENTIRE form is based on Defending and blocking. Jesus.
Will you look at the ease of which Kenobi raises his saber? Is this some kind of advanced defensive technique? No. A saber block from Anakin will defend him against the lightning. Are you saying Anakin can't defend against atttacks? Like seriously. Mace uses an aggressive form, and it even draws from Djem So. Kenobi effortlessly blocked Dooku's lightning. Actually I think Kenobi was still a Jedi Knight, or at least had only gotten the rank of Master that year, not that it matters.
And is Mace proficient in using a defensive form? Your proof? None?
My proof? Vaapad draws from two forms apparently, Ataru and Djem So - offensive forms at that.
Of course . . . When it came to Lightsaber combat. I believe Dooku at that point had more Force power and could've won if he did not give into his arrogance and started using the Force to lay the smackdown. Kenobi and Anakin were virtually on par with Force at that point and Dooku layed Kenobi out. [/B]
Too bad for you Dooku went all out. He did not hold back. Anakin > Dooku.