Originally posted by debbiejo
Romans only confirms that paganism was real as today, but with the names changed..........and oh yes, written by that heretic Paul who was a believer in Mithra.
Wow, boy I'm glad 🙄 God took that stuff away from me when I gave my life over to Jesus. Now I am more able to think along the lines of reality.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Romans only confirms that paganism was real as today, but with the names changed..........and oh yes, written by that heretic Paul who was a believer in Mithra.
* i gotta give some credit with ms.debbiejo... she constantly calls Saint Paul a heretic and a Mithra-believer... in which she can never ever prove why... 🙄
Originally posted by peejayd
* i gotta give some credit with ms.debbiejo... she constantly calls Saint Paul a heretic and a Mithra-believer... in which she can never ever prove why... 🙄
You will discover many on this forum peejayd which make undocumented statements. You will note please that my statements are biblical based so that they can't blame me but must go to Him.
Originally posted by Justbyfaith
You will discover many on this forum peejayd which make undocumented statements. You will note please that my statements are biblical based so that they can't blame me but must go to Him.
No one is blaming you. 🙄 We are not out to get you. 😆 We just don't believe like you do. Don't take it personally.
Originally posted by peejaydSaul was convinced from his Mithraistic roots that the Christ would return within his lifetime. After working for such a high ranking High Priest he probably had religious aspirations for himself. Saul decided that Yeshua, (or Jesus for the Greek), was a living Christ.
* i gotta give some credit with ms.debbiejo... she constantly calls Saint Paul a heretic and a Mithra-believer... in which she can never ever prove why... 🙄
Saul is likely to have admired Yeshua immensely and to feel much guilt for persecuting the cult of Yeshua despite it being part of his job. Now not only did it make theological sense to Paul to convert, but it presented a personal chance of guilt abstination and controversial fame, appealing to Paul's aspirations.
He became the holy man he desired to be and was vindicated of all the wrong he had done in persecuting Yeshua. He naturally still felt guilt, and changed his name to Paul and declared himself born again. He began actively preaching about Jesus Christ.
Paul, the 13th Apostle
In Damascus Saul began to preach his new belief but the locals forced him away. He arrived at Jerusalem but the original followers of Yeshua did not trust Saul, their old enemy. Paul left Jerusalem and went to his home town, Tarsus, in Cilicia/Cesarea, in an area now called Turkey.
Paul was the original preacher of "Jesus Christ". Yeshua was not called "Jesus" nor "Christ" until Paul concluded that Yeshua had been the Messiah predicted in Scripture. Paul also added much of his own beliefs to the story of the Messiah, including many rituals and parts of the Mithraism religion. He confused the Hellenic Christ theme with the Messiah theme of Judaism, and the result was the sacrificial nature of Christ that Christianity has.
Paul opposed Jewish tradition and preached a new covenant from God that included women and Gentiles (non-Jews). This was an important move, allowing many new converts and followers. He gained a new life of which he could be proud. However many of his attempts to preach his new way in the synagogues were rebuked and he spent more than one stretch in prison. He travelled throughout the Mediterranean bringing the Good News to the Gentiles. Paul died in about 64CE after a two year stretch in a prison in Rome.
When the New Testament was compiled, over two hundred years later, it included many of the writings, letters and teachings of Paul, who became the first evangelist and founder of Christianity. The four gospels are written using Paul as their main source, although none of the originals of Paul's writings have survived.
Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Hellenistic "Christ". This happened before anything was written down; it happened during Paul's conversations with people as he was working through what had happened. A messiah is a person who is a great leader who leads your people to freedom. The title was taken by Jews from Persian culture. A christ is a god-king who dies as an offering to some divine being as a sacrifice in return for prosperity, especially agricultural prosperity. Both are anointed with oil as a mystical, sexual rite." The christ theme was inserted into the story of Yeshua by Paul and his subsequent followers. This was the christ theme taken from the Hellenistic Greek traditions and Mithraism had a large influence, through Paul, on the myths that Christianity assimilated.
"Christianity is a "Paulist Doctrine;" far removed from the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua (Jesus). This is where "Judaic Christianity" became "Hellenistic Christianity," and where the two religions finally, completely split." Spirit of Spirit, if it be your will, give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again - and the sacred spirit may breathe in me."
Prayer to Mithras
Mithraism and Judaism merged and became Christianity. Jesus, son of the Hebrew sky God, and Mithras, son of Ormuzd are both the same myth. The rituals of Christianity coincide with the earlier rituals of Mithraism, including the Eucharist and the Communion in great detail. The language used by Mithraism was the language used by Christians. St Paul as the first "Christian" bears much of the responsibility for merging the two in his preaching and teaching, and also comes from Tarsus, a major Mithraist center.
The idea of a sacrificed saviour is Mithraist, so is the symbolism of bulls, rams, sheep, the blood of a transformed saviour washing away sins and granting eternal life, the 7 sacraments, the banishing of an evil host from heaven, apocalyptic end of time when God/Ormuzd sends the wicked to hell and establishes peace. Roman Emperors, Mithraist then Christian, mixed the rituals and laws of both religions into one. Emperor Constantine established 25th of Dec, the birthdate of Mithras, to be the birthdate of Jesus too. The principal day of worship of the Jews, The Sabbath, was replaced by the Mithraistic Sun Day as the Christian holy day. The Catholic Church, based in Rome and founded on top of the most venerated Mithraist temple, wiped out all competing son-of-god religions within the Roman Empire, giving us modern literalist Christianity."It was in Tarsus that the Mysteries of Mithras had originated, so it would have been unthinkable that Paul would have been unaware of the remarkable similarities we have already explored between Christian doctrines and the teachings of Mithraism. [Footnote:] Tarsus was the capital of Cilicia, where, according to Plutarch [46-125CE], the Mithraic Mysteries were being practiced as early as 67BCE"
Pauls funky Law:
Don't marry unless you 'cannot control yourselves' (1 Cor. 7:1, 1 Cor. 7:38 - From genuine teachings of Paul)
Don't get divorced (1 Cor. 7:11 - Genuine)
Don't get circumcised (1 Cor. 7:19, Gal. 5:2 - Genuine)
Don't seek freedom from slavery (1 Cor. 7:21, ***. 2:9 - Former genuine, latter a fake)
Don't worry about eating food sacrificed to idols (1 Cor. 8:4 - Genuine)
Don't have long hair [men] (1 Cor. 11:14 - Genuine)
Don't wear gold, braids, expensive clothes (1 Tim. 2:9 - Fake)
Don't let women teach/have authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12 - Fake)
Don't give welfare to women under sixty (1 Tim. 5:9 - Fake)
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Originally posted by debbiejo
Saul was convinced from his Mithraistic roots that the Christ would return within his lifetime. After working for such a high ranking High Priest he probably had religious aspirations for himself. Saul decided that Yeshua, (or Jesus for the Greek), was a living Christ.
"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ , the Son of the living God."
Matthew 16:16
* as did Saint Peter, but is he also a Mithra-believer? nope... i wonder why you always single out Saint Paul...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Saul is likely to have admired Yeshua immensely and to feel much guilt for persecuting the cult of Yeshua despite it being part of his job. Now not only did it make theological sense to Paul to convert, but it presented a personal chance of guilt abstination and controversial fame, appealing to Paul's aspirations.He became the holy man he desired to be and was vindicated of all the wrong he had done in persecuting Yeshua. He naturally still felt guilt, and changed his name to Paul and declared himself born again. He began actively preaching about Jesus Christ.
* that was not like that at all...
"But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,"
Galatians 1:15
* it was God who chose Saint Paul... and not Saint Paul trying to seek fame...
"And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
Acts 9:3-5
* that's what happened... take note that the writer of The Acts was not Saint Paul but Saint Luke...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul, the 13th Apostle
* Saint Paul was not the 13th Apostle... Saint Matthias and Saint Barnabas was there first long before Saint Paul did...
Originally posted by debbiejo
In Damascus Saul began to preach his new belief but the locals forced him away. He arrived at Jerusalem but the original followers of Yeshua did not trust Saul, their old enemy. Paul left Jerusalem and went to his home town, Tarsus, in Cilicia/Cesarea, in an area now called Turkey.
* false...
"And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem ."
Acts 9:26-28
* Saint Paul was with the original followers of Christ...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul was the original preacher of "Jesus Christ". Yeshua was not called "Jesus" nor "Christ" until Paul concluded that Yeshua had been the Messiah predicted in Scripture. Paul also added much of his own beliefs to the story of the Messiah, including many rituals and parts of the Mithraism religion. He confused the Hellenic Christ theme with the Messiah theme of Judaism, and the result was the sacrificial nature of Christ that Christianity has.
* what beliefs were added by Saint Paul?
* "... Yeshua was not called "Jesus" nor "Christ" until Paul concluded that Yeshua had been the Messiah predicted in Scripture..."???
"The book of the generation of Jesus Christ , the son of David, the son of Abraham.
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ ."
Matthew 1:1, 16
* here's Saint Matthew preaching "Jesus Christ"... and Jesus is the Christ...
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ , the Son of God;"
Mark 1:1
* Saint Mark...
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ , the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
John 20:31
* Saint John...
"But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ ."
Acts 2:14, 36
* Saint Peter... and the writer, Saint Luke...
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ , to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ , the Lord of glory, with respect of persons."
James 1:1, 2:1
* Saint James...
"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ , and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:"
Jude 1:1
* Saint Jude... now, what more can you ask for?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul opposed Jewish tradition and preached a new covenant from God that included women and Gentiles (non-Jews). This was an important move, allowing many new converts and followers. He gained a new life of which he could be proud. However many of his attempts to preach his new way in the synagogues were rebuked and he spent more than one stretch in prison. He travelled throughout the Mediterranean bringing the Good News to the Gentiles. Paul died in about 64CE after a two year stretch in a prison in Rome.When the New Testament was compiled, over two hundred years later, it included many of the writings, letters and teachings of Paul, who became the first evangelist and founder of Christianity. The four gospels are written using Paul as their main source, although none of the originals of Paul's writings have survived.
* Saint Mark had written his gospel long before Saint Paul started preaching...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Hellenistic "Christ". This happened before anything was written down; it happened during Paul's conversations with people as he was working through what had happened.
* false... the other apostles still exist when Saint Paul was preaching, they could have rebuked or even ex-communicate Saint Paul if he was preaching wrongly...
"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you ;"
II Peter 3:15
* nope, no rebuke... rather, Saint Paul received an approval and a recommendation from one of the "Pillars", Saint Peter...
Originally posted by debbiejo
"Christianity is a "Paulist Doctrine;" far removed from the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua (Jesus). This is where "Judaic Christianity" became "Hellenistic Christianity," and where the two religions finally, completely split." Spirit of Spirit, if it be your will, give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again - and the sacred spirit may breathe in me."
* where? where was the split? what doctrine Saint Paul preached wrongly? what doctrine Saint Paul preached that was not of Christ? what? where?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Prayer to Mithras
Mithraism and Judaism merged and became Christianity. Jesus, son of the Hebrew sky God, and Mithras, son of Ormuzd are both the same myth. The rituals of Christianity coincide with the earlier rituals of Mithraism, including the Eucharist and the Communion in great detail. The language used by Mithraism was the language used by Christians. St Paul as the first "Christian" bears much of the responsibility for merging the two in his preaching and teaching, and also comes from Tarsus, a major Mithraist center.
The idea of a sacrificed saviour is Mithraist, so is the symbolism of bulls, rams, sheep, the blood of a transformed saviour washing away sins and granting eternal life, the 7 sacraments, the banishing of an evil host from heaven, apocalyptic end of time when God/Ormuzd sends the wicked to hell and establishes peace. Roman Emperors, Mithraist then Christian, mixed the rituals and laws of both religions into one. Emperor Constantine established 25th of Dec, the birthdate of Mithras, to be the birthdate of Jesus too.
* err... ehem... not Saint Paul...
Originally posted by debbiejo
The principal day of worship of the Jews, The Sabbath, was replaced by the Mithraistic Sun Day as the Christian holy day.
* again... not Saint Paul...
Originally posted by debbiejo
The Catholic Church, based in Rome and founded on top of the most venerated Mithraist temple, wiped out all competing son-of-god religions within the Roman Empire, giving us modern literalist Christianity."[B]It was in Tarsus that the Mysteries of Mithras had originated, so it would have been unthinkable that Paul would have been unaware of the remarkable similarities we have already explored between Christian doctrines and the teachings of Mithraism . [Footnote:] Tarsus was the capital of Cilicia, where, according to Plutarch [46-125CE], the Mithraic Mysteries were being practiced as early as 67BCE" [/B]
* wow... the basis was an assumption... an allegation... nice...
Originally posted by debbiejo
Pauls funky Law:
Don't marry unless you 'cannot control yourselves' (1 Cor. 7:1, 1 Cor. 7:38 - From genuine teachings of Paul)Don't get divorced (1 Cor. 7:11 - Genuine)
Don't get circumcised (1 Cor. 7:19, Gal. 5:2 - Genuine)
Don't seek freedom from slavery (1 Cor. 7:21, ***. 2:9 - Former genuine, latter a fake)
Don't worry about eating food sacrificed to idols (1 Cor. 8:4 - Genuine)
Don't have long hair [men] (1 Cor. 11:14 - Genuine)
Don't wear gold, braids, expensive clothes (1 Tim. 2:9 - Fake)
Don't let women teach/have authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12 - Fake)
Don't give welfare to women under sixty (1 Tim. 5:9 - Fake)
* care to expound about this matter? what was the "genuine-fake"-thing? is this your basis of Saint Paul's wrong doctrine? or do you just consider it as "funky" or weird?