A few questions about Jesus Christ

True, Mithraism was big in Tarsus. Paul was from Tarsus.....Paul didn't teach what Jesus taught....Paul also taught against what the Jews in the OT taught. Jesus did not!.........The Jews of today concider Jesus a prophet or teacher, but Paul a HERETIC.....HERETIC....HERETIC...

Mithraism ( 6th century b.c., Persia and India ). Mithras was born of a virgin, with only a number of shepards present. Mithras was known as "the Way", "the Truth", "the Light", "the Life", "the Word", "the Son of God" and "the Good Shepard". He was pictured carrying a lamb on his shoulders. Sunday was known as "the Lord's Day". On December 25th magnificent celebrations were held and "communion" was observed by the followers. From December 25th until the spring equinox were the "40 days" which later became Christian Lent. Mirthras was finally placed in a rock tomb and after three days was removed with giant celebrations, festival, and great joy. It was suppressed by Christians in 376-77 a.d.

Authors of the time:
The Following is a list of writers who lived and wrote during the time, or within a century after the time, that Christ is said to have lived and performed his wonderful works:

Josephus, Arrian, Philo-Judaeus, Petronius, Seneca, Dion Pruseus,
Pliny the Elder, Paterculus, Suetonius, Appian, Juvenal, Theon of Smyran,
Martial, Phlegon, Persius, Pompon Mela, Plutarch, Quintius Curtius,
Justus of Tiberius, Lucian, Apollonius, Pausanias, Pliny the Younger,
Valerius Flaccus, Tacitus, Florus Lucius, Quintilian, Favorinus,
Jucanus, Phaedrus, Epictetus, Damis, Silius Italicus, Aulus Gellius, Statius,
Columella, Ptolemy, Dio Chrysostom, Hermogones, Lysias, and Valerius.

Yet no one mentions the slaughter of all the first borns by Herod, the triumphant entry in Jerusalem of Jesus, the great earthquake with the supernatural darkness, or bodies of dead Saints rising up from the dead and walking around the city. Now every christian will site Josephus as proof, but Josephus only wrote about a dozen lines about Jesus, yet whole pages are devoted to petty robbers and obscure seditious leaders and forty Chapters devoted to a single king. Josephus wrote twenty books. But the greatest person who ever lived gets little more than a paragraph. This seems an all out forgery.

The Gospels - It is not known who actually wrote the gospels.
~ Matthew - Written between 80-100ad - Was written to persuade Jewish people
that Jesus, in spite of the fact he did not set up an earthly kingdom, was nonetheless
the true Jewish Messiah.

~ Mark - Written 70ad - Mark was not one of the Twelve Disciples. This gospel was
written for Roman readers, with a Roman audience in mind.

~ Luke - Written between 70-90ad - Luke was a Disciple of Paul. Luke was written
to convince readers of the things they had heard about Jesus. This account was adjusted for persons without a Jewish background. Luke is the only gospel to conclude with the ascension of Jesus into heaven.

~ John - Written between 90-100ad - John was designed to convince readers that
Jesus is the Messiah, the son of god.

And what of the other Gospels such as Thomas and Mary, why weren't they included in the bible. The Gospel of Thomas was found in 1945 in Nag Hammadi and has 20% of the same scriptures of all the other Gospels and has not been cannonized. Could possibly be the missing "Q" Gospel that historians believe to exist. Maybe because these Gospels tell us of his childhood where he killed other children. Maybe because Constantine set a deadline for the book to be completed and whatever was in was in and what ever was out was out. Or that Constantine edited it to fit the people and the times.Paul - The Heretic: Wrote 14 books of the New Testament ( more than half of the NT.)
Tarsus, the chief city of the Cilicians, and the home of Paul, was one of the chief centers of Mithra worship. Paul was a Pharacie employed by the San Heidron. He converted to Judaism where he persecuted Christians and later converted to Christianity where then he persecuted Jews. Clearly a religious Fanatic. He claimed to be an apostle
( I Cor. 15:9 ), to have been instructed by the risen Christ, to have seen Christ and to have received his authority from him. Yet, for all Paul's claims, they were doubted and disputed by the original apostles and Jewish believers. They did not accept him as a true believer, but considered his preaching falsehood. The Acts disclaims Paul and tries to stone him. Paul is constantly defending himself in the New Testament ( II Cor. 11:31 and II Tim. 2:7 ). Also it is a fact that Paul did not do all the writting, but definitly used a scribe named Tertius ( Rom. 16:22 ).

ALSO:

Horus ( Egyptain God 3,000 b.c.). What do Horus and Jesus have in common?
~ Horus was baptized with water by Anup = Jesus baptized with water by John
~ Anup the Baptizer = John the Baptist
~ Aan the divine scribe = John the divine scribe
~ Horus born in Annu, the place of the bread = Jesus born in Bethlehem,
the house of bread
~ Horus the Good Shepherd = Jesus the Good Shepherd
~ The Seven on board the boat with Horus = The seven fishers on board the boat
with Jesus
~ Horus the Lamb = Jesus the Lamb
~ Horus the Krst = Jesus the Christ
~ the trinity of Atum the Father, Horus the Son, and Ra the Holy Spirit = the trinity
of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
~ Horus the sower and Set the destroyer in the harvestfield = Jesus the sower of
the good seed and Satan the sower of tares
~ The Star, as the announcer of the child Horus = The Star indicating the birth of Jesus
~They are both are identified with the cross; both men of thirty years when baptized;
both manifesting the Son of God; both children of Virgins and returned as the Son of the Father; both bringers of peace and eternal life; and both having twelve disciples or followers. All this took place three thousand years before Christ.

Originally posted by debbiejo
[B]Yet no one mentions the slaughter of all the first borns by Herod, the triumphant entry in Jerusalem of Jesus, the great earthquake with the supernatural darkness, or bodies of dead Saints rising up from the dead and walking around the city. Now every christian will site Josephus as proof, but Josephus only wrote about a dozen lines about Jesus, yet whole pages are devoted to petty robbers and obscure seditious leaders and forty Chapters devoted to a single king. Josephus wrote twenty books. But the greatest person who ever lived gets little more than a paragraph. This seems an all out forgery. [/B]

Excellent work Debbie. I would just like to add that Flavius Josephus is a Roman apologetic who considered Vespasian, the Roman Emperor, as the long awaited Messiah. For him to write flowery words about JC, as recounted by Eusebius but NOT Origen in 200AD, is totally out of character.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Saul was convinced from his Mithraistic roots that the Christ would return within his lifetime. After working for such a high ranking High Priest he probably had religious aspirations for himself. Saul decided that Yeshua, (or Jesus for the Greek), was a living Christ.

Saul is likely to have admired Yeshua immensely and to feel much guilt for persecuting the cult of Yeshua despite it being part of his job. Now not only did it make theological sense to Paul to convert, but it presented a personal chance of guilt abstination and controversial fame, appealing to Paul's aspirations.

He became the holy man he desired to be and was vindicated of all the wrong he had done in persecuting Yeshua. He naturally still felt guilt, and changed his name to Paul and declared himself born again. He began actively preaching about Jesus Christ.

Paul, the 13th Apostle
In Damascus Saul began to preach his new belief but the locals forced him away. He arrived at Jerusalem but the original followers of Yeshua did not trust Saul, their old enemy. Paul left Jerusalem and went to his home town, Tarsus, in Cilicia/Cesarea, in an area now called Turkey.

Paul was the original preacher of "Jesus Christ". Yeshua was not called "Jesus" nor "Christ" until Paul concluded that Yeshua had been the Messiah predicted in Scripture. Paul also added much of his own beliefs to the story of the Messiah, including many rituals and parts of the Mithraism religion. He confused the Hellenic Christ theme with the Messiah theme of Judaism, and the result was the sacrificial nature of Christ that Christianity has.

Paul opposed Jewish tradition and preached a new covenant from God that included women and Gentiles (non-Jews). This was an important move, allowing many new converts and followers. He gained a new life of which he could be proud. However many of his attempts to preach his new way in the synagogues were rebuked and he spent more than one stretch in prison. He travelled throughout the Mediterranean bringing the Good News to the Gentiles. Paul died in about 64CE after a two year stretch in a prison in Rome.

When the New Testament was compiled, over two hundred years later, it included many of the writings, letters and teachings of Paul, who became the first evangelist and founder of Christianity. The four gospels are written using Paul as their main source, although none of the originals of Paul's writings have survived.
Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Hellenistic "Christ". This happened before anything was written down; it happened during Paul's conversations with people as he was working through what had happened. A messiah is a person who is a great leader who leads your people to freedom. The title was taken by Jews from Persian culture. A christ is a god-king who dies as an offering to some divine being as a sacrifice in return for prosperity, especially agricultural prosperity. Both are anointed with oil as a mystical, sexual rite." The christ theme was inserted into the story of Yeshua by Paul and his subsequent followers. This was the christ theme taken from the Hellenistic Greek traditions and Mithraism had a large influence, through Paul, on the myths that Christianity assimilated.

"Christianity is a "Paulist Doctrine;" far removed from the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua (Jesus). This is where "Judaic Christianity" became "Hellenistic Christianity," and where the two religions finally, completely split." Spirit of Spirit, if it be your will, give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again - and the sacred spirit may breathe in me."
Prayer to Mithras
Mithraism and Judaism merged and became Christianity. Jesus, son of the Hebrew sky God, and Mithras, son of Ormuzd are both the same myth. The rituals of Christianity coincide with the earlier rituals of Mithraism, including the Eucharist and the Communion in great detail. The language used by Mithraism was the language used by Christians. St Paul as the first "Christian" bears much of the responsibility for merging the two in his preaching and teaching, and also comes from Tarsus, a major Mithraist center.
The idea of a sacrificed saviour is Mithraist, so is the symbolism of bulls, rams, sheep, the blood of a transformed saviour washing away sins and granting eternal life, the 7 sacraments, the banishing of an evil host from heaven, apocalyptic end of time when God/Ormuzd sends the wicked to hell and establishes peace. Roman Emperors, Mithraist then Christian, mixed the rituals and laws of both religions into one. Emperor Constantine established 25th of Dec, the birthdate of Mithras, to be the birthdate of Jesus too. The principal day of worship of the Jews, The Sabbath, was replaced by the Mithraistic Sun Day as the Christian holy day. The Catholic Church, based in Rome and founded on top of the most venerated Mithraist temple, wiped out all competing son-of-god religions within the Roman Empire, giving us modern literalist Christianity."[B]It was in Tarsus that the Mysteries of Mithras had originated, so it would have been unthinkable that Paul would have been unaware of the remarkable similarities we have already explored between Christian doctrines and the teachings of Mithraism. [Footnote:] Tarsus was the capital of Cilicia, where, according to Plutarch [46-125CE], the Mithraic Mysteries were being practiced as early as 67BCE"

Pauls funky Law:
Don't marry unless you 'cannot control yourselves' (1 Cor. 7:1, 1 Cor. 7:38 - From genuine teachings of Paul)

Don't get divorced (1 Cor. 7:11 - Genuine)

Don't get circumcised (1 Cor. 7:19, Gal. 5:2 - Genuine)

Don't seek freedom from slavery (1 Cor. 7:21, ***. 2:9 - Former genuine, latter a fake)

Don't worry about eating food sacrificed to idols (1 Cor. 8:4 - Genuine)

Don't have long hair [men] (1 Cor. 11:14 - Genuine)

Don't wear gold, braids, expensive clothes (1 Tim. 2:9 - Fake)

Don't let women teach/have authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12 - Fake)

Don't give welfare to women under sixty (1 Tim. 5:9 - Fake)

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And Paul was eyewitness to Jesus. He was changed on the road to Damascus. A completely different man after this. He no longer persecuted and killed the Christians but became one and preached Jesus and Him crucified. Paul died a painful death serving the Lord Jesus.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
And Paul was eyewitness to Jesus. He was changed on the road to Damascus. A completely different man after this. He no longer persecuted and killed the Christians but became one and preached Jesus and Him crucified. Paul died a painful death serving the Lord Jesus.

Yeah he probably was an eyewitness but it doesnt mean nor it does guarantee that his "Christian" teachings is the same as what Jesus taught.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
And Paul was eyewitness to Jesus. He was changed on the road to Damascus. A completely different man after this. He no longer persecuted and killed the Christians but became one and preached Jesus and Him crucified. Paul died a painful death serving the Lord Jesus.

He never SAW him..........

so many of those people saw and heard things...kind of ironic huh 😐

Originally posted by Alliance
so many of those people saw and heard things...kind of ironic huh 😐

http://skeptically.org/bible/id9.html

Incense could of been Cannabis's...

BECAUSE OF THEIR WICKEDNESS WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PROVOKE ME TO ANGER, IN THAT THEY WANTED TO BURN INCENSE, AND TO SERVE OTHER GODS. . .

THEREFORE NOW. . . WHEREFORE COMMIT YE THIS GREAT EVIL AGAINST YOUR SOULS. . . IN THAT YE PROVOKE ME TO WRATH WITH THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS, BURNING INCENSE UNTO OTHER GODS IN THE LAND OF EGYPT?

THEN ALL THE MEN WHICH KNEW THAT THEIR WIVES HAD BURNED INCENSE UNTO OTHER GODS, AND ALL THE WOMEN THAT STOOD BY, A GREAT MULTITUDE, EVEN ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DWELT IN THE LAND OF EGYPT, ANSWERED JEREMIAH, SAYING,

AS FOR THE WORD THAT THOU HAST SPOKEN UNTO US IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, WE WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO THEE.

He was an angry god........he wanted it all.........he was a bogart of the stuff........lol

opiates were also very common.

Things making quite a bit of sense now...

yup

Originally posted by debbiejo
The principal day of worship of the Jews, The Sabbath, was replaced by the Mithraistic Sun Day as the Christian holy day.

Remaining questions (perhaps for other threads):
1. Why did Islam pick Friday?
2. If a new monotheistic faith ever arises, will they claim Monday? and...
3. What happens when we run out days?

I apologize beforehand if my questions (asked, admittedly, somewhat sarcastically) offend anyone.

1. I have no idea. I'm just guesssing something holy happened on that day.

2. Given the current pattern (saturday, Sunday, Friday) i'd say the remaining days are Monday, Thursday, Tuesday, then Wednesday.

3. The calendar changes to make weeks longer. We'll have to name days after Uranus, Neptune, and Ceres.

Urday, Nepday, Cerday? Cool.

Actually, I wouldn't mind 8 days. Nice even number for packaging things. I mean, whoever came up with the 7 day week was a capitalist genius. Consider: I buy a six-pack of whatever cuz I want a drink each day. But wait: I have one day left over. So now I have to buy 2 six-packs, which covers me for the week, but now for a fortnight I'm short 2 days. So to have a drink every night for 2 weeks, I have to buy 3 six-packs. But wait...

Pure genius.

(sorry for going off-topic)

Originally posted by Templares
Yeah he probably was an eyewitness but it doesnt mean nor it does guarantee that his "Christian" teachings is the same as what Jesus taught.

No problem, than I recommend following Jesus teachings.

Originally posted by Mindship
[B]I always wondered why Christians did not worship on the Sabbath, but on Sunday.

Primarily because it was on the first day of the week (Sunday) that Jesus was seen after His resurrection. Plus, oftentimes in the scriptures we see the disciples gathering together on the first day of the week for Communion and Fellowship.

Great Question Mindship!

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Primarily because it was on the first day of the week (Sunday) that Jesus was seen after His resurrection. Plus, oftentimes in the scriptures we see the disciples gathering together on the first day of the week for Communion and Fellowship.

Great Question Mindship!

Doesn't work, Christ was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Sabbath, he rose and was witnessed 3 days later. Jewish Sabbath is Saturday. That would make it Monday or Tuesday that he rose and was witnessed.

Originally posted by Regret
Doesn't work, Christ was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Sabbath, he rose and was witnessed 3 days later. Jewish Sabbath is Saturday. That would make it Monday or Tuesday that he rose and was witnessed.

It was on the eve on a Wedsnday. The scriptures say He was seen on the first day of the week (Sunday).He needed to be dead for 3 complete days before He could prove he was the Christ. The first day of the week was Sunday. The Jewish Sabbath is the 7th Day of the week or Saturday. You again are not correct in your History.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
It was on the eve on a Wedsnday. The scriptures say He was seen on the first day of the week (Sunday).He needed to be dead for 3 complete days before He could prove he was the Christ. The first day of the week was Sunday. The Jewish Sabbath is the 7th Day of the week or Saturday. You again are not correct in your History.

You are right, did some research, there was a special sabbath on Thursday that week, so Wednesday would fit. Sorry for mistating.

Originally posted by Regret
You are right, did some research, there was a special sabbath on Thursday that week, so Wednesday would fit. Sorry for mistating.

Regret I must say you stand out above the rest. I have posted many. many, things in the past 3 days, and you are the first to admit an error.

...Should I also make a mistake, I will stand corrected.

THANK YOU 🙂