A few questions about Jesus Christ

Originally posted by Mindship
Urday, Nepday, Cerday? Cool.

Actually, I wouldn't mind 8 days. Nice even number for packaging things. I mean, whoever came up with the 7 day week was a capitalist genius. Consider: I buy a six-pack of whatever cuz I want a drink each day. But wait: I have one day left over. So now I have to buy 2 six-packs, which covers me for the week, but now for a fortnight I'm short 2 days. So to have a drink every night for 2 weeks, I have to buy 3 six-packs. But wait...

Pure genius.

(sorry for going off-topic)

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I have some issues with this sabbath discussion though.

Does "eve of the sabbath" mean Saturday night or Friday night?

Was the Georgian clendar in effect at that time? Was Sunday even a day at that point?, let alone this first day of the week?

Can we even trust this because I believe a majority of biblical scholars suggest that christ was born several years before 1CE and as supposedly born sometime in May?

Originally posted by Mindship
I always wondered why Christians did not worship on the Sabbath, but on Sunday.

Remaining questions (perhaps for other threads):
1. Why did Islam pick Friday?
2. If a new monotheistic faith ever arises, will they claim Monday? and...
3. What happens when we run out days?

I apologize beforehand if my questions (asked, admittedly, somewhat sarcastically) offend anyone.

http://www.crowl.org/Lawrence/time/days.html

Originally posted by Alliance
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Does "eve of the sabbath" mean Saturday night or Friday night?

I think Saturday. I may be wrong. I suppose it depends on the context and placement of the statement "eve of the sabbath".

Originally posted by Alliance

Does "eve of the sabbath" mean Saturday night or Friday night?

I'd say Friday afternoon, the Jews day begins at 6 PM, so If the Sabbath was a Saturday then Sabbath started at 6 Pm on Friday.

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ex. All Hallows Eve is the evening before All Siants Day., not the evening of Nov 1st.

I'd say Friday afternoon, the Jews day begins at 6 PM, so If the Sabbath was a Saturday then Sabbath started at 6 Pm on Friday.

1. Well I know that Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday at the council of Nicea to bring in the pagans that already worshipped on Sunday in honor of the SUN GOD... 2. As for Friday......I don't know. Only that it is named after Freya the Norse goddess....

Puts "TGIF" in a whole new light.

Originally posted by Mindship
Puts "TGIF" in a whole new light.

Originally posted by debbiejo
The Gospels - It is not known who actually wrote the gospels.
~ Matthew - Written between 80-100ad - Was written to persuade Jewish people
that Jesus, in spite of the fact he did not set up an earthly kingdom, was nonetheless
the true Jewish Messiah.

~ Mark - Written 70ad - Mark was not one of the Twelve Disciples. This gospel was
written for Roman readers, with a Roman audience in mind.

~ Luke - Written between 70-90ad - Luke was a Disciple of Paul. Luke was written
to convince readers of the things they had heard about Jesus. This account was adjusted for persons without a Jewish background. Luke is the only gospel to conclude with the ascension of Jesus into heaven.

~ John - Written between 90-100ad - John was designed to convince readers that
Jesus is the Messiah, the son of god.

* still projecting allegations and alibis, eh?

~ book of Matthew - written 41 AD, at Palentine - Matthew/Levi was one of the twelve apostles... knowing this, he may have rebuked Saint Paul if his doctrine was wrongly preached...

~ book of Mark - written 60-65 AD, at Rome - yes, Mark was not one of the twelve... knowing this, we may get an insight from other people not in the core of Christ's group, it serves as an unbiased point of view, yet it still conforms with the book of Matthew which was one of the twelve...

~ book of Luke - written 56 AD, at Caesarea - true, Saint Luke is a co-worker of Saint Paul... however, the book of Luke was written to his friend, Theophilus... being a man of faith, Saint Luke provided a book to have it written chronologically...

"It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,"
Luke 1:3

* the ascension of Christ was mentioned earlier, even in other books...

"Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power , and coming in the clouds of heaven."
Matthew 26:64

"And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power , and coming in the clouds of heaven."
Mark 14:62

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of man which is in heaven."
John 3:13

"Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God ; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."
I Peter 3:22

~ book of John - 98 AD, near Ephesus - one of the twelve, not the only one to preach that Christ is the Son of God...

"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God ."
Matthew 16:16

* Saint Matthew and Saint Peter...

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God ;"
Mark 1:1

* Saint Mark...

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest : and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God ."
Luke 1:32, 35

* Angel Gabriel and Saint Luke...

* still, no rebuke... instead, Saint Paul received an approval and recommendation from Saint Peter...

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you ;"
II Peter 3:15

* what did Saint Peter wrote about Saint Paul's detractors?

"As also in all his epistles , speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."
II Peter 3:16

* <sigh...> 🙄

I am also the Son/Daughter of man.........and the word "Christian" used in those times only meant "Doers of good"

The original documents.....
This photo shows a papyrus fragment from the Gospel of John, discovered in Egypt, the oldest known fragment from any part of the New Testament, dated from the first half of the 2nd century C.E.

Script appears on both sides, the front contains verses 31-33 and the back, verses 37-38.

The fragment resides in the John Rylands Library in Manchester, England.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible2.htm

The Bible was edited together by the later followers of the faith.

The Gospel of Matthew IS NOT OLDER than Mark.

Originally posted by Templares
The Gospel of Matthew IS NOT OLDER than Mark.

How do you know?

Also as mentioned earlier there was a special Sabbath that week, not just the weekly Sabbath (Saturday) which started at sundown Friday....The Jews had many special seasonal Sabbaths.

Spring: Passover (Pesach), Unleavened Bread (Hag Hamatzah), Firstfruits (Yom HaBikkurim), Feast of Weeks (Shavuot)

Fall: Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah), Atonement (Yom Kippur), Tabernacles (Sukkoth)

Post Mosaic Sabbaths were: Hanukkah, and Purim, which are winter.

The Sabbath that was going on during the crucifixion was I believe Passover (Pesach) and Unleavened Bread, which I do believed overlapped.

These feasts are now attributed to the life of Jesus in a metaphorical way

as are most large pagan ones.

It's interesting how you can really trace the beliefs and how they moved forward even from as far back as some Sumerian teachings....Only names have changed and some stories with some modifications........quite interesting really.

Abraxas hasn't popped up.

Haven't heard of Abraxas????........Who's that???............

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know?

I am waiting too Shaky...The book of Mark may be older...I will look it up. 🙄

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
I am waiting too Shaky...The book of Mark may be older...I will look it up. 🙄

Yep. Look it up. Markan priority ownz.

Originally posted by Regret
OK, I know I'll get beat over the head for this by the mainstream Christians, but here it goes.

From my understanding mainstream Christianity believes this:

God existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ
God never claimed the name Jesus Christ prior to the Mortal existence of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God taken during that mortal period

So, if at some point in time God is not in physical form, is there an existing Jesus Christ at that point in time, or is there only God the Father? Or is it just like me using Regret and not my real name?

Also, is God the Father the Son of God the Father, and how does this work?

According to the Catholic Chruch, which I don't know if their opinion is what you're looking for, but there was always a Father (typically referred to as God, which is quite confusing), a Son, and a Holy Spirit. Jesus the person, who was both God (one part of the three, the Trinity) and Human, came into being once he was conceived by Mary. But he always "existed" if that's a good word for it.

I don't understand your last question.

Originally posted by Nazgulinthedark
According to the Catholic Chruch, which I don't know if their opinion is what you're looking for, but there was always a Father (typically referred to as God, which is quite confusing), a Son, and a Holy Spirit. Jesus the person, who was both God (one part of the three, the Trinity) and Human, came into being once he was conceived by Mary. But he always "existed" if that's a good word for it.

I don't understand your last question.

The first portion I think you answered. Basically I was asking for was a rundown of a Christian's (and Catholic fits into that category given that it is the mother of the majority of Christianity today) beliefs on the trinity, and the reasons for what they believe on the subject.

Second I am not sure if you did. If God is a non-corporeal entity (which I have come to think that the majority of Christians believe) then, when he is not being the physical body, does Christ, that member of the trinity, exist as an entity, or does God just use various names dependant on the state he is currently existing as?

It is difficult to phrase questions when I do not understand the subject in the manner that the people I am asking believe it to be.

The last part, I think it has been too long, and too many debates over other things. I cannot remember what I was asking there.