Since when do superior senses = majority win? Just because his senses may or may not be better, doesn't mean he would win, spiderman is faster... BY ALOT, stronger.... by ALOT a sense which if worse is only by a hair. Whats Daredevil going to do? Spiderman has taken punches from the hulk, DD punching him shouldn't realistically do anything, Spiderman in a well written story should beat DD 8-9/10
Originally posted by FujiFuu
Since when do superior senses = majority win? Just because his senses may or may not be better, doesn't mean he would win, spiderman is faster... BY ALOT, stronger.... by ALOT a sense which if worse is only by a hair. Whats Daredevil going to do? Spiderman has taken punches from the hulk, DD punching him shouldn't realistically do anything, Spiderman in a well written story should beat DD 8-9/10
Its not just the senses that help DD win the majority of the fights. ITs the skills to. Daredevil can literally put Spidey down with 1 hit. Spiderman is faster yes, BUT DD's senses allow for Spidey to NEVER land a solid enough hit to ko him. No matter how fast Spidey moves, he jsut aint fast enough. Spidey hasnt even ko'd DD before. Yes, Spidey is stronger, BUT DD (thanks to senses) is able to roll with the hits to HIGHLY REDUCE their effectiveness. Hes done so with Namor, Hulk, Thing and others who are stronger than him. Spidey is no exception. Daredevil just as well written as Spidey would beat him 7/10 times.
Re: Daredevil Runs The Gauntlet
Originally posted by HellMaster93
So, Daredevil faces a gauntlet on the rooftops of New York City...1) Bullseye
2) Black Panther
3) Spider-man
4) Wolverine
5) Sabretooth
6) CyclopsHe has 20 minutes rest/prep between each battle... 😈
sorry jrod, i'm with will on this one. 😬 you seem to be saying/implying this would strictly end up h2h. it could, and spidey would still win the majority imo, but along with smart use of his webbing, dd would be screwed. i've got many books where they fight. dd has admitted to being slower and physically inferior. i'm curious -- what is their most recent fight?
as for the gauntlet:
1. dd 8/10
2. dd 5-6/10
3. dd 2-3/10
4. dd 4.5/10
5. isn't sabes like a 40 tonner now with healing above wolvies?? if so, sabes kills him most of the time. old sabes, dd 6-7/10
6. depends entirely on the circumstance. if they are far enough away for cyke to use a wide beam, dd is screwed. if they are close enough dd can dodge and gets his mitts on cyke, cyke is screwed.
Spidey beats him 8/10 7/10 being generous to DD.
being able to sense spideys next move doesnt mean he will react fast enough to avoid it. Spiderman has super strength,spider sense and super human reflexes and reaction time. Meaning spidey sense wouldnt mean jack if spidey was not fast enough to react/dodge agianst a quick foe throwing punches/kicks.
Originally posted by HellMaster93
DD has beaten Webs SEVERAL times... once admttedly whan he was under the control of the Ringmaster guy...
🤨 That fight didn't go anywhere, and besides, Spider-man was hyptnotized in that particular case. Even then DD said he was having trouble dodging Spidey's blows. I'll say he gets stopped at Spider-man.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its not just the senses that help DD win the majority of the fights. ITs the skills to. Daredevil can literally put Spidey down with 1 hit. Spiderman is faster yes, BUT DD's senses allow for Spidey to NEVER land a solid enough hit to ko him. No matter how fast Spidey moves, he jsut aint fast enough. Spidey hasnt even ko'd DD before. Yes, Spidey is stronger, BUT DD (thanks to senses) is able to roll with the hits to HIGHLY REDUCE their effectiveness. Hes done so with Namor, Hulk, Thing and others who are stronger than him. Spidey is no exception. Daredevil just as well written as Spidey would beat him 7/10 times.
Now, with this one hit KO you speak of that DD could put Spider-man down with, why would Spider-man be an exception to what you are saying? Through Spider-man's spider-sense, why could DD take him down with one hit when he could easily roll with the punch, or even better, avoid the punch all together? They are about even in terms of senses (radar and spider-sense), but Spider-man is plenty faster than Daredevil. Spider-man being taken down by one hit from DD is about as likely as it happening the other way around. Anyways, sure DD could continually roll with Spider-man's punches, but to what effect and how long could he keep it up? He couldn't be rolling with them all day. Spider-man's punches would eventually take their toll on DD's body, whether he rolled with them or not. So, problem with your theory is, that Spider-man has got just as an acute sense as Daredevil and the situation you are explaining wouldn't just apply to him.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Daredevil has beaten opponents faster and stronger than himself as well. Whats your point? You mention hierarchy of abilities, but in combat, its a whole other story as shown multiple times. If one were to look at the stats its obvious that Spidey has DD outclassed. However by actually seeing how their abilities work in combat would allow people to see and believe hoe DD could beat Spidey in a battle. Its not like they would be going blow for blow which you seem to think😬
That's a big assumption. To just ignore the fact that spidey physically outclasses Daredevil in every way and saying "Well in a fight it could be different" Doesn't really confirm or support DD in any way.
I could say Galactus is physically superior to Aunt May, but when taking into account a mixture of May's strength, speed and the way she "works in Combat" (as you describe for DD ) means she can win. 🙄
Originally posted by jrodslam
Its ok if you think Spidey sense is faster. However fact is that DD's radar and senses are faster and more accurate/precise.
NO its not fact its your opinion. ❌ More accurate? maybe. Faster? Not in my opinion. ❌
Originally posted by jrodslam
1. DD's senses tell him axactly what the threat is going to be and where its coming from.
2. For DD to act is almost instantaneous. You make it seem as if DD has to take seconds to contemplate what hes going to do. You cant do that while bullets, lasers and people who move faster than the eye can see are aimed for your head and body.
DD's radar sense tell him of his surroundings and tells him where the danger is. It does not tell him what to do to avoid the danger, he has to think in his head "I need to duck now" or "I better jump to avoid that". DD may take only a split second to work out how to avoid it, but he still has to take that time to work it out and do it.
Whereas the Spider-sense tells Peter what to do to avoid the danger but not what the danger is. It will say to him "Duck" or "jump" without telling him why. If he does what it says he avoids the danger. He doesn't have to work out what to do to avoid it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
1. Spideys sense goes off, but he deoesnt know what the threat is nor where its coming from.
2. When the senses go off, Spidey has to look around to first see what the threat is THEN do what he has to do to avoid it. I agree that sometimes Spidey just avoids it without knowing such as dodging bullets or the such, but same goes for DD.
Spidey does not have to look round to see what it is. What would be the point in having a sense which tells you how to avoid a danger if you are gonna look round and work it out anyway? 😕 That's what DD does using his radar sense 🙂
Spidey himself said that his sense was so good that "Not even my own wife can sneak up on me." In the issue as he said this he was dodging lasers from behind him.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I disagree. If DD fights in a church, his senses pick out amound the many people who pose a threat by..
1. Heart rhythms.
2. Breathing patterns.
Spideys senses can be overloaded as well as shown by DD. Plus for him to locate a villain via ss, it would take him longer that it would for DD. And im not talking about in the darkness either. DD can use his smell, hearing as well as radar. Once again showing DD's senses > Spidey sense.
DD is probably better at locating a villain than spidey, but in a straight up fight, his senses are more likely to be overloaded than spidey. I have a DD comic where a gunshot from a crook goes off near him, upsetting his radar. Another where fumes upset his sense of smell. I have another issue where his hearing is obscured by other villains.
I don't know if there is an occasion where the average crook managed to overload the spider-sense. Green Goblin did it once with prep? Symbiotes can and Mysterio with prep can do it, but a common crook? ❌
IMO the spider-sense is much more efficient for a straight up fight like this. The only chance DD has is his 20 minute prep, and I don't think that will help much unless he is allowed outside help......
Spidey wins at the very least 8/10
Re: Re: Daredevil Runs The Gauntlet
Originally posted by leonidas
sorry jrod, i'm with will on this one. 😬 you seem to be saying/implying this would strictly end up h2h. it could, and spidey would still win the majority imo, but along with smart use of his webbing, dd would be screwed. i've got many books where they fight. dd has admitted to being slower and physically inferior. i'm curious -- what is their most recent fight?as for the gauntlet:
1. dd 8/10
2. dd 5-6/10
3. dd 2-3/10
4. dd 4.5/10
5. isn't sabes like a 40 tonner now with healing above wolvies?? if so, sabes kills him most of the time. old sabes, dd 6-7/10
6. depends entirely on the circumstance. if they are far enough away for cyke to use a wide beam, dd is screwed. if they are close enough dd can dodge and gets his mitts on cyke, cyke is screwed.
Since when did Sabretooth become a 40 tonner? 😕
Re: Re: Daredevil Runs The Gauntlet
Originally posted by leonidas
sorry jrod, i'm with will on this one. 😬 you seem to be saying/implying this would strictly end up h2h. it could, and spidey would still win the majority imo, but along with smart use of his webbing, dd would be screwed. i've got many books where they fight. dd has admitted to being slower and physically inferior. i'm curious -- what is their most recent fight?
In my opinion Spidey wouls never tag DD with his webbing. Most likely it would end up h2h cause Spidey would know its useless. I believe Spidey has tried the webbing in 2 fights of the few that they have had. DD is a very humble character and gives others respect. He may have admitted being slower than Spidey which im not disputing, but he still doesnt get tagged by the punches enough to ko him. Spidey has also said that no matter how fast he is, he still cant land a solid hit on DD. Thier most recent fight was a couple of months ago in Black Cats book. They both knocked each other out. Spideys fist time i believe.
Originally posted by willRules
That's a big assumption. To just ignore the fact that spidey physically outclasses Daredevil in every way and saying "Well in a fight it could be different" Doesn't really confirm or support DD in any way.I could say Galactus is physically superior to Aunt May, but when taking into account a mixture of May's strength, speed and the way she "works in Combat" (as you describe for DD ) means she can win. 🙄
Whats a big assumption? Youre saying Spidey physically outclasses DD and thats why he wins. Yes thats true if going by sats/abilities, but when they fight each other, no matter how fast or strong Spidey is, he cant hit DD hard enough to knock him out. Hes admitted that. All the fights they have had supports that. You mention Spidey has beat people who outclass him as well, sdo why is that not counted in Daredevil's case? You cant only look at things just to support your own arguements. You have to look at it from both angles.
Comparing Galactus to Aunt May is being rediculous now. Have they fought each other countless times? Has Aunt May ever knocked out Gal? Les nto get out of hand here.❌
Originally posted by willRules
NO its not fact its your opinion. ❌ More accurate? maybe. Faster? Not in my opinion. ❌
There are a few instances that support my statement. Most recent is Secret War when Spidey and Daredevil along with other heros were being attacked my missiles. Whos senses went off first? Daredevils. And that happened a couple of times.
Originally posted by willRules
DD's radar sense tell him of his surroundings and tells him where the danger is. It does not tell him what to do to avoid the danger, he has to think in his head "I need to duck now" or "I better jump to avoid that". DD may take only a split second to work out how to avoid it, but he still has to take that time to work it out and do it.Whereas the Spider-sense tells Peter what to do to avoid the danger but not what the danger is. It will say to him "Duck" or "jump" without telling him why. If he does what it says he avoids the danger. He doesn't have to work out what to do to avoid it.
DD's senses tells him whats going to happen before the enemy even does something. He once said that he already knows what the persons is going to do and hes already contemplating his 3rd move before the person has even completed their first. Spiderman's sense isnt on that level.
Spidey sense doesnt always tell Peter what to do. Usually, when his sense goes off, he tries to find out where its coming from. Say if a sniper is shooting at him or if theres someone in a club contemplating on attacking him.
Originally posted by willRules
Spidey does not have to look round to see what it is. What would be the point in having a sense which tells you how to avoid a danger if you are gonna look round and work it out anyway? 😕 That's what DD does using his radar sense 🙂Spidey himself said that his sense was so good that "Not even my own wife can sneak up on me." In the issue as he said this he was dodging lasers from behind him.
If someone has a sniper rifle on a roof, most likely Spideys senses will go off before the trigger is pulled. He then looks around to see where the threat is coming from. Spidey does have to look to find out whats the threat and where its coming from. Somtimes he does just react, but somentimes he stil has to observe the area. Are you saying that doesnt happen?😕
Originally posted by willRules
DD is probably better at locating a villain than spidey, but in a straight up fight, his senses are more likely to be overloaded than spidey. I have a DD comic where a gunshot from a crook goes off near him, upsetting his radar. Another where fumes upset his sense of smell. I have another issue where his hearing is obscured by other villains.
In a straight up fight it all depends on the villain if DD's senses can be overloaded. Gun shots have overloaded DD's senses just as helicopter explosions didnt. Spidermans senses has been manipulated via gas, holograms and illusions. But because theyt are fighting each other, DAredevil doesnt ahve to worry about Spidey pulling a gun on him or pulling out smelly fumes and Spidey doesnt have to worry about holograms and gas.😬
Originally posted by willRules
I don't know if there is an occasion where the average crook managed to overload the spider-sense. Green Goblin did it once with prep? Symbiotes can and Mysterio with prep can do it, but a common crook? ❌
The average crook may have irritated DD's senses but that didnt stop them from getting an ass whoopin. Heroes cant be invincible. Plus like stated before, DD has been in near proximity of explosions, trains etc and has been fine so a few gun shot irritants doesnt hold much weight in stoppin him the majority of the times..
Originally posted by willRules
IMO the spider-sense is much more efficient for a straight up fight like this. The only chance DD has is his 20 minute prep, and I don't think that will help much unless he is allowed outside help......
And imo, DD's senses are much more efficiant in a straight up fight than the Spidey sense. For DD to beat Spiderman, he wouldnt need 20 min prep. That would be more for guys like Wolvie or Sabes.
DD still beats Spidey more times than not.
DD will not make it pass Spider-man and spider sense is better then DD radar sense.I'm on my lap top right now and I don't have a scanner for it but I will prove that spider sense shows whats coming and where its coming from before it comes in some scans later.Also if DD rolled with SM blows all day he would tire out way before Spider-man would.DD would get tired slow down and get KTFO wile SM would still be fresh.Where is the fight if its in the city SM will have cars,bus's,trucks,and light poles to hit and throw at DD.SM could keep him at a distance.PS: I don't thank he make it pass BP DD has a better chance beating Wolverine then Black Panther or Spider-man!
Spidy sense isnt better than Radar. If DD rolled with Spideys punches hed get tired you say? well its happened and you know what happened? Daredevil LET Spidey land a hit just so he can get a quick breather, and Spidey still couldnt knock him out like you think he would. Funny isnt it.😄
Spidey throwing buses, trucks etc, would do nothing. You think DD would have a hard time dodging those? Plus Matt would close the gap liek he always does. What makes people think hes gonna be on dodging all fight. Hed close the gap and go on the offensive. Plus DD has good records against both Wolverine and Black Panther including Spiderman.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Spidy sense isnt better than Radar. If DD rolled with Spideys punches hed get tired you say? well its happened and you know what happened? Daredevil LET Spidey land a hit just so he can get a quick breather, and Spidey still couldnt knock him out like you think he would. Funny isnt it.😄
Spidey throwing buses, trucks etc, would do nothing. You think DD would have a hard time dodging those? Plus Matt would close the gap liek he always does. What makes people think hes gonna be on dodging all fight. Hed close the gap and go on the offensive. Plus DD has good records against both Wolverine and Black Panther including Spiderman.
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