Daredevil Runs The Gauntlet

Originally posted by jrodslam
Whats a big assumption? Youre saying Spidey physically outclasses DD and thats why he wins. Yes thats true if going by sats/abilities, but when they fight each other, no matter how fast or strong Spidey is, he cant hit DD hard enough to knock him out. Hes admitted that. All the fights they have had supports that. You mention Spidey has beat people who outclass him as well, sdo why is that not counted in Daredevil's case? You cant only look at things just to support your own arguements. You have to look at it from both angles.

Hasn't DD also admitted that Spidey outclasses him? I would also like to see DD beat people like Venom or Lizard in a fight. Whereas I can see spidey taking people like Mr hyde (Which he did easily in one issue, whilst injured from a previous fight and was in a crowded room) , and in his fight with Bullseye, Bullseye was forced to run away.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Comparing Galactus to Aunt May is being rediculous now. Have they fought each other countless times? Has Aunt May ever knocked out Gal? Les nto get out of hand here.❌

Personally I think comparing spidey and DD in a fight is ridiculous but here we are 🙁

Originally posted by jrodslam
There are a few instances that support my statement. Most recent is Secret War when Spidey and Daredevil along with other heros were being attacked my missiles. Whos senses went off first? Daredevils. And that happened a couple of times.

I'm still inclined to believe that spidey's sense is quicker due to the countless times he has dodged lasers, bullets and coupled with his superhuman speed, reflexes and agility to compliment his sense.

Originally posted by jrodslam
DD's senses tells him whats going to happen before the enemy even does something. He once said that he already knows what the persons is going to do and hes already contemplating his 3rd move before the person has even completed their first. Spiderman's sense isnt on that level.

Its on the level that he is fast enough to dodge lasers, bullets and supervillains whilst simultaneously worrying about Aunt May paying her bills. And I'm sure DD will be having a hard time to work out the moves of a guy who is much faster, much more agile and has much better reflexes than him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Spidey sense doesnt always tell Peter what to do. Usually, when his sense goes off, he tries to find out where its coming from. Say if a sniper is shooting at him or if theres someone in a club contemplating on attacking him.

Yes but thats after he has dodged the bullets and maybe dodging more gunfire. He doesn't stop to check out what is going on as the bullet is heading towards him. And the whole purpose of the spider-sense is to tell him how to avoid a threat so that's exactly what it does (with a few exceptions like symbiotes). 🙄

Whereas at some point DD has to use his sense to locate the danger, work out how to avoid it, then for him to actually do it.

Spidey doesn't need to locate the danger or how to avoid it as his spider-sense tells him how to avoid it. He just has to take action. Plus DD has to rely on peak human reflexes to achieve this, spidey can comfortably do this with superhuman agility.

Originally posted by jrodslam
If someone has a sniper rifle on a roof, most likely Spideys senses will go off before the trigger is pulled. He then looks around to see where the threat is coming from. Spidey does have to look to find out whats the threat and where its coming from. Somtimes he does just react, but somentimes he stil has to observe the area. Are you saying that doesnt happen?😕

Nope I'm saying his spider-sense tells him how to first avoid the danger without him necessarily realizing that the sniper is even there. He can rely on his spider-sense to avoid the danger whilst he locates the threat. Whereas DD has to use his radar sense to know there is a threat, then decide how to dodge, react, then to actually do it.

If a sniper fired at Spidey and spidey didn't know the sniper was there he would be fine thanks to his spider-sense. If the same happened with DD then he'd be screwed because he has to locate the threat and work out a way to avoid it in time. The spider-sense does the latter for spidey.

Originally posted by jrodslam
In a straight up fight it all depends on the villain if DD's senses can be overloaded. Gun shots have overloaded DD's senses just as helicopter explosions didnt. Spidermans senses has been manipulated via gas, holograms and illusions. But because theyt are fighting each other, DAredevil doesnt ahve to worry about Spidey pulling a gun on him or pulling out smelly fumes and Spidey doesnt have to worry about holograms and gas.😬

Nope all DD has to worry about is a guy who can dodge every one of his blows, is physically superior to him by far in every single way, can match his range with webbing and can take off his head with one hit. Even assuming that what you said about spidey having to land numerous hits and DD just one (Which I entirely disagree with) was true, I still think spidey's superhuman reflexes would put him above DD and his superhuman strength could take DD down eventually, assuming DD was fast enough to dodge a guy much faster and more agile than him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The average crook may have irritated DD's senses but that didnt stop them from getting an ass whoopin. Heroes cant be invincible. Plus like stated before, DD has been in near proximity of explosions, trains etc and has been fine so a few gun shot irritants doesnt hold much weight in stoppin him the majority of the times..

I don't disagree with that. That's one of the reasons I think DD is such a great character. He has had sooooo many obstacles in his life that he has managed to overcome and this is clearly represented by the fact he is one of the very few heroes not noted for his extraordinary powers but his weakness, the fact he is blind. 🙂

Originally posted by jrodslam
And imo, DD's senses are much more efficiant in a straight up fight than the Spidey sense. For DD to beat Spiderman, he wouldnt need 20 min prep. That would be more for guys like Wolvie or Sabes.

AS far as I am concerned he can have 20 hours of prep, but unless he pulls extra help from other heroes or an anti-spider-man device from his anus (Like the writer of the Sin Eater storyline with the death of Jean Dewolf) DD is losing this.

And as for his senses being more efficient, I can only imagining him using them to smell defeat quicker than the average person 🙂

Spidey wins at the very least 8/10

Originally posted by batdude123
It seems you have omitted what happens at the bottom of the page... 😖hifty:

Ive already stated it if you actually read my post. Daredevil let Spiderman get a hit on him so he can catch a breather and Spidey still couldnt knock him out. But all that happed at the bottom of the page was Spidey missing another hit on DD. Than DD made that statement. Nice try.😄

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ive already stated it if you actually read my post. Daredevil let Spiderman get a hit on him so he can catch a breather and Spidey still couldnt knock him out. But all that happed at the bottom of the page was Spidey missing another hit on DD. Than DD made that statement. Nice try.😄

Yes, but what you posted is only a one time feat and would not necessarily mean that he would beat Spider-man. Look at Blade Cutter's picture.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but what you posted is only a one time feat and would not necessarily mean that he would beat Spider-man. Look at Blade Cutter's picture.

And in the text for that scene DD admits how screwed he is ✅

😄

Originally posted by jrodslam
Spidy sense isnt better than Radar. If DD rolled with Spideys punches hed get tired you say? well its happened and you know what happened? Daredevil LET Spidey land a hit just so he can get a quick breather, and Spidey still couldnt knock him out like you think he would. Funny isnt it.😄
Spidey throwing buses, trucks etc, would do nothing. You think DD would have a hard time dodging those? Plus Matt would close the gap liek he always does. What makes people think hes gonna be on dodging all fight. Hed close the gap and go on the offensive. Plus DD has good records against both Wolverine and Black Panther including Spiderman.

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Why don't you post the rest of that fight are at lest that page or do I have to shw every one for you?

Originally posted by willRules
Hasn't DD also admitted that Spidey outclasses him? I would also like to see DD beat people like Venom or Lizard in a fight. Whereas I can see spidey taking people like Mr hyde (Which he did easily in one issue, whilst injured from a previous fight and was in a crowded room) , and in his fight with Bullseye, Bullseye was forced to run away.

And so, what your point? DD always says stuff like "IF he lands a hit like that its over for me!". Yet Spiderman NEVER does lol. Daredevil has never fought Lizard, but im sure he could find a way to beat him and he already foght Venom in a stalemate. Plus Daredevil beats Hyde on a regular basis. Saying who Spidey beat and wondering if DD can beat them are nulled in this fight. The two have fought many times and Spidey just has trouble with DD. Simple.

Originally posted by willRules
Personally I think comparing spidey and DD in a fight is ridiculous but here we are 🙁

I think you like it, cause you continue to do it. It does get a bit repetitive though. Weve had this debate many times.

Originally posted by willRules
I'm still inclined to believe that spidey's sense is quicker due to the countless times he has dodged lasers, bullets and coupled with his superhuman speed, reflexes and agility to compliment his sense.

Daredevil has done the same, and he doesnt even naturally have superhuman speed, reflexes etc. That alone is an indication of how superior DD's senses are to Spideys one. Hes fast enough to where Spidey cant even knock him out. Spiderman! Hes fast enough to roll with punches to where people like Namor and Hulk struggle to ko him. If he had the durability, hed be beyone Wolverine level.😖hifty:

Originally posted by willRules
Its on the level that he is fast enough to dodge lasers, bullets and supervillains whilst simultaneously worrying about Aunt May paying her bills. And I'm sure DD will be having a hard time to work out the moves of a guy who is much faster, much more agile and has much better reflexes than him.

In fights with Spidey, DD has known when Spidey was going to jump. Hes known when Spidey was gonna swing. DD was sooo confident in his senses that he was willing to ALLOW Spiderman to get a hit on him just so he can catch a breather. Them immediately after that hit, which still didnt ko him, he was ready again.

Originally posted by willRules
Yes but thats after he has dodged the bullets and maybe dodging more gunfire. He doesn't stop to check out what is going on as the bullet is heading towards him. And the whole purpose of the spider-sense is to tell him how to avoid a threat so that's exactly what it does (with a few exceptions like symbiotes). 🙄

Whereas at some point DD has to use his sense to locate the danger, work out how to avoid it, then for him to actually do it.

Spidey doesn't need to locate the danger or how to avoid it as his spider-sense tells him how to avoid it. He just has to take action. Plus DD has to rely on peak human reflexes to achieve this, spidey can comfortably do this with superhuman agility.

Ive never said that Spidey has to figure out what to do once the bullet is fired. He just works off instinct in that type of situation. I was talking about before the bullet is fired or before someone makes the act to attack and the sense goes off. In that sitiation, Spidey has to look arouind to see whats triggering his senses to go off.

DD acts instinctively just like Spidey. He alreadsy knows what the person is going to do beforehand so he just acts on it. While bullets or laser are already being fired the only thing he usually thinks about is how to stop the person. Hes not thinking about how to dodge it.😬

Is Spidey doesnt know the danger, how can he jsut take action? there was an instance where him and DD were together and the senses went off, but Spidey was didnt know there was going to be an explosion untill DD told him to move. that happened on a few occasions.

Originally posted by willRules
Nope I'm saying his spider-sense tells him how to first avoid the danger without him necessarily realizing that the sniper is even there. He can rely on his spider-sense to avoid the danger whilst he locates the threat. Whereas DD has to use his radar sense to know there is a threat, then decide how to dodge, react, then to actually do it.

Spiderman relies more on his agility and reflexes to avoid the danger. He relies on the senses to know of a danger and try to locate it IF it doesnt already present itself. DD has to decide how to react? Before a trigger is even pulled DD knows when and where the shot is going to be. He doesnt think of how to dodge it., He usually thiks of what moves to do to diable to person witout breaking all the bones in their hand. Bullets move in slow motion to him so dodging is as easy and quick as breathing.

Originally posted by willRules
Nope all DD has to worry about is a guy who can dodge every one of his blows, is physically superior to him by far in every single way, can match his range with webbing and can take off his head with one hit. Even assuming that what you said about spidey having to land numerous hits and DD just one (Which I entirely disagree with) was true, I still think spidey's superhuman reflexes would put him above DD and his superhuman strength could take DD down eventually, assuming DD was fast enough to dodge a guy much faster and more agile than him.

DD has to worry about a guy that can dodge ewvery one of his blows? And what guy would that be? It sure isnt Spiderman. DD usually doesn ahve trouble tagging him at all. Nor would he be worried about webbing. The onyl thing he worries about is spdey landing a good enough hit to ko him. Yet that has never happened save for the most recent fight between the two. You dont think DD can down Spidey with a death blow or nerve hit?🤨 DD's senses put his reflexes with Spiderman's. His fighting ability that allows him to roll with punches would always and always have nulled Spidermans strength. Its already nulled Hulks, Namors and Things strength. theres not assuming DD can dodge a guy whos faster and stronger than him cause hes done it countless times in the past. Same for Spiderman.

Originally posted by willRules
I don't disagree with that. That's one of the reasons I think DD is such a great character. He has had sooooo many obstacles in his life that he has managed to overcome and this is clearly represented by the fact he is one of the very few heroes not noted for his extraordinary powers but his weakness, the fact he is blind. 🙂

In a way, id rather have the senses than sight. But thats just me.

Originally posted by willRules
AS far as I am concerned he can have 20 hours of prep, but unless he pulls extra help from other heroes or an anti-spider-man device from his anus (Like the writer of the Sin Eater storyline with the death of Jean Dewolf) DD is losing this.

And as for his senses being more efficient, I can only imagining him using them to smell defeat quicker than the average person 🙂

Hey, hes never had much problem holding up to Spiderman of all the fights they have had. 20 minutes or 20 hours would spell curtains for Web-Head. Imo, Spidey always seems to have more trouble with DD than DD does with him.😬

DD takes the majority. 😛

Spidey Curbstomps him..😬
DD wouldn't be 100% after fighting Bullseye and Black Panther and only getting 20 min. of rest.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but what you posted is only a one time feat and would not necessarily mean that he would beat Spider-man. Look at Blade Cutter's picture.

One time feat?🤨 And what would that be? That Spidey couldnt knock DD out?❌ Do you own the comic that Blade Cutter put up? Do you know that what he put up was a one time feat?😆
Do you know that after that scan, Daredevil STILL Wasnt knocked out and proceded to dodge all of Spideys punches?

Originally posted by willRules
And in the text for that scene DD admits how screwed he is ✅

And tell us all how screwed DD was after? Sure was screwed wasnt he?🙄

Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Why don't you post the rest of that fight are at lest that page or do I have to shw every one for you?

I already have the comic thank you, but if you want to post the rest of that fight, then be my guest. It wont help your arguement at all.😄

Spidey still beats him in this gauntlet......😛

Bah!

lol to the guy saying Spiderman cant KO Daredevil.
Daredevil has human limitations. Spidey is class 10-15.
You think blows that have tons of power backing them up wont KO DD? 🙄
People still underestimate spidey strength because he is a slim looking hero. If Spidey had a ruthless mind he could tear peoples limbs/heads off, throw cars at people, swing guys by their feet into concrete walls till they are ground beef.

I dont think someone knows the properties of DD's abilities/powers. Spiderman has ko'd DD one time out of about 8 fights. And DD ko him in that same fight as well. It was a stalemate. If you read fights where DD is fighting someone who is stronger than him, youd see that Daredevil ALWAYS rolls with the punches to reduce their effectveness. Evern when he fights regular street-level characters such as Cap, IF, Pun etc. Its not like im just making things up.

Noone is underestimating Spideys strength here. Because i say Hulk, Thing and Namor also struggled to ko DD means that im underestimating thier strength as well?

Originally posted by jrodslam
I dont think someone knows the properties of DD's abilities/powers. Spiderman has ko'd DD one time out of about 8 fights. And DD ko him in that same fight as well. It was a stalemate. If you read fights where DD is fighting someone who is stronger than him, youd see that Daredevil ALWAYS rolls with the punches to reduce their effectveness. Evern when he fights regular street-level characters such as Cap, IF, Pun etc. Its not like im just making things up.

Noone is underestimating Spideys strength here. Because i say Hulk, Thing and Namor also struggled to ko DD means that im underestimating thier strength as well?

DD doesnt stan a chance against Hulk or thing even namor. If he beat them some how its PIS. He probably dodged their blows, got out the way or whatever other evasive tactic he took to not getting his skeleton smashed. Daredevils blows would have no effect on those 3 whatsoever though. Only thing DD could do so he would not get KO'ed is get out the damn way.
In the Spidey fights I do think that the writters want to make the fights seems intense and such. If it was more realistic to their abilities, SM would have no trouble taking care of DD.
ps. im not a DD hater. 😉

Originally posted by Inhuman
DD doesnt stan a chance against Hulk or thing even namor. If he beat them some how its PIS. He probably dodged their blows, got out the way or whatever other evasive tactic he took to not getting his skeleton smashed. Daredevils blows would have no effect on those 3 whatsoever though. Only thing DD could do so he would not get KO'ed is get out the damn way.
In the Spidey fights I do think that the writters want to make the fights seems intense and such. If it was more realistic to their abilities, SM would have no trouble taking care of DD.
ps. im not a DD hater. 😉

Im not saying DD stands chances against Hulk, Thing and Namor. It all depends on environment and circumstance. When fighting Thing and the FF, DD useds his smarts to get the bes tof Thing for a while. Ive never said DD beat Hulk and Namor. Ive said they ahvce had much trouble ko'ing him. Daredevils blows would have effects on them depending on where he hit them. Like Cap said when fighting Hulk, "Weakspots are weakspots." Everyone has them.
In the Spidey fights i also thing they try to make them somewhat interesting. However if it were more realistic, Spidey would never hit DD actually and DD could literally kill him with a touch. Which would be easier than Spidey knocking him out.

Jrod is making some excellent points as usual.

With that said, Spidey wins. 😛

Begone Val.

But due to DD only getting 20 min rest/prep between fights, he makes it to Spiderman and can go either way really.