The Bible vs The Book of Mormon

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Did you know that they actually have definitively found a Book of Mormon place? Where you ask? Jerusalem. What, that doesn't count? How about Nahom (place at a place currently called Nehem), or Bountiful.

As for New world geography, there are several competing theories among LDS scholars as to where things were. And most of them fit in the Geography mentioned in the book. So while the definite places in the new world haven't been found, Several in the old have and there are possible sites for the new world places.

Bible? Where's the city of enoch? Where's eden? Where's the tower of Babel? How about the land of Nod?

You see, aside from certain places that retained their place names, the bible has the same problems that the BoM has.

Originally posted by docb77
Did you know that they actually have definitively found a Book of Mormon place? Where you ask? Jerusalem. What, that doesn't count? How about Nahom (place at a place currently called Nehem), or Bountiful.

As for New world geography, there are several competing theories among LDS scholars as to where things were. And most of them fit in the Geography mentioned in the book. So while the definite places in the new world haven't been found, Several in the old have and there are possible sites for the new world places.

Bible? Where's the city of enoch? Where's eden? Where's the tower of Babel? How about the land of Nod?

You see, aside from certain places that retained their place names, the bible has the same problems that the BoM has.

Babel was actually in Iraq I believe, but I am unsure of this. My father worked for the federal government there for a while. As to the rest, I do not know of locations for them.

Originally posted by Regret
Babel was actually in Iraq I believe, but I am unsure of this. My father worked for the federal government there for a while. As to the rest, I do not know of locations for them.

Yes, Babel, or Babylon, was in that region (either that or iran anyways, I don't remember). I was actually referring to the tower though. They haven't found the ruins of this massive architectural undertaking.

Well, the city of Enoch was taken off the earth, says so in the Bible, so that city will never be found. Just figured I would state that.

Babylon was in moder day Iraq. It was one of the greatest cities of the ancient world. Imo ranked:

Rome
Babylon
Alexandria
Athens

You left out tenochitlan, I mean they had brain surgery in ancient america, Pyramids as big or bigger than the egyptian ones, all kinds of neat stuff. They were as advanced as any of their contemporaries.

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by the way, that sort of supports the BoM

One of the most impressive things about the aztecs were ground quartz lenses...they just didnt put them to very good use. The romans were 1400 years ahead fo their time with steam power, again, they just ddint put it to good use...they had it opening doors for their priests etc to make the spectacle...you know.

The Aztec/Mayan pyramids were smaller than egyptian, but El Castillo is im more beautiful. Its amazing that heavean was only 10 sotries high.

and this supports the Book of....what?

The whole story of ancient people writing on metal plates to preserve a document for future generations was ridiculous in 1830. It was unheard of. Anti-Mormon books emphasized the stupidity of such an idea. And now museums around the world offer numerous examples of recently discovered ancient writings on gold, copper, lead, and other metals. The copper scroll from Israel is a remarkably strong parallel - sacred writings on metal to be preserved for the future.

Nephi gives specific directions, descriptions, a place name for a burial site (Nahom) and a description of a beautiful, green, tree-rich coastal location nearly due east of Nahom which Nephi's group called Bountiful. Today, numerous details of the account have been verified - right down to the location of the ancient burial place called Nahom ("Nehem" on modern maps) and the discovery of a sterling candidate for Bountiful nearly due east of Nahom on the coast of Oman. This place, Wadi Sayq, meets every criteria offered by the Book of Mormon text (abundant fruit, trees, fresh water, cliffs, a mountain, flint, ore, etc.).

Anti-Mormon books still poke fun at Bountiful, for "everyone knows" that there can be no such place in the barren, dry Arabian Peninsula. They have been proven terribly wrong, and the only logical explanation for the accuracy of Nephi's account is that it was written by someone who actually made the journey described in the Book of Mormon. (See In the Footsteps of Lehi by Warren P. Aston and Michael K. Aston, Deseret Book Comp., Salt Lake City, UT, 1994)

Today the use of concrete in ancient Mesoamerica is well known. Tourists to Mesoamerica can find ancient cement work in abundance at Teotihuacan (which is in the right area for cement use according to modern models for Book of Mormon geography). Mesoamerican cement was being used at least by the first century B.C. It was a blunder for anyone writing in 1830 - but now is one more piece of evidence (though a tiny one!) of authenticity.

Book of Mormon names were also a target for attack - and still are, even by people who know better. Most laughable of all was the name Alma, one of the most prominent in the Book of Mormon. Alma is a woman's name of Latin origin (as in alma mater) and is common in Spanish and occurs in America as well. Yet it is a man's name in the Book of Mormon. Smith really blew it - using a Latin woman's name in a Semitic society! However, the name Alma has now been discovered as an authentic ancient Jewish man's name. In the Judean Cave of Letters, on 15 March 1961, Professor Yadin found a bundle of papyrus rolls wrapped in a cloth. And among them was a deed to some land near En-Gedi owned by four men, one of whom was "Alma the son of Judah." This papyrus was (and may still be) displayed prominently in the Shrine of the Book (or is it Scroll?) in Jerusalem (the dome-like white building not far from the Jerusalem Hilton). For more information about the authenticity of Book of Mormon names, see the online article "Book of Mormon Names Attested in Ancient Hebrew Inscriptions" by John A. Tvedtnes, John Gee, and Matthew Roper in the Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, Vol. 9, No. 1, 2000, pp. 41-51.

....BoM means book of Mormon.

Actually, I believe the Mayans used cement before the Aztecs. They were a brilliant peoples.

Originally posted by Regret
The whole story of ancient people writing on metal plates to preserve a document for future...

I cut the post

I got this info from a website, and did a bad thing. I forgot to place the link to it in the post. I do not remember the site now, and I am sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. I am sure that by doing a search on the text you can find it.

I have heard of such writing on metal too, but not specifically religous texts.

Mormons believe the Book of Mormon was translated off gold plates, and they were taken away after completion.

🙁

Originally posted by Regret
Mormons believe the Book of Mormon was translated off gold plates, and they were taken away after completion.

How were the gold plates found?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
How were the gold plates found?

Divine guidance through angelic messenger.

Originally posted by Regret
Divine guidance through angelic messenger.

This is not good Regret 😕

" I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, TO A DIFFERENT GOSPEL, WHICH IS NOT ANOTHER; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL TO YOU THAN WHAT WE HAVE PREACHED to you, let him be accursed."

Galatians 1:6-8

I am happy you left the Mormon Church Regret. 🙂 💃

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
This is not good Regret 😕

" I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, TO A DIFFERENT GOSPEL, WHICH IS NOT ANOTHER; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL TO YOU THAN WHAT WE HAVE PREACHED to you, let him be accursed."

Galatians 1:6-8

I am happy you left the Mormon Church Regret. 🙂 💃

I am a Mormon

Originally posted by Regret
I am a Mormon

Well, please don't be offended, but that is a big issue regarding this book being delivered/transfered by an angel wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Well, please don't be offended, but that is a big issue regarding this book being delivered/transfered by an angel wouldn't you say?

I am not, as of yet offended.

No, there is absolutely nowhere in the Bible that would say this was inappropriate. I believe the gospel of the LDS church in no way is different than that found in the Bible. It may be different than your interpretation of the gospel, but not in the language itself as interpreted by myself and those of my faith.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
" I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, TO A DIFFERENT GOSPEL, WHICH IS NOT ANOTHER; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL TO YOU THAN WHAT WE HAVE PREACHED to you, let him be accursed."

This is interesting, because not only does it say that angels are dangerous, but its a wonderful statement of that self-sustaining delision principle.