The Bible vs The Book of Mormon

I borrowed QM's ideas. Its a cool theory anyway.

Funny you should say that, since Joseph Smith taught that for God time was "one eternal round".

The idea of a circle is hardly anything new. 😆

Which doesn't hurt his credibility one way or the other since he said he was restoring an ancient religion.

Originally posted by Alliance
What if time loops around so there is no beginning and no end? what do you say then? And why can't your god use letters that aren't cool?

To tell you the truth, I don't believe in time as a dimension or much of anything else. I believe it is merely man's manner of labeling the space between events. It is useful, but I do not believe there is any going back, I enjoy thinking about the possibility as in the thread on the philosophy forum, but I do not believe it is a variable that can truly be manipulated. So I don't believe a loop is possible.

Originally posted by Regret
To tell you the truth, I don't believe in time as a dimension or much of anything else. I believe it is merely man's manner of labeling the space between events. It is useful, but I do not believe there is any going back, I enjoy thinking about the possibility as in the thread on the philosophy forum, but I do not believe it is a variable that can truly be manipulated. So I don't believe a loop is possible.

I believe it is merely man's manner of labeling the gaps between events.

I think gaps may have been a better term.

Originally posted by Regret
To tell you the truth, I don't believe in time as a dimension or much of anything else. I believe it is merely man's manner of labeling the space between events. It is useful, but I do not believe there is any going back, I enjoy thinking about the possibility as in the thread on the philosophy forum, but I do not believe it is a variable that can truly be manipulated. So I don't believe a loop is possible.

Time is a dimension, it is part of the fabric o f the universe. Things have duration. Time is rather unidirectional, but it does change relativistically when speed increases. It can be very experimentally proven.

Time travel is a different story and not necessarily a credible one. It is possible for spacetime to loop upon itself, though it has never been observed.

Originally posted by Alliance
Then you are misunderstanding me.

Time is a dimension, it is part of the fabric o f the universe. Things have duration. Time is rather unidirectional, but it does change relativistically when speed increases. It can be very experimentally proven.

It can be shown that things change state. It cannot be shown that time changes relativistically, the only observable item is that the rate of change is somehow altered. Time is not an observable entity, and cannot be measured per say. We measure the rate of change in a given material and using it we count. Time does not have evidence to support it's existence. There are only alterations in the state of the universe that occur following other alterations. It is semantics, but there is nothing that makes "time" a real thing, it is a construct used as a description of man's observation of change in the universe.

Originally posted by Regret
It can be shown that things change state. It cannot be shown that time changes relativistically, the only observable item is that the rate of change is somehow altered. Time is not an observable entity, and cannot be measured per say. We measure the rate of change in a given material and using it we count. Time does not have evidence to support it's existence. There are only alterations in the state of the universe that occur following other alterations. It is semantics, but there is nothing that makes "time" a real thing, it is a construct used as a description of man's observation of change in the universe.

No it does not. I believe it has been shown that time changes relativistically. Time (concept) is out measurement in seconds etc of (time) the physical entity. They should not be confused. THis is no differnent to measuring the space part of space time with meters.

Originally posted by Alliance
No it does not. I believe it has been shown that time changes relativistically. Time (concept) is out measurement in seconds etc of (time) the physical entity. They should not be confused. THis is no differnent to measuring the space part of space time with meters.

Perhaps, I have not read the studies on it. I would like evidence of times existence outside of alterations in physical entities though, I am still skeptical that it can truly be measured apart from some type of physical change.

edit: it is a bit odd that I am more skeptical of time than I am of God...

Maybe its a sign.

Originally posted by Alliance
Maybe its a sign.

Maybe I am an atheist as far as time's existence goes?

Or maybe time exists?

cross-reference

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One book is real and the other is not.

which is which then.........I have the book of Pearl.

Originally posted by the Darkone
One book is real and the other is not.

funny, I've read both books. How do you read a book that isn't real?

And on a more serious note, have you bothered to read the one you think isn't "real" all the way through?

Originally posted by the Darkone
One book is real and the other is not.

are you living in darkness? 😉

Originally posted by the Darkone
One book is real and the other is not.

I realize that your support of the Book of Mormon is strong, but even the Mormons have a strong belief in the reality of the Bible. I don't think one can claim that the Book of Mormon is real if the Bible is not.