but then why werent there any teachigns about this when jesus did his work i mena this stuff is only begins to eb talked about after the mormon religion begins, this is obviosuly soemthign very important i dont think god woudl disreagrd soemthign liek this and then only tell it to ur prophets later on
Quick question here - How can you deny that God is both spirit and flesh and blood, the Bible teaches both according to you. Mainstream Christians believe that Christ and God are one, Christ obviously had a body, (make that has a body since he was resurrected). Yet the Bible also says God is spirit.
to make it more explicit,
Originally posted by gordomuchacho
but then why werent there any teachigns about this when jesus did his work i mena this stuff is only begins to eb talked about after the mormon religion begins, this is obviosuly soemthign very important i dont think god woudl disreagrd soemthign liek this and then only tell it to ur prophets later on
Well, during Christ's time the ressurection had not begun, and therefore it would not be taught because it hadn't exisited yet, now after Christ's ressurection, the prophets were killed, and until Joseph Smith, there were no Prophets, no Prophet = no revelation, no revelation = no new teachings from God
Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Here is 2 contradicting things the mormon church teaches1. D&C 130:22 "god is flesh and bone" 1 Nephi 11:13 "god is a great spirit"
explain to me how that can be possible2. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p.370 - speaks of the plurality of gods
Bible - Isaiah 43:10, 44: 6-8, 1 Corinthians 8:4 all state that there is one god,christianity preaches monotheism not polytheism like lds
I know the references are wrong, but I will answer the question.
God the Father - Always had flesh and bones in Mormon belief, at least as far as is relevant to us. We do believe that God became God, and so at some point in the dim eternal past he was spirit, but that is irrelevant. It is the question of where did God come from. He is Alpha and Omega to us, he was there when we came into being and will be there at our end. What occurred previously is irrelevant.
Jesus - Was spirit, was created as spirit first of all things God did. So Jesus is eternal. Jesus, for us can be considered Alpha and Omega, he was there when we came into being and will be there at our end.
Holy Spirit - Is a spirit, not much is known about him. He was created shortly after Jesus in the spirit. He will gain a body at some point, speculation is either at the beginning or the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ.
We believe that much of the speaking by God in the Old Testament was Christ. Christ, prior to his birth, was a spirit. Christ had already achieved his status as a God by volunteering to be the sacrificial lamb. He was God. Now, I do not believe that God the Father never spoke to man in the Old Testament. Thus there will be some conflict as to statements made prior to Christ's birth.
Did I make all that clear?
Now, the early Hebrews are believed to have been polytheistic by some historians and archaeologists, and that some alterations have been made to the Old Testament to cover this. I do not have the references handy, and so, if I am wrong, I apologize. I have read that the modern Jews vehemently deny this suggestion, but if Mormon beliefs are true this idea is not without some merit.
We do not believe in worshipping other Gods though. We also do not believe that another God is capable of influencing our existence. Now this talk of Gods and possibly becoming a God is premature for our existence, and may as well be similar to the question of where did God come from.
edit: The Book of Mormon includes passages that would be prior to the New Testament as well as during the New Testament and following it. Also, the Book of Mormon was abridged, and at times altered slightly by Mormon during the abridging. It is possible errors could exist due to this.
Now, I have never studied the Book of Mormon (as I am now the Old and New Testament texts proper, as well as Kaballistic and Islamic texts) but the entire principle of the religion has always seemed to me to be....well, to be entirely honest, the biggest load I've ever heard. Comparable also is "Scientology," (is was invented by a science-fiction author people!).
Still, I'd love to study the Book even simply for its æsthetic values.
Originally posted by Regret
Jesus - Was spirit, was created as spirit first of all things God did. So Jesus is eternal. Jesus, for us can be considered Alpha and Omega, he was there when we came into being and will be there at our end.
How can you say you don't disagree that Jesus is the creator when you write that Jesus was created. Jesus was never created, he is Yahweh Elohiem the creator of the universe.
Originally posted by Joseph_Kerr
How can you say you don't disagree that Jesus is the creator when you write that Jesus was created. Jesus was never created, he is Yahweh Elohiem the creator of the universe.
Just because something existed prior to what we know and understand does not mean it was not created. There is no place in the Bible that states that Christ was not created. If he was created and then God created things through him, he still created everything, where is there contradiction? He created the all of existence as we know it, that does not make it impossible for God to create Christs spirit prior to that creation. Did you read the entire post?
regret, can u explain to me why it states in the bom that god has been around from all eternity and will be there til eternity becuz that contradicts that he became a god, he either existed forever as god or became a god it cant be both (Moroni 8:18) "For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchageable from all eternity to all eternity" (Dont worry this citation si right im looking at it right now)
Originally posted by gordomuchacho
regret, can u explain to me why it states in the bom that god has been around from all eternity and will be there til eternity becuz that contradicts that he became a god, he either existed forever as god or became a god it cant be both (Moroni 8:18) "For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchageable from all eternity to all eternity" (Dont worry this citation si right im looking at it right now)
Mormon 9:7-10
7 And again I speak unto you who deny the revelations of God, and say that they are done away, that there are no revelations, nor prophecies, nor gifts, nor healing, nor speaking with tongues, and the interpretation of tongues;
8 Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea, he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them.
9 For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing?
10 And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then have ye imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles.
Alma 7:20
20 I perceive that it has been made known unto you, by the testimony of his word, that he cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round.
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Originally posted by the Darkone
God has always been God, he is the Alpha and Omega. To say he achieve God hood is ridiculous, because he was God before time ever existed.
Originally posted by AllianceTrue as in many theories in quantum physics.....Circular just as it seems everything flow in that way...season, etc..etc....blah blah..........
What if time loops around so there is no beginning and no end? what do you say then? And why can't your god use letters that aren't cool?
I'm tired.