Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Endless Mike
In the manga, Buu never even used the ghost attack against Vegeto. Most of their fight in the anime was filler.

In the manga, Vegeto didn't even fight him in base form like in the anime, he went straight to SSJ form, and started beating him up, then Buu tried to hide in the mist from his body, but Vegeto still pounded him, so then Buu transformed him but he fought him as a candy so Buu transformed him back, and then Vegeto beat him up a bit more, and then Buu absorbed him. Everything else is filler.

As for Goku using the IT in combat, he has only used it once against Cell as part of a trick that required him to spend a lot of time charging up his kamehameha (something Superman would never allow), and a few times against Kid Buu, solely for the purpose of dodging his attacks.

Goku is nowhere near Superman's speed. [B]Superman fights at speeds transcending lightspeed, from the earth to the sun and back in under a minute and 54 seconds (Wonder Woman sacrifice arc), inside of a black hole, he can percieve and react to FTL attacks, whereas DBZ characters have no feats that put them at even 1% of lightspeed. If Superman was using anywhere near his full speed Goku wouldn't even be able to percieve him. [/B]

"Filler" is your opinion and does not apply to DBZ so stop it. It happened and it exists.

The fact is Goku used Shunkan Idou in battle, that is too much for Supes.

Superman Travles at lightspeed, he failed to escape a Black Hole and it is stated that he is only lightspeed. Ki Blasts are lightspeed and goku dodges them all the time.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
he failed to escape a Black Hole

You have no grounds to accuse others of lying you know.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That explains why he escaped a black hole doesn't it?

You have no grounds to accuse others of lying you know.

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Originally posted by Phenomenol
"Filler" is your opinion and does not apply to DBZ so stop it. It happened and it exists.

Not if the plots were written by the animation studio and not Toriyama, and weren't in the original manga (which is the only real canon, the anime is just an adaptation).

You're the only one who says that there's no such thing as canon.

The fact is Goku used Shunkan Idou in battle, that is too much for Supes.

I already debunked this. He doesn't use it in battle, except once or twice to dodge attacks. He still has to think to use it, and against an enemy much faster than he is, by the time he thinks to teleport, his enemy will be somewhere else. This is basic logic. Superman has defeated teleporting enemies all the time.

Superman Travles at lightspeed, he failed to escape a Black Hole

Wrong, he escaped, in fact he has encountered black hole type gravity at least 4 times and dealt with it.

and it is stated that he is only lightspeed.

A statement he made 10 years ago when he had tons of mental blocks and was way weaker than he is now. He has flown from Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes, flown from Earth to beyond the orbit of Mercury and back in under 1 minute and 54 seconds (while fighting), flown Darkseid to the sun (while fighting) in the span of time it only took him to say a few sentences, flew from Earth to the remains of Krypton (which is in another galaxy) in a few hours, flew from Vega to Earth (which is 26 light - years away) in a few minutes, flown an interstellar distance in a few minutes to rescue Kyle, reacted when an FTL spaceship attacked the earth and flew out to meet it, while everyone else except the Flash was so slow in comparison they appeared frozen, flown from the earth to the moon in a second, etc.

Ki Blasts are lightspeed and goku dodges them all the time.

Ki blasts are nowhere near lightspeed. Normal humans in the DBU can easily track them. If you accept the anime as canon, which you do, many of them only move a few dozen meters per second

Originally posted by Phenomenol
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Now post the rest of it

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not if the plots were written by the animation studio and not Toriyama, and weren't in the original manga (which is the only real canon, the anime is just an adaptation).You're the only one who says that there's no such thing as canon.I already debunked this. He doesn't use it in battle, except once or twice to dodge attacks. He still has to think to use it, and against an enemy much faster than he is, by the time he thinks to teleport, his enemy will be somewhere else. This is basic logic. Superman has defeated teleporting enemies all the time.
Wrong, he escaped, in fact he has encountered black hole type gravity at least 4 times and dealt with it. A statement he made 10 years ago when he had tons of mental blocks and was way weaker than he is now. He has flown from Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes, flown from Earth to beyond the orbit of Mercury and back in under 1 minute and 54 seconds (while fighting), flown Darkseid to the sun (while fighting) in the span of time it only took him to say a few sentences, flew from Earth to the remains of Krypton (which is in another galaxy) in a few hours, flew from Vega to Earth (which is 26 light - years away) in a few minutes, flown an interstellar distance in a few minutes to rescue Kyle, reacted when an FTL spaceship attacked the earth and flew out to meet it, while everyone else except the Flash was so slow in comparison they appeared frozen, flown from the earth to the moon in a second, etc.
Ki blasts are nowhere near lightspeed. Normal humans in the DBU can easily track them. If you accept the anime as canon, which you do, many of them only move a few dozen meters per second

I showed you interviews where Toriyama wrote stroylines for the "FILLER" anime. "Filler" is fanbased and it is up to the Author not you. Goku used Shunkan Idou in battle, him using it once or twice makes no difference because instantaneous movement > Superman, period. The statement STILL stands that Supes can't move FTL and him not escaping a Blckhole is proof of that. Ki blasts in DBZ hit the moon instantly and Goku dodges them.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Now post the rest of it

I don't need to, I just showed you how Supes FAILED to escape a Blackhole with his speed.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
I showed you interviews where Toriyama wrote stroylines for the "FILLER" anime.

No, you showed me interviews where Toriyama gave the animation crew "vague ideas" and then had them "go wild with it" and then he stated he was "always surprised at what they came up with".

🙄

"Filler" is fanbased and it is up to the Author not you.

Filler = everything that wasn't in the manga. This is a very simple concept.

Goku used Shunkan Idou in battle, him using it once or twice makes no difference because instantaneous movement > Superman, period.

Not if Superman can move faster than the user can think or percieve.

The statement STILL stands that Supes can't move FTL

Despite the fact that he has dozens of feats of doing so, many of which I just detailed.

Explain how he got to Rao in Infinite Crisis. If he could only move lightspeed, it would take him millions of years.

[quote[and him not escaping a Blckhole is proof of that.[/quote]

Except he did escape the black hole. Otherwise, why isn't he still inside of it? You just posted the first few scans, where he meets the alien, and then he escapes later.

Ki blasts in DBZ hit the moon instantly

Lie. No timeframe was given. In fact, in the Roshi incident, a human clearly saw it flying, and there was a huge long conversation before they noticed the moon was gone. In addition, those were anomalies, and the vast majority of DBZ ki blasts don't move anywhere near that fast. Not to mention that if you accept the anime as canon, you can track their speed using the animation frame and scaling as being only a few hundred/dozen meters per second (and even single - digit meters per second in some cases).

You just want the anime to be canon when it helps your case, but you ignore the fact that it backfires against you.

and Goku dodges them.

See above.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
I don't need to, I just showed you how Supes FAILED to escape a Blackhole with his speed.

No, you showed him getting distracted by that alien, and you deliberately omitted the later part where he speeds up again and escapes.

What a liar this guy is, seriously. 😆

"I'll use doctored evidence and assume these guys are dumb and they don't know the rest of the story."

If he doesn't post the rest I will...

Edit:
Times up!
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8946/untitled166ov4wo.jpg

Look at that... That explains why he's not still stuck in that double black hole. 🙄 ...because he escaped.

Seriously, It's obvious that he's just a troll. Everybody would benefit from putting him on ignore.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, you showed me interviews where Toriyama gave the animation crew "vague ideas" and then had them "go wild with it" and then he stated he was "always surprised at what they came up with".🙄 Filler = everything that wasn't in the manga. This is a very simple concept.Not if Superman can move faster than the user can think or percieve.Despite the fact that he has dozens of feats of doing so, many of which I just detailed.Explain how he got to Rao in Infinite Crisis. If he could only move lightspeed, it would take him millions of years.[quote[and him not escaping a Blckhole is proof of that.Except he did escape the black hole. Otherwise, why isn't he still inside of it? You just posted the first few scans, where he meets the alien, and then he escapes later. Lie. No timeframe was given. In fact, in the Roshi incident, a human clearly saw it flying, and there was a huge long conversation before they noticed the moon was gone. In addition, those were anomalies, and the vast majority of DBZ ki blasts don't move anywhere near that fast. Not to mention that if you accept the anime as canon, you can track their speed using the animation frame and scaling as being only a few hundred/dozen meters per second (and even single - digit meters per second in some cases). You just want the anime to be canon when it helps your case, but you ignore the fact that it backfires against you. See above.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=459902&pagenumber=10 🙄

Superman's reflexes are not faster than thought. 🙄 I just posted scans of Supes FAILING to move out of a BlackHole, that is not FTL. As for your tracking the anime speed argument bullcrap........ http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=244885&page=2. Ki blasts are FTL.

What a liar this guy is, seriously.

"I'll use doctored evidence and assume these guys are dumb and they don't know the rest of the story."

If he doesn't post the rest I will...

Your the liar, now post the rest of them. 🙄

Originally posted by Phenomenol
I just posted scans of Supes FAILING to move out of a BlackHole, that is not FTL.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And I just posted the rest of the story that you are deliberatly lieing about. I was joking around before about throwing your own words back at you but after this level of intelectual dishonesty its clearly evident that you are indeed the liar.

You didn't anything back at me. You failed to post Supes escaping the blackhole via speed and I showed him failing to do so. your the lair here.

And here's another black hole:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1291/1205zz6dt.jpg

Honestly.

Furthermore, if you actually watch the anime, you can see the ki blasts. If they were faster than light, you wouldn't be able to. This is a simple concept.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And here's another black hole:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1291/1205zz6dt.jpg

Honestly.

Furthermore, if you actually watch the anime, you can see the ki blasts. If they were faster than light, you wouldn't be able to. This is a simple concept.

Don't post scans if we can't read them. Mike characters more powerful than you can't see the ki blasts, your sit at home ass is suppose to see the ki blasts for your enjoyment. 🙄

Your trolling has been reported.

I don't know enough about Supes to say who wins, but one thing you should know is that DBZ characters are capable of moving faster than sight, that's why Goku and the others train themselves to detect opponents by ki, so they can defend against blows of opponents their eyes can't track.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Don't post scans if we can't read them. Mike characters more powerful than you can't see the ki blasts, your sit at home ass is suppose to see the ki blasts for your enjoyment. 🙄

Which is why I suggest we use the canon manga, because in the anime, you cannot only see the ki blasts, but you can track them, and measure their speed (and more often than not it's lower than the speed of modern sidearm rounds). Furthermore, normal humans can track ki blasts in DBZ on several occasions.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Your trolling has been reported.

Go ahead you just LIED about that.

I did no flaming I only posted FACTS. Your mad because you lose.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I don't know enough about Supes to say who wins, but one thing you should know is that DBZ characters are capable of moving faster than sight, that's why Goku and the others train themselves to detect opponents by ki, so they can defend against blows of opponents their eyes can't track.

Obviously they can move faster than people can see. The problem is when people try to equate this with lightspeed when there is no supporting evidence.