Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

No, it was in the manga.

And in actuality, Goku is REALLY weak physically, he had to go Super Saiyan to be able to lift 40 tons.

Well I wouldn't say that Gokou is weak. Weaker than Superman yea but not really weak.

Physically, he IS weak, at least compared to most superheroes. 40 tons isn't a lot of weight compared to most heroes or villains in the Marvel & DC world. Just think, if Goku got into a straight up fist fight with someone like the Hulk, he'd get his ass whooped badly.

Yes but he's nowhere near being low level in strength though. Most heroes with super strength sure reach at least 100 tons but he's also not maxed out at 40 tons as he was lifting it easily. Then again was it 40 tons or 10 tons on each arm and leg?

It was 10, then King Kai boosted it to 40 to which Goku began to plummet down to the Earth & had to turn Super Saiyan. At the most he can lift 100 tons in his Super Saiyan 3 form.

I think he can lift more than 100 tons. If you go by he went from 10 to 40 just by ssj. He maybe be able to do 70 easily in ssj2 and 100 easily in ssj3. So his max would be over 100 I believe. So he could probably punch it out with Thing or Colossus. He'd probably have the speed advantage over them also. But against somebody with strength like Hulk or Thor he'd be toast.

dude it was 10 thousand tons on each arm and leg times another 10 for the gravity difference.........

No, it was not. It's in the manga, it was only 10 tons, not 10 thousand you moron, at least several people have verified this claim.

The gravity on that planet was never even stated. Even if it was, it wouldn't matter, since tons is a measure of force, not mass. If you have a 40 ton weight on Earth and then take it to a planet with 10 times Earth's gravity, you wouldn't call it a 40 ton weight anymore, you would call it a 400 ton weight.

Furthermore, DBZ characters take hours to reach places on the same planet by flying even if they are rushing at top speed.

Agreed. And wasn't it 10 or 20x the gravity on that planet? Well, I'm sure it was 40 tons anyway which still isn't much.

The only gravity stated was King Kai's planet I believe which was 10x's. Just because King Kai's planet was doesn't mean every other Kai planet is though.

I'm not saying it was though, you're putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by Soljer
Speed of Goku's thought != 'speed of thought.'

Not saying that Goku wins, just pointing out that even in Dragonball, when Kullilin and Jackie Chun fought, the audience watching them saw nothing but them jump past each other - followed by Kullilin falling to the ground.

In reality, they exchanged several blows, played rock paper scissors, had a conversation, and THEN fell past each other.

I'd say that, in order to do all of that, their speed of thought would have to be a SKOSH higher than the average joe's.

To play the rock scissor's paper game they'd need to be moving less than the speed of light so they could see each other's results. Even allowing for that they'd have to be moving slower than the speed of sound to hear each other during the convo. When you factor in the both of them, the fight not regulated by a speed, the game regulated by speed of light AND the conversation for less than the speed of sound in the time given, its a paradoxical impossability.

It was for comedic effect.

But it still happened, it makes no sense, but it's still canon if it was in the manga, and that was DB Krillin and Roshi. Also, Goku is not physically weak.😬 Not as strong as Supes fo sho but not weak.

Actually I think someone calculated that scene once and came to the conclusion that they would have to react around 30 times as fast as the fastest real - life humans. It's fast, but not nearly fast enough for the kind of speed we're talking about.

Present DBZ is clearly much faster than that.😐

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Present DBZ is clearly much faster than that.😐

Indeed. Look at it this way; they did all of what I mentioned totally unseen by the audience. Later, Piccolo was too fast for THEM to see. Later, Vegeta was too fast for the people that beat piccolo to see. Later, Furieza was too fast for the people that beat Vegeta to see. Later, Cell was too fast for the people that beat Furieza to see. Later, Buu was too fast for the people that beat Cell to see...

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Still, Superman beats the hell out of Goku or Buu or Cell....

Just saying.

And yet normal humans can still see them fight all the way to the end of the manga.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And yet normal humans can still see them fight all the way to the end of the manga.

Where?

Because, I've argued on both sides of this 'debate,' and I dunno if I'd agree or disagree.

Humans can certainly see them when they stand there monologuing. Perhaps even when they separate for their smoke and mirrors energy attacks.

However, whenever they actually went at it, they were invisible. 😬.

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