Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Soljer
Where?

Because, I've argued on both sides of this 'debate,' and I dunno if I'd agree or disagree.

Humans can certainly see them when they stand there monologuing. Perhaps even when they separate for their smoke and mirrors energy attacks.

However, whenever they actually went at it, they were invisible. 😬.

Wrong, when they fight even up to the end of the manga humans can see them. They can only fight invisibly for short bursts lasting a few seconds.

Here, look (excuse the bad quality scans):

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2963/humanspercieve57ll8.gif
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8215/humanspercieve60fh1.gif
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1465/humanspercieve61sw6.gif
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3996/humanspercieve64dr0.gif
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/453/humanspercieve68ju2.gif
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7017/kireaction24zz9.jpg

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Wrong, when they fight even up to the end of the manga humans can see them. They can only fight invisibly for short bursts lasting a few seconds.

Here, look (excuse the bad quality scans):

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2963/humanspercieve57ll8.gif
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8215/humanspercieve60fh1.gif
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1465/humanspercieve61sw6.gif
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3996/humanspercieve64dr0.gif
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/453/humanspercieve68ju2.gif
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7017/kireaction24zz9.jpg

Thank you for posting comedic moments and your scans prove nothing because no one could see them fight (your scans show nothing).

They couldn't even see them in early Dragonball how the hell can you make up bull@#$% that they can see them now. 🙄

Your tricks will always be the same👇

Way to ignore the evidence. All of those were canon, like it or not, you can't just ignore them if you don't like them. And that was just a small sample, I have over 100.

I thought you were banned from this thread anyway.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Way to ignore the evidence. All of those were canon, like it or not, you can't just ignore them if you don't like them. And that was just a small sample, I have over 100.

I thought you were banned from this thread anyway.

Ignore what? you didn't post any human being able to understand WTF is going on in the fights.

What you posted was your bias and hate.

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Thank you for posting comedic moments and your scans prove nothing because no one could see them fight (your scans show nothing).

They couldn't even see them in early Dragonball how the hell can you make up bull@#$% that they can see them now. 🙄

Your tricks will always be the same👇

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Ignore what? you didn't post any human being able to understand WTF is going on in the fights.

What you posted was your bias and hate.

i've had TWO reports about your trolling, give it a rest please...

Originally posted by Phenomenol
Ignore what? you didn't post any human being able to understand WTF is going on in the fights.

What you posted was your bias and hate.

Stop ignoring the evidence. Mr. Satan and the other people clearly saw the ki blasts, and the fighting going on. Or else they would not have indicated that they had seen anything at all.

I already acknowledged that when they match ki, they slow way down. As for Kid buu attacking Satan, you'd have to be insane to think Kid Buu was going anywhere near as fast as he could. When Satan saw Buu getting choked...well...Buu was standing there getting choked.

So, really...all of what you posted...weren't really while they were FIGHTING.

Do you get my meaning?

Stop making excuses. What do you mean when "they match ki, they slow way down?"That doesn't even make sense.

Buu attacked Mr. Satan but only stopped because Fat Buu inside of him didn't want to hurt him. Before that he had no reason to hold back. And when Kid Buu and Fat Buu were fighting, they were exchanging punches and attacks at super speed just like every other DBZ fight, and Mr. Satan percieved the whole thing, just like he percieved the Goku and Vegeta vs. Kid Buu fight. I have a hundred scans showing the same kind of thing.

DBZ characters can move faster than humans can see, but they can only fight each other at those speeds for short bursts, lasting several seconds at most.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/333/kireaction29li7.gif

^Look, 18 doesn't even have ki, so your excuse doesn't apply here.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8564/humanspercieve20yo7.gif

^Here they were commenting on the very beginning of the fight. So they didn't have time to "match ki levels" or whatever.

Here's something else:

When Gohan was trying to fight crime, he transformed to SSJ form to disguise himself.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6764/gohandoesntwanttobeseenfs8.gif
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4937/humanspercieve34tu6.gif

If he was really that fast, he could have beaten up the robbers and then flown away so fast that he was invisible the whole time and no one saw a thing.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Here's something else:

When Gohan was trying to fight crime, he transformed to SSJ form to disguise himself.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6764/gohandoesntwanttobeseenfs8.gif
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4937/humanspercieve34tu6.gif

If he was really that fast, he could have beaten up the robbers and then flown away so fast that he was invisible the whole time and no one saw a thing.

Who said anything about matching Ki levels? I was talking about blasts. They separate, they aren't fighting, they're too far away for punches or kicks (which are, effectively, invisible), and they charge/fire Ki blasts.

THAT is visible - no doubt.

When they are in close combat, however, they are invisible, save at times for things like hammer blows, or the choking you so lovingly posted.

Originally posted by Takion
He allowed himself to get punched and he FELL! Anyone watched the Christmas DBZ edition of robot chicken?

That was filler. He never allowed himself to get punched in the manga. In fact there were several scenes of him just beating up criminals and people commenting on it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That was filler. He never allowed himself to get punched in the manga. In fact there were several scenes of him just beating up criminals and people commenting on it.

He was fighting HUMANS. Speed's power, my friend. Would you have preferred him to eviscerate the random guys?

Originally posted by Soljer
Who said anything about matching Ki levels? I was talking about blasts. They separate, they aren't fighting, they're too far away for punches or kicks (which are, effectively, invisible), and they charge/fire Ki blasts.

THAT is visible - no doubt.

When they are in close combat, however, they are invisible, save at times for things like hammer blows, or the choking you so lovingly posted.

Untrue. There are tons of examples that refute this, several of them I just posted.

Goku and Cell were just punching and kicking each other at first and Mr. Satan and the reporter were commenting on it. Kid Buu was doing more than just choking Fat Buu, he was throwing him around and punching and kicking him (look at the scan). I can post more if you want.

Originally posted by Soljer
He was fighting HUMANS. Speed's power, my friend. Would you have preferred him to eviscerate the random guys?

The point is that if he was as fast as people are claiming DBZ characters are, he wouldn't have needed to disguise himself since he could have just beaten them up and been gone before anyone saw anything (at most a blur).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Untrue. There are tons of examples that refute this, several of them I just posted.

Goku and Cell were just punching and kicking each other at first and Mr. Satan and the reporter were commenting on it. Kid Buu was doing more than just choking Fat Buu, he was throwing him around and punching and kicking him (look at the scan). I can post more if you want.

But you have no evidence that Satan saw the other things. In fact, Satan only ever even reacts AFTER the 'fighting' stops, and Kid Buu puts the chokehold on.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The point is that if he was as fast as people are claiming DBZ characters are, he wouldn't have needed to disguise himself since he could have just beaten them up and been gone before anyone saw anything (at most a blur).

And left them as a pile of bloody goop.

Originally posted by Soljer
But you have no evidence that Satan saw the other things. In fact, Satan only ever even reacts AFTER the 'fighting' stops, and Kid Buu puts the chokehold on.

He was commenting on the fight, and he knew that Fat Buu was getting beaten up. Even during the chokeholed, Kid Buu was throwing Fat Buu around and such.

Besides, you can't just assume that every move they make is invisible as a default and then ask for specific evidence that he percieved specific parts of the battle. That's an unrealistic expectation.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He was commenting on the fight, and he knew that Fat Buu was getting beaten up. Even during the chokeholed, Kid Buu was throwing Fat Buu around and such.

Besides, you can't just assume that every move they make is invisible as a default and then ask for specific evidence that he percieved specific parts of the battle. That's an unrealistic expectation.

You can't assume every move they make is visible except for the ones that are specifically labelled otherwise. Especially when Kullilin and Goku were capable of moving at 'invisi'speed when they were, what, twelve or so?

Originally posted by Soljer
And left them as a pile of bloody goop.

No, all he would have had to do is just fly in at super speed, hit them with some punches, and fly out. Humans have been hit that fast before in DBZ and only been minorly injured.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2965/vegetapunchessomeguyfp7.jpg