Originally posted by chickenlover98
ok mike. obviously sometimes humans can see the fights, did you eveer think the show and manga slow them down so the viwer/reader can see them. regardless of what people in the show say they are moving to fast to be seen by the normal human eye. many times in the frieza saga piccolo and krillin and gohan allstate that they can barely follow the fight. now at the end of the show they are much faster and stronger.oh and by the way the thing with the weights is rediculas. in the frieza saga he lifts a mountain in normal form, that example is void.
That example isn't void. It's the best numerical example of how strong Akira wanted Goku to be.
I agree about the speed though - the fact that SO MANY TIMES there have been people that are FAR more powerful and FAR faster than a normal human stating that they couldn't even follow the fight means more to me than the couple times that a few humans caught a glimpse or two.
Originally posted by Phenomenol😐 Now I know you're trolling. Also, I heard this but I'm not positive, I heard that in DB, while training with Roshi as a kid, Roshi had him move 50 tons(I think it was boulders or sumthin). Someone please confirm this.
Superman can't punch hard nor does Superman lift alot!!!
Just so you know, the scene in the Frieza saga when Frieza used telekinesis to throw a boulder on him (not a mountain, a large boulder), and he pushed it back for a while was filler.
Anyway, it's obvious that humans can see them fight, it's consistently shown in the manga. They can move so fast as to disappear from human vision for short bursts lasting for a few seconds, and maybe even up to a minute or two, but they can't move that fast for the entire fight.
I'm still reading the manga & maybe the Dragon Ball Z characters aren't as physically weak as we thought. I mean, physically, Gohan & Goten trained pretty hard before the Budokai tournament. They're still pretty slow though seeing as Gohan (while flying at full speed) still claimed it'd take him to get to his school. It was while he was in his Great Saiyaman costume at the beginning of the Buu saga. At the most, since Mystic Gohan is the strongest, I'd say his maximum could at least be 200 tons since Goku went from 2 tons to 40 by just changing into his Super Saiyan form. By all means, Superman is still much stronger but the Z Fighters seem to be pretty strong as well.
Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
I'm still reading the manga & maybe the Dragon Ball Z characters aren't as physically weak as we thought. I mean, physically, Gohan & Goten trained pretty hard before the Budokai tournament. They're still pretty slow though seeing as Gohan (while flying at full speed) still claimed it'd take him to get to his school. It was while he was in his Great Saiyaman costume at the beginning of the Buu saga. At the most, since Mystic Gohan is the strongest, I'd say his maximum could at least be 200 tons since Goku went from 2 tons to 40 by just changing into his Super Saiyan form. By all means, Superman is still much stronger but the Z Fighters seem to be pretty strong as well.
Two hundred tons IS pathetically weak, when compared to Superman, Thor, or the Hulk, though.
So Goku as a SSJ was able to easily move with 40 ton weights(when they were referring to his weights, did they mean 40 on each arm and leg or just 40 overall?). Well, seeing as he could do 2 tons just as easily at base, his strength multiplied by 20, right? Well, what if when going to SSJ2, it would be multiplied by 20 again? That would be 800 tons. Then, going SSJ3, it would be 16,000 tons. I'm not saying that's automatically how it works, it's just a thot. Oh, and Goku is stronger than Hulk's "calm" state(who is class 90 I think?) thio if Hulk got mad he would be stronger than Goku fo sho.
Originally posted by Violent2DopeOverall from the looks of it. since it was "How much weight is he holding?" "2 tons."
So Goku as a SSJ was able to easily move with 40 ton weights(when they were referring to his weights, did they mean 40 on each arm and leg or just 40 overall?).
and not "2 tons each weight."
Originally posted by Violent2DopeAnd it could be a drop off.
Well, seeing as he could do 2 tons just as easily at base, his strength multiplied by 20, right? Well, what if when going to SSJ2, it would be multiplied by 20 again? That would be 800 tons. Then, going SSJ3, it would be 16,000 tons. I'm not saying that's automatically how it works, it's just a thot. Oh, and Goku is stronger than Hulk's "calm" state(who is class 90 I think?) thio if Hulk got mad he would be stronger than Goku fo sho.
base - x20 -> SSJ - x10 -> ssj2 - x5 -> ssj3
Or even just additive.
base - +38t -> SSJ - +38t -> SSJ2 - +38t -> SSJ3
Or that could have a drop off
base - +38t -> SSJ - +16t -> SSJ2 - +8t -> SSJ3
Hell for all we know it could be like
base - x20 -> SSJ - x40 -> ssj2 - x80 -> ssj3
or
base - x20 -> SSJ - x400(20*20) -> ssj2 - x160000(400*400) -> ssj3
So he might be 62 tons at ssj3 or he might be 2,560,000,000 tons
We don't know which is why extrapolation is guessing at best and is merely speculation.
Exactly. You can speculate all day, but with no actual hard evidence about it, it's meaningless.
Not to mention the fact that Strength is NOT directly proportional to power level. Doubling your power level does NOT double your strength.
Case in point - in one of the first (THE first, I think...) volumes of Dragonball, Son Goku lifts a car. He's obviously MUCH more powerful by Dragonball Z, and many many multiples that by the buu saga - yet by this time, he can lift a mere two tons in base form, and even calls ten tons impossible.
Food for thought.