Originally posted by Phenomenol
In all respects your statement is merely opinion the author decides what ties into canon.Care to show me where Toriyama said that the Anime is out of continuity? Show me where Toriyama said the anime is in a different dimension?
Otherwise ALL of you have nothing but an opinion.
Anime is IN CONTINUITY and that is fact.
No, my statement is not merely opinion. It is fact. While both the anime and the manga are canon, they are in their own separate worlds, as things happen in the anime that do not happen in the manga, and vice versa.
If you are going to use the reasoning that the creators of the manga never said anything about the anime canonicity to prove that they're both canon with each other, then I will tell you that that reasoning is a farce. People try that with Star Wars' Expanded Universe all the time and they are completely and utterly wrong.
We hold that as the officially stand point in the Comic Vs., and I will apply it here.
Sorry, but that's how this works. Continue to debate that and there will be more warnings handed out, as this is not the topic of the thread.
Please return to the topic.
No, the anime is not canon, and Phenomenol is abusing the burden of proof. By asking us to prove a negative (prove that's it's not canon) when the burden of proof is on him to prove the positive (prove that it is canon). I might as well ask him to find a statement from Toriyama specifically saying that all of the DBZ fanfics on fanfiction.net aren't canon, or else that means they are.
Originally posted by The Great GalenThe anime is canon to the anime, not the manga.
Okay ill return to the topic, Supes wins and thats that. Although on one last note, the anime is cannon and thats the end of that.
No amount of wishing or stateing otherwise will change this fact. Learn to accept it and move on.
Originally posted by Creshosk
The anime is canon to the anime, not the manga.
The manga is canon to the manga, not the anime.No amount of wishing or stateing otherwise will change this fact. Learn to accept it and move on.
Exactly. Is it that DBZ fans are too stubborn or too ignorant to get this fact?
Every other fan of other genres or shows gets it. But not DBZ fans? There has to be a reason...
Any DBZ fighter wins. Supes might fly fast but it doesnt help his reflexes. He gets tagged by the likes of Batman, Solomon GRUNDY and many more slow characters. The most damage Supes has done in a fight is break a couple of windows in down town Metropolis or destroy the ocassional car. Goku almost destroyed the earth transforming into SS3, Goku's fighting speed is way above Superman. Superman will be swinging and Goku will stand still and Supes still wont hit him. 1 generic ki beam kills Superman. Hell need to sleep in the sun for 5million years to be equall with ss1 Goku(freiza saga)
Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Any DBZ fighter wins. Supes might fly fast but it doesnt help his reflexes. He gets tagged by the likes of Batman, Solomon GRUNDY and many more slow characters. The most damage Supes has done in a fight is break a couple of windows in down town Metropolis or destroy the ocassional car. Goku almost destroyed the earth transforming into SS3, Goku's fighting speed is way above Superman. Superman will be swinging and Goku will stand still and Supes still wont hit him. 1 generic ki beam kills Superman. Hell need to sleep in the sun for 5million years to be equall with ss1 Goku(freiza saga)
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Oh look another dbz fan who knows next to nothing about Superman and by the looks of his post is yet to read a Superman comic made in the past 10 years. Hey lets use some of Supermans low end feats and compare them to Goku's strongest and completley ignore every thing Superman has done... fuk it sarutobi you are a retard, fact.
Originally posted by Magee
Oh look another dbz fan who knows next to nothing about Superman and by the looks of his post is yet to read a Superman comic made in the past 10 years. Hey lets use some of Supermans low end feats and compare them to Goku's strongest and completley ignore every thing Superman has done... fuk it sarutobi you are a retard, fact.
No Maggay your the retard. Ive read the recent Superman comics and he's not even on par with Goku at the beginning of the Saiyan Saga. Supes fights slow, causes next to none damage when he fights, he gets tagged by slow characters. Goku would never be touched by Solomon Grundy, even the air friction Grundy makes when he punches wouldnt touch Goku. Choatzu has this in the bag
Causes next to no damage when he fights?
He's a hero! He's concerned about property damage and innocent lives!
When he feels like it, he can cleave a moon in HALF! He can move far faster than the speed of light, he can fight and react at speeds greatly exceeding C, and can vibrate intangible - letting nothing even touch him.
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You're being incredibly ignorant of both Superman and DBZ here. Believe me - it should be evident via some of my posts that I'm well read in DBZ - and I do mean read.
Goku never stood in one place and let ginyu swing through him. That was pointless filler.
Goku didn't almost destroy the earth going super saiya-jin 3. Oh, and Radditz didn't move at the speed of light.
Kid Buu didn't destroy galaxies. He destroyed a single planet.
Something that pretty much any of Superman's enemies could do if they really wanted to. Something Superman himself could do on pure strength, or likely even heat vision....
Heat vision that can reach temperatures exceeding that of the CORE OF THE SUN.
Oh, and, finally, Superman can survive in space. Goku cannot.
Goku can unleash his earth destroying blast, and then let himself die while Superman just chills.
Kal-El then hits a few thousand times lightspeed and trucks on to somewhere else to find an opponent worthy of fighting.
Well Superman wins regardless, especially if we went by his PC iteration. Although I dont think Goku is a slouch either, I would say at best he would present some amusment for supes. Judging by goku's feats and all Id say that a full power Goku is anywhere from 200-400 tons as far as strength is considered. He is probably at the speed of light as far as speed goes, perhaps being either a little bit slower or a little bit faster. His durability isnt to shabby either, he can be pierced by sharp objects but he seems to withstand concussive drama pretty well...sort of like Diana. He has awesome energy wielding abilites, destroying planets and such, although I think the only area he has Supes beat is in fighting skill. In spite of this supes would still take heavy majority.
Originally posted by Soljer
Causes next to no damage when he fights?He's a hero! He's concerned about property damage and innocent lives!
When he feels like it, he can cleave a moon in HALF! He can move far faster than the speed of light, he can fight and react at speeds greatly exceeding C, and can vibrate intangible - letting nothing even touch him.
:-\.
You're being incredibly ignorant of both Superman and DBZ here. Believe me - it should be evident via some of my posts that I'm well read in DBZ - and I do mean read.
Goku never stood in one place and let ginyu swing through him. That was pointless filler.
Goku didn't almost destroy the earth going super saiya-jin 3. Oh, and Radditz didn't move at the speed of light.
Kid Buu didn't destroy galaxies. He destroyed a single planet.
Something that pretty much any of Superman's enemies could do if they really wanted to. Something Superman himself could do on pure strength, or likely even heat vision....
Heat vision that can reach temperatures exceeding that of the CORE OF THE SUN.
Oh, and, finally, Superman can survive in space. Goku cannot.
Goku can unleash his earth destroying blast, and then let himself die while Superman just chills.
Kal-El then hits a few thousand times lightspeed and trucks on to somewhere else to find an opponent worthy of fighting.
Then why does he get defeated by Solomon GRUNDY.
Goku never unleashes his full power on earth, when he was transforming into a SS3 he had to cut short, in the fight against Cell he still didnt go all out because he didt want to destroy the earth. Goku walks up to Supes, Supes swings and misses, Goku then punches him and crushes Supes skull then kills him with a Generic ki blast
Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Then why does he get defeated by Solomon GRUNDY.
Goku never unleashes his full power on earth, when he was transforming into a SS3 he had to cut short, in the fight against Cell he still didnt go all out because he didt want to destroy the earth. Goku walks up to Supes, Supes swings and misses, Goku then punches him and crushes Supes skull then kills him with a Generic ki blast
when was the last time superman fought grundy?
He's being fecetious with the year date. Sarutobi, either present the right facts or don't even try to debate with people here.
I don't know much about comics, but Wikipedia said that the issue in which Grundy fought Superman featured The Parasite as well. Something about Earth-One? I think it was Pre-Crisis, too.
Whatever all of that means. I need to read comics more...