Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Basically, all your arguments boil down to is "I think Goku should be this powerful, and here is some math I made up to prove it (filled with arbitrary assumptions)". When the actual evidence in the manga contradicts you.

As for our side, we actually have feats of Superman doing things to prove how powerful he is, instead of just speculation about how powerful we think he is.

Where does it contradict?!?!? show me you keep saying it doesnt match up yet you wont point it out!!!!!

Originally posted by Gplex
Yes to move out of a person view.. But you forget they are in a ring. Goku move back and forward over and over again like a flickering light to making himself invisable. You could call it vibrating... 60x faster is 60x faster how else can you put it... bet your going to call maths the devils work just like the other supes fans.

Originally posted by Gplex
You cant just ignor the correlation between powerlevel and speed/power just because you want absolute solid proof.

Originally posted by Gplex
You supes fan like to use talking and normal things to show that the fight was slow.
People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.

Originally posted by Gplex
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking. (someone said cell had enough time to say something before goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)
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Originally posted by Gplex
Show me proof...

Here's Superman vibrating through attacks

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Superman in a blackhole:
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Originally posted by Gplex
Look at the one up there ^

You claim it shorter on pure speclation... Mine makes more sense over your wishful thinking.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah, 60 hz...

Big deal, Wolverine can move faster than the eye can see. It's not light speed.

THAT WAS WHEN HE WAS A CHILD!!! How can you be such a fan boy....

Originally posted by Gplex
Yes to move out of a person view.. But you forget they are in a ring. Goku move back and forward over and over again like a flickering light to making himself invisable. You could call it vibrating... 60x faster is 60x faster how else can you put it... bet your going to call maths the devils work just like the other supes fans.

The distance between each of his positions was only about 2 meters (remember, Goku at that point was much shorter than most adults).

To move between those positions once every 1/60th of a second would require a speed of only 120 meters per second, which is not even half of the speed of sound.

You cant just ignor the correlation between powerlevel and speed/power just because you want absolute solid proof.

Obviously there is a correlation. But is is not a linear or logical correlation that can be used for extrapolation. Refer to my previous examples of the farmer, Frieza, Vegeta, etc.

You supes fan like to use talking and normal things to show that the fight was slow.
People weaker and slower then Goku have showen to be able to do normal things at super speed.
That throws out the claim that they can't be fast while talking.

Except for a little thing called the speed of sound. Their words only travel that fast.

Not to mention that in the Goten and Trunks example normal people could tell lots of time was passing back at the tournament before they arrived.

(someone said cell had enough time to say something before goku release his warp kamehameha wave on him)

Which he did.

*snip*

And your point is? They can only move that fast for short bursts. They didn't say anything to each other during that exchange, either.

Show me proof...

It hit the moon in under a second.

Look at the one up there ^

Already debunked. Baba was also talking with them during that time, and she's not as fast as them (although the whole idea of sound travelling faster than sound is so idiotic I don't even know why I need to point this out).

You claim it shorter on pure speclation... Mine makes more sense over your wishful thinking.

So a direct statement from the manga is "wishful thinking" but arbitrarily saying Goku got so much stronger with no evidence is not. 🙄

Troll

Originally posted by Gplex
Where does it contradict?!?!? show me you keep saying it doesnt match up yet you wont point it out!!!!!

How can he move in a black hole if he doubts he could pick up the weight of a school bus?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you miss the scan with Goku and the 40 ton weights?

How can he move in a black hole if he doubts he could pick up the weight of a school bus?

School bus non cannon...

Originally posted by Gplex
THAT WAS WHEN HE WAS A CHILD!!! How can you be such a fan boy....

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

Of course now you're trolling and will be reported.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what you should be asking yourself...

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Of course now you're trolling and will be reported.

Big deal we see roshi doing stuff like that...

Originally posted by Gplex
School bus non cannon...

You have no clue what I meant do you?

Goku says that 10 tons is impossible.

A school bus weighs more:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_school_bus_weigh

Originally posted by Gplex
Big deal we see roshi doing stuff like that...

Superman has been faster than a speeding bullet and more powerful than a locomotive

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:6OA7c6ksDpQJ:www.oli.org/education_resources/lesson9_train_vs_car.htm+%22average+freight+train%22+weighs&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

since he was a boy... So since he was a boy he was more stronger than Goku.

40 tons... 🙄

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The distance between each of his positions was only about 2 meters (remember, Goku at that point was much shorter than most adults).

To move between those positions once every 1/60th of a second would require a speed of only 120 meters per second, which is not even half of the speed of sound.

Obviously there is a correlation. But is is not a linear or logical correlation that can be used for extrapolation. Refer to my previous examples of the farmer, Frieza, Vegeta, etc.

Except for a little thing called the speed of sound. Their words only travel that fast.

Not to mention that in the Goten and Trunks example normal people could tell lots of time was passing back at the tournament before they arrived.

Which he did.

And your point is? They can only move that fast for short bursts. They didn't say anything to each other during that exchange, either.

It hit the moon in under a second.

Already debunked. Baba was also talking with them during that time, and she's not as fast as them (although the whole idea of sound travelling faster than sound is so idiotic I don't even know why I need to point this out).

So a direct statement from the manga is "wishful thinking" but arbitrarily saying Goku got so much stronger with no evidence is not. 🙄

Troll

Oh... man i dont believe how slow you are......

Originally posted by Gplex
Vegeta did... He need bibity magic to increase his power to match up with goku. Plus him holding up 40tons is about 500x earth gravity. 🙄

Vegeta trained in 450 times earth gravity. Stop lying.

Go look up on google before acting like a noob

Ah, yes, google, the one true source of factual scientific information.

Listen kid, I've been studying astrophysics for years. A black hole can have any mass.

holding up 40tons is about 500x earth gravity

Another lie. Assuming an average adult male weights 180 lbs, 500 times that would be 90,000 lbs, or 45 tons. Goku couldn't even lift 45 tons in base form. He stated he couldn't even lift 10.

Yea sure not holding back.. Vegeta would powerup if he wasnt holding back... you do know they power down right?

Everyone else was holding back to hide their power. Vegeta didn't, and said so.

Also, you dodged my question. Where do you get the idea that their physical strength increases 50 times with each SSJ transformation?

first state is 50x it is logical to think that the next 2 would be the same.

According to power levels, which are not a linear measure of physical strength. Goku lifted a car in the very first chapter of DB, which is about 2 tons. He couldn't lift 10 tons in base form. He has no physical strength feats even remotely suggesting anything near what you are extrapolating. Furthermore, you can't just make assumptions like that. For all you know it could be a decrease, SSJ2 equals 20x powerup, SSJ3 equals 10, for example.

You can cry and yell all you want its not going to change the maths.

Your "maths" are based on faulty assumptions contradicted by canon facts.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And here I thought that you were trying to use bullets to be impressive... 🙄

Superman has been faster than a speeding bullet and more powerful than a locomotive since he was a boy... So since he was a boy he was more stronger than Goku.

40 tons... 🙄

I heard stroies of how fan boy supes completely ignor facts (like in this case his is just a boy) And the fact that I showed that the 40 tons muitiply out to huge numbers in the ssj forms..

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Ok if you don´t get that Goku training 10 years after ask for Buu to come back reincarnate.

you are not being objective, you just want to win.

Look in the mirror.

If you read the manga Goku call Ubb´s mother a poppy pants or something and then kick him and the kick go berseck, showing his power in the last moment and Goku normal form fighting with him.

The very end when Goku ask Ubb to be trained, and Ubb say yes, Goku say i being waiting for this all this time, and know whe get even stronger, that means no roof for Goku getting stronger.

Unless you can demonstrate he's stronger with feats, and quantify how much, that means nothing.

I can use all canon trainings of Goku getting more powerfull without numbers. 10 years of training is a lot of time for him to grow, read the whole manga.

Yet there is nothing to suggest this in the manga. You can't simply assume things.

last Quote from me today:

Goku power up 20 kai o ken, and Freeza was 50 %
So how much porcent is his normal?

Then Goku turns SSJ1 and match or surpass Freeza,

How many times his normal form increase.

Then Trunks beat easy Freeza, and Goku show being same or more powerfull than Trunks

Is he know more powerfull in his normal or his power up is higher?

Then comes 3 years of training and Then the Room of spirit and time.

Do you think is still the same power ups time like in Freeza Saga?

Goku looks like SSJ but is normal.

Is this prove that he can power up many times higher than previous or he Just bleach his hair?

Ok, if you are objective, you can answer here that why it could be posible that each Saiyan transformation is 50 in Freeza saga or higher in post saga

(Until End of Cell Saga is all SSJ 1)

See? no numbers here

Originally posted by Gplex
Oh... man i dont believe how slow you are......

Oh wait... that was just bashing someone with out any valid argumetns what so ever... Reported

Originally posted by Gplex
Where does it contradict?!?!? show me you keep saying it doesnt match up yet you wont point it out!!!!!

DBZ characters taking minutes/hours to fly someone else on the planet.

Normal humans seeing their fights and ki blasts.

Goku not being able to lift 10 tons in base form.

DBZ characters having no strength feats that put them anywhere near what you are suggesting.

I have to sleep.. be back tommrow.... "Ah, yes, google, the one true source of factual scientific information.

Listen kid, I've been studying astrophysics for years. A black hole can have any mass." so now you are agreeing with me about black holes can have mass.....

Originally posted by Gplex
THAT WAS WHEN HE WAS A CHILD!!! How can you be such a fan boy....

You are the fanboy. Quantify exactly how much stronger he's gotten (without making up numbers or using power levels) and then come back to me.

Originally posted by Gplex
I heard stroies of how fan boy supes completely ignor facts (like in this case his is just a boy)

Originally posted by Gplex
And the fact that I showed that the 40 tons muitiply out to huge numbers in the ssj forms..