Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes he did. Read the scans I posted.The point is that there are circumstances where it doesn't work the way you would think. Combined with the horrible power level inconsistencies (the farmer, Frieza destroying planets vegeta and namek, Vegeta hitting the punching machine, DBZ characters never having any strength or speed feats to remotely suggest what you are saying) it's obvious you're wrong.
You mean besides buu almost destroying earth with his 1 finger?
Originally posted by GplexBurrden of proof is on your shoulders to prove your claims. its not up to me to do your legwork for you. Provide scans of the numbers you claim.
The only time I gess on a number was with cell (because there is no numbers to calculate by... you having being saying bs like that way before then... you have not showen me wrong on any number...
Originally posted by Gplex
The only time I gess on a number was with cell (because there is no numbers to calculate by... you having being saying bs like that way before then... you have not showen me wrong on any number...
You multiplied his speed by 60 times twice because he moved faster than the eye could see, instead of using 1/60th of a second and the distance, or factoring in the environment and other optical effects.
You assumed that each SSJ state increases their power by 50 times with no evidence.
You assumed that Goku after the Buu got 3.3 times stronger each year with no evidence.
etc.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes. Read the scans.That's irrelevant anyway since the point is that power levels are a measurement of ki, not speed or strength.
Then how do you explain the kaioken.... Where goku could keep up with frezia who is clearly far faster then Vegeta who had already went into the millions...
Originally posted by Gplex
You mean besides buu almost destroying earth with his 1 finger?
One finger? Now you're making things up again. Buu destroyed the earth with a huge ki ball that he made with his hand (although honestly I fail to see why it matters which body part they use. For example in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure their power is actually stronger if they use a finger than a whole hand).
Originally posted by Endless Mike
You multiplied his speed by 60 times twice because he moved faster than the eye could see, instead of using 1/60th of a second and the distance, or factoring in the environment and other optical effects.You assumed that each SSJ state increases their power by 50 times with no evidence.
You assumed that Goku after the Buu got 3.3 times stronger each year with no evidence.
etc.
Again 60x is what the human eye cant follow (from light bulbs) 50x is the first one it is logical to assume ssj2 and 3 are the same (you are being inlogical and basicly saying we should ignor ssj2 and 3) and 3.3 is the min he would have go get to get stronger then his ssj3 self when fighting buu... where we have seen him get 36x stronger in a week... so to say he cant get 3.3 x stronger a year is complely riduculus.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Kaio-ken increases his speed and strength. There is no quantification of how much.
Oh so it just happen to me that his power increase to the same as vegeta and it just happen he could now keep up with vegeta.... wow yea lets just ignor that and accept your speculation.
Originally posted by Gplex
Again 60x is what the human eye cant follow (from light bulbs)
Human vision registers things 60 times per second. That doesn't mean you multiply his speed by 60, it means you take the distance he moved and divide it by 1/60th of a second to get his speed. That's not even accurate since human optics can make things appear to disappear at much lower speeds.
50x is the first one it is logical to assume ssj2 and 3 are the same (you are being inlogical and basicly saying we should ignor ssj2 and 3)
No, you are the illogical one. You have evidence for the first one, so you just assume the second and third one are the same (despite the fact that the 50 times figure comes only from Goku's powerup on Namek and doesn't take into account the fact that different SSJ1 characters were more powerful or less powerful, etc.)
and 3.3 is the min he would have go get to get stronger then his ssj3 self when fighting buu... where we have seen him get 36x stronger in a week... so to say he cant get 3.3 x stronger a year is complely riduculus.
So in other words, it's a number you just pulled out of your ass.
Originally posted by Gplex
Oh so it just happen to me that his power increase to the same as vegeta and it just happen he could now keep up with vegeta.... wow yea lets just ignor that and accept your speculation.
Vegeta was stronger and faster than him. He used Kaio-ken and became strong and fast enough to keep up with him.
How does this prove that ki increases speed and strength linearly?
Originally posted by GplexAgain you're math is wrong. Aren't you even reading what's being said to you? That's not how you figure that out.
Again 60x is what the human eye cant follow (from light bulbs)
Originally posted by GplexNo, that's called a sweeping generilization.
50x is the first one it is logical to assume ssj2 and 3 are the same (you are being inlogical and basicly saying we should ignor ssj2 and 3)
If I ask 10 people and they say that DBZ sucks, then I can assume that everyone else in the world thinks that DBZ sucks. Or are you saying we should ignore everyone else in the world?
See why it doesn't work? It's illogical to extrapolate on as little information that you have.. its still just guessing.
Originally posted by GplexYou still haven't proven this number to be accurate Prove it. Provide the scan that states 3.3
and 3.3 is the min he would have go get to get stronger then his ssj3 self when fighting buu...
Originally posted by GplexProve it.. provide the scan that says 36x in it.
where we have seen him get 36x stronger in a week...
Originally posted by GplexNo its not. to say that the number is accurate without evidence is ridiculous.
so to say he cant get 3.3 x stronger a year is complely riduculus.
Originally posted by GplexActually his isn't speculation.. yours is... Do you even know what that word means?
Oh so it just happen to me that his power increase to the same as vegeta and it just happen he could now keep up with vegeta.... wow yea lets just ignor that and accept your speculation.
It means guessing... because that's what you're doing .. you're guessing at the numbers which as was shown contradicts the manga.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Human vision registers things 60 times per second. That doesn't mean you multiply his speed by 60, it means you take the distance he moved and divide it by 1/60th of a second to get his speed. That's not even accurate since human optics can make things appear to disappear at much lower speeds.No, you are the illogical one. You have evidence for the first one, so you just assume the second and third one are the same (despite the fact that the 50 times figure comes only from Goku's powerup on Namek and doesn't take into account the fact that different SSJ1 characters were more powerful or less powerful, etc.)
So in other words, it's a number you just pulled out of your ass.
1st if you put the light buld to 50hz you can see the flashing but once you switch it to 60hz you cant.. Goku was moving side to side right infront of krilling and tein and he was completly invisable.
2nd What evidence do I have not to assume it is not 50x? Vegeta said ssj3 is more powerful then he was expecting... does that mean its 100x not I keep it fluid because its not real life some one wrote it and typical people do things fluidly.
3rd No I calculated that 3.3 was the absolute min goku would have to muitiply his strenght over 10 years to become stronger then his ssj3 self. 3.3 is extremly small for goku.
Like I said, we can apply their bullshit reasoning to Superman as well.
Let's try another one: In a recent flashback issue from when he first met Jimmy Olsen, he was able to stand in a black hole gravity device. Since that had to have been right after the Crisis (1986), and since we can just take that number he used for a black hole's mass, multiply it by 10 to the power of 21 (years), and voila.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually his isn't speculation.. yours is... Do you even know what that word means?It means guessing... because that's what you're doing .. you're guessing at the numbers which as was shown contradicts the manga.
No your saying we should just ignor it... its like saying we should ignor the fact that earth goes around the sun, but we can see the sun going around the earth so lets just ignor that little fact...
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Like I said, we can apply their bullshit reasoning to Superman as well.Let's try another one: In a recent flashback issue from when he first met Jimmy Olsen, he was able to stand in a black hole gravity device. Since that had to have been right after the Crisis (1986), and since we can just take that number he used for a black hole's mass, multiply it by 10 to the power of 21 (years), and voila.
Show me the maths please... I dont see anything logical in that?
Originally posted by Gplex
1st if you put the light buld to 50hz you can see the flashing but once you switch it to 60hz you cant.. Goku was moving side to side right infront of krilling and tein and he was completly invisable.
Which I already calculated as being 120 m/s.
2nd What evidence do I have not to assume it is not 50x?]
Don't try to shift the burden of proof.
Vegeta said ssj3 is more powerful then he was expecting... does that mean its 100x not I keep it fluid because its not real life some one wrote it and typical people do things fluidly.
You're making up numbers.
3rd No I calculated that 3.3 was the absolute min goku would have to muitiply his strenght over 10 years to become stronger then his ssj3 self. 3.3 is extremly small for goku.
He's not stronger than his SSJ3 self in base form. Uub was a kid who didn't know anything about fighting or using his powers, they weren't fighting seriously, it only lasted a few seconds. Uub <<<<<< Kid Buu
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's just as logical as yours.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Which I already calculated as being 120 m/s.]
Don't try to shift the burden of proof.
You're making up numbers.
He's not stronger than his SSJ3 self in base form. Uub was a kid who didn't know anything about fighting or using his powers, they weren't fighting seriously, it only lasted a few seconds. Uub <<<<<< Kid Buu
1st you didnt calculate it you calculate how fast he would have to be for people nto to see it not someone who can dodge bullets moving faster then sound
2nd You dont have any evidence so why wouldnt they be the same?
3rd But its true he said ssj3 is stronger.. but I keep the flow right through the levels.
4th Goku was only playing with him... did you see Goku sweat? bleed? or even sigh? Goku was far stronger then his old ssj3 self.