To elaborate, Superman is constantly getting stronger due to solar energy. In 1993 Doomsday killed him. In 2001, Doomsday broke his arm trying to punch him. During the meantime, Doomsday became so much more powerful that the only thing capable of destroying him was the end of time. So therefore, 2001 Superman's skin > the end of time.
Obvious bullshit, but very similar to yours.
Originally posted by GplexBut you don't multiply by the frequencyOther wise you might say that since 60hz is 16.6 ms we multiply by 16.6 rather than 60... you'd get a much lower number.
1st if you put the light buld to 50hz you can see the flashing but once you switch it to 60hz you cant.. Goku was moving side to side right infront of krilling and tein and he was completly invisable.
Or since 16.6ms is 0.000276666667 minutes we multiply by 0.000276666667 and wind up with a number that's lower than when you started.
Originally posted by GplexThe fact that its a sweeping generilization, a logical fallacy and thus illogical.
2nd What evidence do I have not to assume it is not 50x?
Do you understand what any of those words mean?
Originally posted by GplexIn riddle of steel it costs 1 point to go from 1 to 2. then it costs 4 to go from 2 to 3. then it costs 7 to go from 3 to four. then it costs 10 to go from 4 to 5. then it costs 13 to go from 5 to 6, then it costs 14 to go from 6 to 7 then it costs 20 to go from 7 to 8
Vegeta said ssj3 is more powerful then he was expecting... does that mean its 100x not I keep it fluid because its not real life some one wrote it and typical people do things fluidly.
1,4,7,10,13,14,20
Someone wrote those rules .. but where's the fluidity?
Originally posted by GplexActually a 1.0*10^123 would be an increase to be stronger than ssj3... because 1 point is one point more than any number.
3rd No I calculated that 3.3 was the absolute min goku would have to muitiply his strenght over 10 years to become stronger then his ssj3 self. 3.3 is extremly small for goku.
So no, 3.3 is a number you guessed at ...
All the numbers you picked have no backing in the manga.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
To elaborate, Superman is constantly getting stronger due to solar energy. In 1993 Doomsday killed him. In 2001, Doomsday broke his arm trying to punch him. During the meantime, Doomsday became so much more powerful that the only thing capable of destroying him was the end of time. So therefore, 2001 Superman's skin > the end of time.Obvious bullshit, but very similar to yours.
That wasnt the same Doomsday... Did you not see superman fighting equally with his older self? Superman almost died again when he face off against doomsday for the second time.. If it wasnt for the motherbox and a time machine (where the transported doomsday to the future where all matter for the universe was comming back together to create a ultra massive black hold where nothing can live) superman would have died again.
Originally posted by Gplex
[B]No its not I show you the numbers and I show where you got them from... yet you wont show my yours you just decide to throw in a 10 or 20 for no reason...
Just like you threw in a 60 or a 3.3 for no reason.... 🙄
1st you didnt calculate it you calculate how fast he would have to be for people nto to see it not someone who can dodge bullets moving faster then sound
You do know it's possible to dodge the aim of the gun before the bullet is fired, right?
2nd You dont have any evidence so why wouldnt they be the same?
Stop shifting the burden of proof. You need evidence to say they are the same.
An analogy: Let's say there are three fruits on a table. One of them is an apple. You would automatically assume that they are all apples, with nothing to back it up.
3rd But its true he said ssj3 is stronger.. but I keep the flow right through the levels.
That assumes the powerups of each level are consistent, which you have yet to prove.
4th Goku was only playing with him... did you see Goku sweat? bleed? or even sigh? Goku was far stronger then his old ssj3 self.
UUB COULDN'T EVEN FLY. HE HAD NEVER USED HIS POWERS BEFORE.
And Goku did get hurt. He said "ouch".
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6571/gokuvsuub1lt6.jpg
If you honestly think Uub was fighting with the same power Kid Buu was, you're delusional.
Originally posted by GplexPeople can't see bullets. 3000 feet per second is a nice speed.
No its not I show you the numbers and I show where you got them from... yet you wont show my yours you just decide to throw in a 10 or 20 for no reason...1st you didnt calculate it you calculate how fast he would have to be for people nto to see it not someone who can dodge bullets moving faster then sound
IT doesn't need to be very fast as Wolverine can do it.
Originally posted by GplexYou're claiming that it IS the same.. burden of proof is on your shoulders to prove that it is..
2nd You dont have any evidence so why wouldnt they be the same?]
You have no evidence that it is. So why assume that it is?
Originally posted by GplexProve that the flow is accurate.
3rd But its true he said ssj3 is stronger.. but I keep the flow right through the levels.
Originally posted by GplexYou're basing him playing with a kid as being stronger? 🤨
4th Goku was only playing with him... did you see Goku sweat? bleed? or even sigh? Goku was far stronger then his old ssj3 self.
Originally posted by Creshosk
But you don't multiply by the frequencyOther wise you might say that since 60hz is 16.6 ms we multiply by 16.6 rather than 60... you'd get a much lower number.Or since 16.6ms is 0.000276666667 minutes we multiply by 0.000276666667 and wind up with a number that's lower than when you started.
The fact that its a sweeping generilization, a logical fallacy and thus illogical.
Do you understand what any of those words mean?
In riddle of steel it costs 1 point to go from 1 to 2. then it costs 4 to go from 2 to 3. then it costs 7 to go from 3 to four. then it costs 10 to go from 4 to 5. then it costs 13 to go from 5 to 6, then it costs 14 to go from 6 to 7 then it costs 20 to go from 7 to 8
1,4,7,10,13,14,20
Someone wrote those rules .. but where's the fluidity?
Actually a 1.0*10^123 would be an increase to be stronger than ssj3... because 1 point is one point more than any number.
So no, 3.3 is a number you guessed at ...
All the numbers you picked have no backing in the manga.
You cant use 16.6 because everything is done per second in physics.
I dont understand two of those words (english isnt my best subject - maths (calculus) and physics was)
Why do you bring in a longer version of a childs math problem here?
3.3 is not guessed... its the miniumn number for goku to get stronger then his ssj3 self!!! can you not understand this?!?!? (3.3^10) > (50x50x50) but (3.2^10) < (50x50x50)
Originally posted by Gplex
That wasnt the same Doomsday... Did you not see superman fighting equally with his older self? Superman almost died again when he face off against doomsday for the second time.. If it wasnt for the motherbox and a time machine (where the transported doomsday to the future where all matter for the universe was comming back together to create a ultra massive black hold where nothing can live) superman would have died again.
And yet that was all before 2001
Originally posted by Gplex
You cant use 16.6 because everything is done per second in physics.I dont understand two of those words (english isnt my best subject - maths (calculus) and physics was)
Why do you bring in a longer version of a childs math problem here?
3.3 is not guessed... its the miniumn number for goku to get stronger then his ssj3 self!!! can you not understand this?!?!? (3.3^10) > (50x50x50) but (3.2^10) < (50x50x50)
Yet the 50 times multiplier for each form is pulled out of your ass, Goku and Uub were hardly fighting seriously (more like Goku and Cell's warmup fight before their battle), Uub didn't know anything about his powers, and power levels/ki are not logical indicators of actual speed and strength.
Originally posted by Creshosk
People can't see bullets. 3000 feet per second is a nice speed.IT doesn't need to be very fast as Wolverine can do it.
You're claiming that it IS the same.. burden of proof is on your shoulders to prove that it is..
You have no evidence that it is. So why assume that it is?
Prove that the flow is accurate.
You're basing him playing with a kid as being stronger? 🤨
At close range people cant see bullets
again why wouldnt I assume so? I showed you how much stronger Gohan was compared to cell even though cell was far stronger then a ssj1 gohan.
What?!?! I basing the fact that Goku can get up to 36x stronger in a week where it would only take 3.3x a year over 10 years to become much stronger.
Originally posted by Gplex
At close range people cant see bullets
They can't see them at long range either unless they're tracers.
again why wouldnt I assume so? I showed you how much stronger Gohan was compared to cell even though cell was far stronger then a ssj1 gohan.
So SSJ1 Gohan < Cell < SSJ2 Gohan. How does that imply that SSJ2 Gohan = SSJ1 Gohan x 50?
What?!?! I basing the fact that Goku can get up to 36x stronger in a week where it would only take 3.3x a year over 10 years to become much stronger.
Which is, again, a number you pulled out of your ass.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yet the 50 times multiplier for each form is pulled out of your ass, Goku and Uub were hardly fighting seriously (more like Goku and Cell's warmup fight before their battle), Uub didn't know anything about his powers, and power levels/ki are not logical indicators of actual speed and strength.
You only base this on the trunks fight.... and cells huge powerup form (copy off trunks)
Originally posted by Gplex
Yes... after the crisis.
So, (using your pseudologic) my point still stands.
I could take any feat Superman has done any time in the last 21 years, compare it to a feat from a few years later, get a power increase rate, and then extrapolate that just like you're doing.
But that wouldn't be right, because it is based on faulty logic.
Originally posted by Gplex
You only base this on the trunks fight.... and cells huge powerup form (copy off trunks)
And the farmer, and Frieza, and Goku's lifting feats in DB compared to DBZ, and the fact that it takes them minutes/hours to reach other places on earth, and the fact that normal humans can see parts of their fights and ki blast, and the fact....
Originally posted by Endless Mike
They can't see them at long range either unless they're tracers.So SSJ1 Gohan < Cell < SSJ2 Gohan. How does that imply that SSJ2 Gohan = SSJ1 Gohan x 50?
Which is, again, a number you pulled out of your ass.
Yea.. but you can see some bullets at range... ssj1 gohan < cell < half of ssj2 gohan.. wasnt till cell health from a near death expreince was he equal with Gohan... Goku has showne he can stand up to people 10x his strenght... With logice you can see ssj2 is around 50x.
Originally posted by Gplex16.6 is milliseconds..
You cant use 16.6 because everything is done per second in physics.
But if you prefer then 16.6 milliseconds = 0.0166 seconds
So the speed multiplier is 0.0166x
Originally posted by GplexWhich you're still not succeeding at...
I dont understand two of those words (english isnt my best subject - maths (calculus) and physics was)
Which two words don't you understand?
Originally posted by GplexBased off of more of your bullshit numbers you're begging the question again.
Why do you bring in a longer version of a childs math problem here?[]/b[]/quote] Do you even understand what I was saying? 🤨[QUOTE=9537027]Originally posted by Gplex
[B]3.3 is not guessed... its the miniumn number for goku to get stronger then his ssj3 self!!! can you not understand this?!?!? (3.3^10) > (50x50x50) but (3.2^10) < (50x50x50)
You haven't proven those numbers to be accurate, so using numbers that haven't been proven as a basis of another number shows concretly that 3.3 isn't a proven number.
Scans please.. prove those numbers are right with canon numbers.
Originally posted by Gplex
Yea.. but you can see some bullets at range...
Examples?
ssj1 gohan < cell < half of ssj2 gohan.. wasnt till cell health from a near death expreince was he equal with Gohan... Goku has showne he can stand up to people 10x his strenght... With logice you can see ssj2 is around 50x.
Non - sequiter
