Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

I try to post scans, the forum don´t allow me to.

You Sups fans give you opinions over Toriyama argument on DB saying powerlevels don´t have logic. so he don´t get more powerfull

you say because Goku Don´t Show a diferent Feat Goku Remain the same.

Is your opinion, but the the history is about Ki energy and that Give the character more power.

When Goku Charge To SSJ 3 he didn´t go all out, an his energy was feel in diferent dimensions.

When Cell and Gohan fought, the Whole planet shake, that is also a feat of amount of energy.

In Toriyama´s mind, Cell could concentrade enough energy to Destroy a solar sistem, and you call him a lier.

Your Argument is that Freeza Saga, Cell Saga and Buu saga has not different.

Onsided and Bias.

Again, because is a lineal History, Goku in normal form End of the Manga is equal with the reincarnation of Kid Buu.

This Goku, for logic is the Goku who has chance To beat Superman.

Precrisis will win tought, i see him pulling planets with a big chain (talk about ridiculous)

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I try to post scans, the forum don´t allow me to.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
You Sups fans give you opinions over Toriyama argument on DB saying powerlevels don´t have logic. so he don´t get more powerfull

Originally posted by Vvendeta
you say because Goku Don´t Show a diferent Feat Goku Remain the same.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Is your opinion, but the the history is about Ki energy and that Give the character more power.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
When Goku Charge To SSJ 3 he didn´t go all out, an his energy was feel in diferent dimensions.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
When Cell and Gohan fought, the Whole planet shake, that is also a feat of amount of energy.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
In Toriyama´s mind, Cell could concentrade enough energy to Destroy a solar sistem, and you call him a lier.

So unless he proves that he has that level of energy you can't say that he has that level of energy.

"Once I'm in my perfect form I'll be unbeatable." Says tyhe guy who was beaten soundly...

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Your Argument is that Freeza Saga, Cell Saga and Buu saga has not different.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Onsided and Bias.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Again, because is a lineal History, Goku in normal form End of the Manga is equal with the reincarnation of Kid Buu.[]/b]/quote] who didn't know how to use his powers or fly... I guess goku let himself go in those ten years, so that he's equal to a child that doesn't use his power... 🙄

I thought you were arguing for Goku...

[QUOTE=9538261]Originally posted by Vvendeta
[B]This Goku, for logic is the Goku who has chance To beat Superman.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Precrisis will win tought, i see him pulling planets with a big chain (talk about ridiculous)

Post crisis superman also has better feats then Goku.

Take a class in basic symbolic and predicate logic.

That alone would show you why you're a moron. 😐.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Upload to another site and post the link.

We're not saying he doesn't get more powerful. We're saying that the power levels are inconsistant and don't translate to being speed and power. Only the amount of ki energy. Since Superman doesn't work with ki he'd scan as having a very low power level... even though he's stronger and faster than Goku.

Well, you haven't proven how much he increases. So saying anything about his increase is speculation, as in guessing.

But how much more power? Without scans you have no proof of how much more.

Which means what exactly? Taht those capable of sensing ki could sense his ki... and?

Scans?

ooor.... In Toriyama's mind he was having Cell say that to try and intimidate the other fighters... He does seem to like to have arrogant characters.

So unless he proves that he has that level of energy you can't say that he has that level of energy.

"Once I'm in my perfect form I'll be unbeatable." Says tyhe guy who was beaten soundly...

No, the argument is you haven't shown the difference in power... polotwise its basically the same.. but that's not what's being refered to.

Yes, damn us for using logic and resoning.. Damn our reliance on evidence to support our claims. Damn us all for being so damned rational. We're so biased towards using logic that we don't allow your illogical fanboyism to spread.

Not without feats that put him on par with superman... With have scans backing our claims.. you guys have copy and past arguments from another site that have been debunked.

And sneezing and destroying solar systems...

Post crisis superman also has better feats then Goku.

1. How consistence is Superman fighting speed? he has being hit by groundy and Batman. Superman punching is not that Impresive.
Flying is mostly what he does fast.
The inconsistancy of Power levels is due at they grow all the time. therefore is unmeasurable.

2. Is smart from your part asking how much improve when you Know the last power level is Freeza´s first form. but yeah Goku going out from the Room of Spirit and Time with a Supersaiyan form but in control like his normal explain that is not guess saying he increase, is just you denying the obvious.

3. Ok, another example of large amount of energy, Buu doing the technique Human extermination, kill all the humans and his energy was intact, now what you going to say? prove it? read the manga.

4. you Seens to be very sure of Toriyama´s way to think, anyway answer me:

If Goku disintegrate metal when he is Child. due the argument of ki energy grow: Is logical to think that his blast is very powerfull and his power grow in disintegrating more durable being?

prove of this is Gohan disintegrating Cell when not Goku or Vegeta SSJ1 could.

Superman sneeze a tiny solar sistem of 5 planets thans to Mr Lpzikxitkit or whatever.

How consistence is Superman fighting speed? he has being hit by groundy and Batman. Superman punching is not that Impresive.
Flying is mostly what he does fast.
The inconsistancy of Power levels is due at they grow all the time. therefore is unmeasurable.

Superman doesn't dodge all the time because he doesn't need to. Batman or Grundy aren't a massive threat to him. Otherwise all his major villains have a superspeed at varying levels. Also when have Superman and Grundy last fought?

Superman has consistently used Superspeed in 99% of Superman and Action comics issues in the last two years. I should know I own all of them.

Okay here's what you haven't been grasping, everyone agrees the higher your power level the more powerful you are. We're saying it isn't a linear increase. As has been said countless times. Master Roshi has a power level of 139, he can blow up the moon. A human has a power level of 5, they couldn't blow up 1/7th of the moon.

It likely goes up on a logarithmic scale. This makes sense as the gains in power are much greater in the lower numbers than in the higher ones.

News for your logic.

power levels read basic strengh.

Roshi can charge a kamehame ha.

Normal humans stay in 5.

Recall Goku was 415? and his kamehame ha 1100?

And Piccolo was 405? and his light dead beam was 1350?

your logic is out.

One question:
If Goku and Piccolo were invisible and not being sense in DB last fight.

With what speed Raditz came?
and then
does his speed increase in 10 g?
Does Kaioken increase espeed and strenght?
once he is use to 10 and come back to normal gravity.
will Goku feel lighter?
and what then 100 g?

DC and Toriyama show speed in diference ways.

But speed and strenght increase all the time

Anyone else notice how his arguments are almost exactly like Phen's were?

"It was a tiny solar system!" because we have no concept of perspective. 🙄

And still there is no evidence given of Goku being on par with Superman, and evidence he wouldn't stand a chance(40 tons)

I don't think your understanding. I know their power increased over the course of the show. Why do you keep telling us? What I'm saying is someone of a power level of 100 is not 100 times more stronger or faster than someone of power level 1.

If it did work like that they'd have to reach the trillions in power levels before they could have blasting feats comparable to the later episodes of Dragonball.

A human can do say about 350 joules of work per second. (about half 1 horsepower). A 1 megaton nuclear bomb has 4.184×10^15 J of energy. That's 1.19×10^14 times more than a human can put out or a power level of 5 x 1.19×10^14. That's 598 trillion. Yet a power increase of what you will have to admit is at most 20 times, produces much more than that.

Okay, that's it if you don't understand me now you never will. Before you start bringing up examples of characters getting stronger remember my first post. I know their power increased over the course of the show.

All I ask is that you all who root for Goku post scans that are greater than fights Superman has had.

Ok.

i agree with you in the way the power levels are Show in the manga, my point is that End of the manga Goku is a match for Superman, then the other guy say Goku is just fighting a kid, that is the way he debate, for opinions like this i have to repeat and give examples of power level increase. and that kid is the reincarnation of Buu.

Then the guy Endless Mike say that he can do the same with Superman, when is not true due diferent writers and diferent versions of planet Earth and sups. vs Same author (Toriyama), one history.

Is obvious that is not 1-100 diference in power level, they are few readings of powerlevel in the manga, but charging a blast is higher that the power level of strenght. Meaning for example if Goku was 400 and his attack 1100[canon), then for logic when he is Supersaiyan the Blast has more power than his strenght.

This is my point, Goku is not as weak as you put him down, not the end of the Manga Goku, And i am not talking about Solar sistems or galaxies etc. Goku level the fight with his blast and his power to desintegrate.

I agree Goku will lose with Precrisiss Sups and non canon Sups.
Canon Sups and Goku end of manga are even to me.

I made my point.

I can not post scans here.

But feats in Dragon Ball are feats of huge amount of Energy.

Like Buu killing all humans.

Gohan Vs Cell making the Earth shake.

Goku SSJ 3 charging first time and Making the Earth Shake.

All this is canon and in the manga.

He was bluffing. There's absolutely nothing to substantiate his statement.

Yeah then I guess Gohan was also lying? When Cell said that Gohan he didn't seem surspised, he knew that he would have to make a Kamehameha wave equal or greater than Solar System destroying to defeat Cell. And that is what he did. Or you're saying Gohan doesn't know his own strength in terms of measurement of power? Oh and just so you know, at this stage, Gohan would be able to release a Kamehameha able to destroy TWO Solar Systems, on account that he was at LESS than HALF power when he released his blast agaisnt Cell.

Yet that attack barely created a 10 - foot crater in the ground.

Hmm? when did the attack hit the ground so that it could create a crater?

If that attack could have destroyed a planet, Mr. Satan wouldn't have been sitting a few hundred meters away unharmed.

Sorry, I respect you but this is Bull. When has a beam EVER affected anything on its surroundings and causing great damage? Never. So its safe to say that Mr. Satan could be safe as long as he's not close (or in contat) with the blast.

HINT: Krillin was close when Gohan and Cell released their Solar System destroying Kamehameha waves. these are two great forces, and none of the Z fighters, who like Mr. Satan, were near 100 mts away (dont know where you got this number, but lets use it) didn't get hurt, sure some winds occur, but nothing that can phisically damage anyone.

(Ill continue on a new post, this one seems to have reached a WHITE limit 😕 ).

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I can not post scans here.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
But feats in Dragon Ball are feats of huge amount of Energy.

Like Buu killing all humans.

Gohan Vs Cell making the Earth shake.

Goku SSJ 3 charging first time and Making the Earth Shake.

All this is canon and in the manga.

Absolutely idiotic. Krillin and Roshi didn't say anything during that exchange, and voices only move at the speed of sound. How can sound move faster than sound?

Know whats REALLY idiotic? the fact that Supes pushes a planet and changing its orbit doesnt make the planet shoot in towards the Sun (or away from it). You can't apply DEEP physics in this thread, simple math will do.

That's less than a megaton nuke. Besides, you're ignoring the radiation.

Uhm, Supes doesn't shoot Heat Vision with radiation so I don't see how this will be a problem.

Prove it. No one in DBZ has demonstrated physical strength anywhere near that level.

He just told you, his strength doesn't lie in muscles, rather in his Ki (chi). We already know that Supes is stronger than Goku, but Supes is nowhere near as powerful.

Power isn't equal to strength.

There are no canon states beyond SSJ3. Stop lying.

Powering up. This doesn't imply "new transformation".

Irrelevant.

Goku fiths faster than Supes. While hitting Supes he can power up a blast. Don't see how this is "irrelevant".

Again I'll continue with a new post, I can't continue on this one :/

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Yeah then I guess Gohan was also lying? When Cell said that Gohan he didn't seem surspised, he knew that he would have to make a Kamehameha wave equal or greater than Solar System destroying to defeat Cell.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
And that is what he did. Or you're saying Gohan doesn't know his own strength in terms of measurement of power? Oh and just so you know, at this stage, Gohan would be able to release a Kamehameha able to destroy TWO Solar Systems, on account that he was at LESS than HALF power when he released his blast agaisnt Cell.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Hmm? when did the attack hit the ground so that it could create a crater?

And here I thought you read the manga...

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Sorry, I respect you but this is Bull. When has a beam EVER affected anything on its surroundings and causing great damage? Never. So its safe to say that Mr. Satan could be safe as long as he's not close (or in contat) with the blast.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
HINT: Krillin was close when Gohan and Cell released their Solar System destroying Kamehameha waves. these are two great forces, []/b]

Originally posted by Pete Beast
[B]and none of the Z fighters, who like Mr. Satan, were near 100 mts away (dont know where you got this number, but lets use it) didn't get hurt, sure some winds occur, but nothing that can phisically damage anyone.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
(Ill continue on a new post, this one seems to have reached a WHITE limit 😕 ).

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Know whats REALLY idiotic? the fact that Supes pushes a planet and changing its orbit doesnt make the planet shoot in towards the Sun (or away from it). You can't apply DEEP physics in this thread, simple math will do.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Uhm, Supes doesn't shoot Heat Vision with radiation so I don't see how this will be a problem.

Originally posted by Pete Beast
He just told you, his strength doesn't lie in muscles, rather in his Ki (chi). We already know that Supes is stronger than Goku, but Supes is nowhere near as powerful.

Power isn't equal to strength.

Originally posted by Pete Beast

Goku fiths faster than Supes. While hitting Supes he can power up a blast. Don't see how this is "irrelevant".

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Again I'll continue with a new post, I can't continue on this one :/

You're a dbz fanboy that was recuruited in from another board by that troll phenomenol or Sarutobi aren't you? Its obvious that you're just here to try and defend a losing battle with more fanboy bullshit, a lack of evidence, extrapolation based on non-canon numbers and a major hard-on for Goku.

^I know it is a losing battle, at goku's max he could do 500 tons, move at speeds approaching light speeds and destroy planets with his energy projectiles. We dont know supes max(or if he even has one) but so far he can do 250 qualtrillion tons with one hand, traverse the enitre span of the universe instantly, and destroy big bangs with his projectiles.

No one in DBZ has ever destroyed more than a planet.

No one in the DBZ universe ever needed to. So... Also, Kng Cold stated himself that he just need ONE blast to destroy the earth. I dont need to explain how much stronger Goku is over King Cold.

Using advanced technology.

I rather call it by what they are: Blasts. Blasts as powerful as Supes Heat Vision, made by a human (note, I'm not saying as HOT as his Heat Vision).

He was weakened. Stop using low showings and PIS to define a character.

Weakened after one blast. What makes you think that agasint Goku he could have more than one blast? Goku at a distance of mere inches can eitehr counter or evade an attack even an eye beam) so Supes Heat Vision wouldn't affect him.

Superman fought Darkseid to the sun in the time it took to say a few sentences. DBZ characters are not even 1% of lightspeed and take hours to fly someone else on the same planet.

Lol, Burter moves faster than light. That answeres enough.

INFO: I have access to all manga scans I claim, I DON'T have access to anything past the Cell games. I DO have all the manga scans but they are in spanish and even then my scaners' reader broke (literrally, broke) so those wont be much help.

Just ask me and I'll post any scans that I personally claim.

P.S. How do I post scans? I hear new people here can't?

If this is an invision board then I'm guessing there shouldn't be a problem.

Anyways, I won't be reading any replies any time soon, gotta go. I'll save to favorites and come back and answere, thx for the time and I hope this is all flame free. Thx.