Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Originally posted by dirkdirden
But Goku wins harder.

You can't prove something like Goku's Ki being able to hurt superman because we aren't the creators of either character. You just have to assume because Superman can be hurt by magic then he can be hurt by ki, and if I saw someone shoot blue energy out of there hands and blow shit up I'd call it magic so Ki classifies as magic....to me anyways.

As for it being strong enough it really doesn't have to be, he can hit him multiple times and weaken him then finish him off.

....But ki isn't magic in the show. It's energy, not magic. Magic was shown and it wasn't ki. Parapapa? Anyone?

goku can do everything supes do and better.

Originally posted by xmeat
goku can do everything supes do and better.

except heat vision, speed, icebreath, physical strength, endurance, invulnerability etc etc

The only point I will give you is that Goku is probably the better martial artist. Of course since he won't land more than one hit anyway that won't help him.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
....But ki isn't magic in the show. It's energy, not magic. Magic was shown and it wasn't ki. Parapapa? Anyone?

Magic comes in many forms young one. Goku Bester than the supes

As for it being strong enough it really doesn't have to be, he can hit him multiple times and weaken him then finish him off.

Yes, no one has thought of hitting Superman more than once...

It's like saying you could shoot Superman a few times to weaken him. He won't feel any of the hits. Supergirl hit him repeatedly at super speed with punches millions of time stronger than Goku. Superman unphased, responded by knocking her to the ground with a single uppercut.

But Goku wins harder.

This is some of the worst logic I've ever seen. Ever.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Magic comes in many forms young one. Goku Bester than the supes

Don't you dare condescend to me and call me 'young one'. First off, magic is magic in dbz. Ki is not magic. Simple as that, enough said.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Yes, no one has thought of hitting Superman more than onse...

It's like saying you could shoot Superman a few times to weaken him. He won't feel any of the hits. Supergirl hit him repeatedly at superspeed with punches millions of time stronger than Goku. Superman unphased, responded by knocking her to the ground with a single uppercut.

This is some of the worst logic I've ever seen. Ever.

Goku wins harder was a joke....Very nice.

Goku wont be punching he be blasting and the supasupa wont take the blast with a smile.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
except heat vision, speed, icebreath, physical strength, endurance, invulnerability etc etc

The only point I will give you is that Goku is probably the better martial artist. Of course since he won't land more than one hit anyway that won't help him.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Don't you dare condescend to me and call me 'young one'. First off, magic is magic in dbz. Ki is not magic. Simple as that, enough said.

Ki is not magic so says the young one, well some may disagree.

Originally posted by xmeat
goku constantely fights those faster than him superman hardly does and dont go saying darky and doomsdy are faster than characters like majin buu.

Are you aware of Superman's speed feats? (and for him they are sans teleporting power)

here's a good one and its nowhere near his most impressive http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...upespeed6kt.jpg

I'm pretty sure Majin Buu was faster then Darkseid and Doomsday. But that doesn't make Goku faster than Superman.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Are you aware of Superman's speed feats? (and for him they are sans teleporting power)

here's a good one and its nowhere near his most impressive http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...upespeed6kt.jpg

I'm pretty sure Majin Buu was faster then Darkseid and Doomsday. But that doesn't make Goku faster than Superman.

It is too hard to tell who is faster and it wouldn't matter too much because goku can telaport and superman can't so no matter how fast he is goku will get there first, and superman can't find goku after he telaports but goku will always know were superman is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Are you aware of Superman's speed feats? (and for him they are sans teleporting power)

here's a good one and its nowhere near his most impressive http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...upespeed6kt.jpg

I'm pretty sure Majin Buu was faster then Darkseid and Doomsday. But that doesn't make Goku faster than Superman.

Originally posted by xmeat
your scan didn't work.

darn it works in the respect thread

basicly it shows him going from from new york to France, finding a specific bottle of champagne, returning to New York and changing into his street clothes in less than one second with out breaking a sweat.

The bad thing about DBZ is sometimes Goku is flying crazy fast and other times it takes him 2 days to go 2 blocks so his flying speed has no real validity.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
It is too hard to tell who is faster and it wouldn't matter too much because goku can telaport and superman can't so no matter how fast he is goku will get there first, and superman can't find goku after he telaports but goku will always know were superman is.

Originally posted by Magee
Goku will not be able to find Superman as his ki will be no higher than that of a normal humans since his powers do not work like that in the dbz universe. Further more Goku needs to think to use i.t and supermans speed is far beyond the speed of thought and it has been shown Goku has trouble using I.T when he is stressed/ cant concentrate which I think is hard to do when you are being hit a thousand times a second. Seriously you dont belong here as you obviously know sweet fuk all about Superman. And come on, you think ki is magic? It is energy from within the body it may seem like magic to the uneducated person but it is by all means, not magical. And it took Gotenks all of his fusion time to fly around the world, 8 times i think it was, not even close to Supermans speed. And how about some feats to back up your claims that Goku beats Superman? There is nothing that suggests he can even take him down when you look at Supermans durability feats. Try looking at this logicaly instead of omg goku fires kamehameha and Superman wont survive coz he has blown up the universe with it pals. But theres no convincing you is there so why I even wasted 5 mins typing this is beyond me.

Not only is he just as fast he has way more natural instent as a fighter it is in his sayain blood. Also the more he fights superman the stronger he gets......can someone say endless power......I can. Also Goku would be sure to have a few cenzu beans....not that he'd need them but he would still have them.

When Superman goes to hit him Bamn after image and double fisted to ground with a blast following.

SS4 Goku almost got impaled by a flagpole, he almost got drowned and he was easily blinded nuff said

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Not only is he just as fast he has way more natural instent as a fighter it is in his sayain blood. Also the more he fights superman the stronger he gets......can someone say endless power......I can. Also Goku would be sure to have a few cenzu beans....not that he'd need them but he would still have them.

When Superman goes to hit him Bamn after image and double fisted to ground with a blast following.

And do you have any actual proof that Goku is anywhere near as fast as Superman?

Superman has actual feats that put him at beyond lightspeed travelling and reaction times, Goku has none. In fact, in many of his fights such as against Cell and Buu, normal humans are able to percieve him fighting and get a general idea of what's going on, which wouldn't be possible if he was as fast as people claimed.