Originally posted by NPC
Let's see, when ever any of the DBZ characters are trying to get somewhere fast they dont get there immediately. Like trunks looking for the dragon radar when Goku 1st goes SSJ3. That wasnt the speed of light an he was a super sayain an obviously in a hurry an moving as fast as he could. An since the earth is about 24,000 mi around, if you were moving at the speed of light you would get anywhere in the world instantly.
Superman is that fast, have you not seen the movie? He can go back in time he is so fast. No DBZ character could hope to touch him let alone beat him.
his power level at 10 was 124( this might be a little high ir more liek 72)
his poiwer level pre super sayining was almost a million.
if a kid with a power level of 124 can dodge lightning then a person who is over a 100 times more powerfull could eaisliy go the speed of light.
that all pre super sayin
Originally posted by Ritoshi
Well Goku gets beaten to an inch of his life because the people he is facing are at his level...Supes holds back whiole fighting a guy in a robot suit, Monkies, Lex luthor(Why should supes go all out) Supes goe sall out when he fights people his power and gets beaten to an inch too..... Oh and Goku beat Nappa like he was a piece of garbage,The ginyu force didn't even touch him once(Outside of Captain Ginyu). < He doesn'tr always get beaten to an inch...if you even manage to touch goku.
Actually supes fought Darksied 4 different times in that cartoon, each time it was a very close fight to the death I might add an yet supes was clearly holding back because he never hit Darksied this hard before in the cartoon at least. Because the fight before this Darksied was actually killed. The only reason he is back is because Lex Luthor tried to resurrect Brainiac but instead resurrected Darksied who got fused with what was left of brainiac.
But this clip he finally like this is the real me, cause Darksied is fused with Brainiac an thought he was gonna whoop up on supes. Suprise!
Superman has mental blocks that prevent him from using is true, full power. When he is pushed beyond his limits sometimes those mental blocks disappear an he is more resistant to kryptonite, becomes faster, stronger, you name it. I think one comic suggested even his kryptonite weakness was merely a mental block an he couldnt handle being that powerful an unstoppable so he unconsciously gave himself a weakness.
Even with those mental blocks limiting his power, he still consciously pulls his punches when fighting most enemies.
I wasnt even truely aware of that an I had read the comics for many years.
I remember reading somewhere that superman would never know his full power because he would not allow himself to fully let go.
An thats why this clip is so cool.
http://media.putfile.com/Superman-Full-Power
How awesomely powerful do you have to be that you have to give yourself weaknesses so you dont accidentally kill your enemies? An not weak enemies powerful enemies.
I dont see sayians doing that, lol.
ok looks like I was wrong about what Piccolo said but thier is no signs what so ever about him moving before the beam was on it's way. Good observation about the characters flying and all NPC however their are a lot of things like that but that doesn't mean they don't move faster then light. It just means that it contradicts it's self. Their are a lot of things in DBZ that don't make any since just like in comics. Like how at all can characters move faster then light when you think of the theory of relativity their would be diffent effects (http://www.astronomyinfo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/FasterthanLight.htm). And how can someone talk in space. Like I said before the characters in the sayan saga moved so fast they were invisible to gohan and gohan is a trained fighter so after that the reason characters take so long to get to a place is for dramatic effect.
Originally posted by NPC
Actually supes fought Darksied 4 different times in that cartoon, each time it was a very close fight to the death I might add an yet supes was clearly holding back because he never hit Darksied this hard before in the cartoon at least. Because the fight before this Darksied was actually killed. The only reason he is back is because Lex Luthor tried to resurrect Brainiac but instead resurrected Darksied who got fused with what was left of brainiac.
But this clip he finally like this is the real me, cause Darksied is fused with Brainiac an thought he was gonna whoop up on supes. Suprise!Superman has mental blocks that prevent him from using is true, full power. When he is pushed beyond his limits sometimes those mental blocks disappear an he is more resistant to kryptonite, becomes faster, stronger, you name it. I think one comic suggested even his kryptonite weakness was merely a mental block an he couldnt handle being that powerful an unstoppable so he unconsciously gave himself a weakness.
Even with those mental blocks limiting his power, he still consciously pulls his punches when fighting most enemies.
I wasnt even truely aware of that an I had read the comics for many years.
I remember reading somewhere that superman would never know his full power because he would not allow himself to fully let go.
An thats why this clip is so cool.
Yes, I uploaded that video.....and ummm this is comic supes, Cartoon supes is still 8000000 tiems powered down.
Originally posted by dvampire
So Superman wins basically. The DBZ support go by speculation and what they wish the DBZ characters can do, while Supes can and has done the feats.1. DBZ characters aren't light speed, even Goku at the end wasn't close to that without IT. Supes has shown plenty of times being able to move faster then light, even his brain move at far faster speed then theirs.
and yes they can transcend lightspeed I just proved they could and all you can say is NU-UH.. not a valid argument...
and you're right about IT it isn't close to lightspeed.. it's WAYYYYYYYYY faster than lightspeed the fact that you're ignoring this is ridiculous...
Originally posted by dvampiredeflecting it isn't surviving it? 😕 frieza kicked a planet destroying blast into space.. notonly that but it was another beam that would be moving times amount the speed of light.... and he did it STILL at less than 1% of his overall power...
2. DBZ characters never survived planet destroying blasts,
Originally posted by dvampireagain you're confusing the amount of power displayed vs. the power of the person weilding it.
It doesn't take the destruction of the planet to really hurt a DBZ character either, they got badly hurt by physical attacks (not close to Supes in comparison) and moutain or nuking explosions; not planet destroying.
Originally posted by dvampireto bad for goku humans and saiyans only make up about a forth of the DBZ roster... 😕
3. They can't breath in space, Supes can. So if the planet is destroyed, he'll still be alive, they won't (except for the androids and aliens).
Originally posted by dvampirethey don't have to be.. they're far faster, better fighters, and more powerful....
4. None of them are physically on par with Supes. Supes can push planets (and destroy them with physical force) and even lift moutains even back in his bryne days, ssj2 Goku (at the end of the seires) struggled to push two hills apart and if we use ssj4, he struggled to push a building back in place.
Originally posted by dvampire
5. Supes have far more stamina. Supes is able to fight for weeks, Goku at ssj3 could barely fight a few minutes. They have to build up allot of energy to fight, they have to be careful in using their energy blasts also, which takes away alot of stamina (they can't continously use energy blasts) Supes doesn't have to worry about that.
Originally posted by dvampireif he could touch them maybe.
6. Supes attacks are fast and deadly towards them if he's bloodlusted.
Originally posted by dvampireblasts by the end of the saiyan saga are more devistating than heat vision.... what did they do to vegeta? just pissed him off....
He can lobotimize them, just stand over them melting them with Heat Vision,
Originally posted by dvampirewhich also wouldn't connect.
he could use Ice Breath then use the previous methods,
Originally posted by dvampirenot if they use an omnidirectional blast... and so what goku took on the onslaught of buu who had galaxy destroying power levels...
Supes could suck all the energy or air out of any of them (Superman's lungs are very strong, he was able to suck all types of energy and chemical gases, he even absorbed the Meggadon War head which can destroy half a galaxy) or use T-vo.,
All that said, Supes can win the match easily if he goes all out. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Galvaclawwhich you COULD argue that he does... batman has been shot at.. moved out of the way of an incoming bullet AFTER it was fired and speedblitzed the guy who shot at him before the bullet hit the wall behind were batman was... considering that characters are supposed to be at their best here one could easily argue that batman has reflexes that transcend the speed of a bullet.. cause he's proven to have them on occasion after occasion.. the reason why you're flat out wrong here is because radditz like batman dodged the beam AFTER it was fired at him... he can clearly move as fast as I previously discussed...
No what it means is that Raditz can move slighly to the side in the time it takes Piccolo to charge and fire the beam. It does not mean he has light speed reflexes. Thats like saying Batman has super sonic reflexes because he can dodge a bullet.
Originally posted by Galvaclawhe was shcoked tha goku might blow up earth.. wouldn't anyone be? 😕
And yet Cell was so very shocked when Goku charged up a Kamehameha with enough power to destroy the planet. Showing despite having a powerlevel millions of time higher than first form freeza his average attack wasn't planet destroying.
Originally posted by Galvaclawnot his first form finger blast...
Also Freeza's blast is a core destroyer. It tunnels inthe core and blows it up. There isn't an instant explosion. Also recent scientific research shows the moon does have a core.
oh wait we're going by scientific evidence now? cause in that case the planet can't explode by being hit at the core.. it will cause the atmosphere to experience immense storms and such but it won't cause the planet to explode.. so scientifically hitting the core means nothing as to why the planets explode.. 😬
Originally posted by Galvaclawmaking stuff up? I wasn't talking about warworld.. look there are scas of that feat posted all over the damned site.. he had wonder womand and gl there to help him.. too bad gl's power allows him to do virtually anything he wants.. kinda takes the wind outa supe's sales for that feat..
Well now it's obvious your just making stuff up. When Superman pushed war world he was on his own, but powered up. It was resisting him with boosters that are capable of propelling it to faster than light speeds. While War world itself was supercharged by Imperiex a being who had devoured mutiple galaxies. No thats not a feat at all..
Originally posted by Galvaclawgo look in the old supes vs. goku thread...
I'd like proof of the Black hole comment.
Originally posted by Galvaclawcanon is irrelivant to this thread the thread where dbz is concerned includes dbgt characters which recognizes that the movies took place.. there goes that argument. :rollseyes:
Maybe because he's struggled pushing a small hill in half. Or the whole 40 tons debacle. Also one of the few times canon times a planet was destroyed in DBZ by anyone other than Kid Buu.
Originally posted by NPCyes there has been.. bu did it, vegeta did it, friza did it, vegeta did it again...
http://media.putfile.com/Superman-Full-PowerSuperman holds back most of his power MOST of the time and wins.
How many times has Goku lost? Beaten to an inch of his life? Died? Many times
When they show planets getting destroyed they are only hitting the core. Never have any DBZ character ever hit a planet with a blast so big the planet an those around it are utter destroyed instantly, ever.
Originally posted by NPCwhat are you talking about? one moment king kai is chilling the next he freaks cause the southern galaxy is virtually gone.. so either brolly did it SOOOOO extremely fast that the speed of light thing isn't even an argument anymore.. OR he's so powerful that he can destroy a galaxy almost instantly... 😕
There is a VERY big difference in power require to do that. When they talk of Brolly destroying a galaxy that doesnt mean he did it with a single blast, he went planet by planet destroying them, the same with buu an so on.
Originally posted by NPCyes they can I already proved that if all you got is another nu-uh argument then you lose plaina dn simple.. also goku's it is extremely fast movement he describes it as such AND it's displayed in movie six how it works... AND movies are useable in this debate beause of the topic of said debate... if superman tried to deliver a lightspeed punch any dbz character of a pl of 3000 or higher could easily side step it.. as I've already proven.
No DBZ character has ever moved anywhere in the same ballpark as the speed of light, period. Goku's I.T. can only be used to move great distances quickly not fight with that kind of speed. Meaning superman could deliver a punch at the speed of light, Goku's I.T. would not be able to do the same thing.
Originally posted by Ritoshi
Supes uses Krillin's bald head as tiolet paper 😱
I hate DBZ. Every episode is just these little people pulsing with energy for ages then fighting some green bloke called seth (or something.)
The animation is utter trash and the story lines pathetic.
Could Superman beat Green lantern, if green lantern made a green kryptonite mega spike and rammed it into his head?
Originally posted by BicnarokIt's old...deal with it.
I hate DBZ. Every episode is just these little people pulsing with energy for ages then fighting some green bloke called seth (or something.)
The animation is utter trash and the story lines pathetic.
Could Superman beat Green lantern, if green lantern made a green kryptonite mega spike and rammed it into his head?