Superman can defeat EVERY DBGT character...............combined

Superman wins.

Originally posted by badabing
Superman wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
why do you want me to kill you? 😐

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Originally posted by jinzin
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Originally posted by jinzin
listen we can go about this forever but lets look at some basic facts...
at their better showings: (not even their best)
dbz characters move faster than light (radditz example)
DBZ characters can destroy planets without hitting the core (frieza example)
dbz characters have strength well within class 100 levels (gravity chamber)
dbz characters can survive planet destroying explosions (frieza)
dbz characters can blow up solar systems at will (brolly, cell, buu)

NOW: if you guys want to keep arguing low end feats for DBZ characters then maybe we should disgard all the high end feats of superman as well.. let's see...

-supes has been KOed by a gas station explosion so he obviously can't take a planetary explosion
-supes has struggled to lift a falling crane.. so he obviously can't move planets
-supes has been shot by green arrow and stuffed mid speed blitz by batman so he's obviously not faster than light
-supes has been straight up handled by batman in hand to hand combat and got beat down by doomsday in a physical confrontation even though he had more powers so he's obviously not that great a fighter or that smart.
-supes has failed to kill batman with a punch so he obviously can't hurt DBZ characters with them.

see there are plenty of low end showings for superman as well.. does that mean that we dbz supporters should use them as the standard for superman's limitations?
the way you supes fanboys have been arguing against DBZ high end feats, it certainly seems that way. 😕

You are not allowed to show Supes low feats 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
listen we can go about this forever but lets look at some basic facts...
at their better showings: (not even their best)
dbz characters move faster than light (radditz example)
DBZ characters can destroy planets without hitting the core (frieza example)
dbz characters have strength well within class 100 levels (gravity chamber)
dbz characters can survive planet destroying explosions (frieza)
dbz characters can blow up solar systems at will (brolly, cell, buu)

NOW: if you guys want to keep arguing low end feats for DBZ characters then maybe we should disgard all the high end feats of superman as well.. let's see...

-supes has been KOed by a gas station explosion so he obviously can't take a planetary explosion
-supes has struggled to lift a falling crane.. so he obviously can't move planets
-supes has been shot by green arrow and stuffed mid speed blitz by batman so he's obviously not faster than light
-supes has been straight up handled by batman in hand to hand combat and got beat down by doomsday in a physical confrontation even though he had more powers so he's obviously not that great a fighter or that smart.
-supes has failed to kill batman with a punch so he obviously can't hurt DBZ characters with them.

see there are plenty of low end showings for superman as well.. does that mean that we dbz supporters should use them as the standard for superman's limitations?
the way you supes fanboys have been arguing against DBZ high end feats, it certainly seems that way. 😕

So Superman wins basically. The DBZ support go by speculation and what they wish the DBZ characters can do, while Supes can and has done the feats.

1. DBZ characters aren't light speed, even Goku at the end wasn't close to that without IT. Supes has shown plenty of times being able to move faster then light, even his brain move at far faster speed then theirs.

2. DBZ characters never survived planet destroying blasts, every time Goku was faced with that, he either deflected it away or die from it (Cell). Supes has survived supernovas, wormholes, black holes, blasts from a GL rings (that are also capable of destroying planets), he's been hit by his own weaknesses like Kryptonite and redsunlight countless of times along with other types of energy blasts and was still fighting; all which are greater then the destruction of a planet. It doesn't take the destruction of the planet to really hurt a DBZ character either, they got badly hurt by physical attacks (not close to Supes in comparison) and moutain or nuking explosions; not planet destroying.

3. They can't breath in space, Supes can. So if the planet is destroyed, he'll still be alive, they won't (except for the androids and aliens).

4. None of them are physically on par with Supes. Supes can push planets (and destroy them with physical force) and even lift moutains even back in his bryne days, ssj2 Goku (at the end of the seires) struggled to push two hills apart and if we use ssj4, he struggled to push a building back in place.

5. Supes have far more stamina. Supes is able to fight for weeks, Goku at ssj3 could barely fight a few minutes. They have to build up allot of energy to fight, they have to be careful in using their energy blasts also, which takes away alot of stamina (they can't continously use energy blasts) Supes doesn't have to worry about that.

6. Supes attacks are fast and deadly towards them if he's bloodlusted. He can lobotimize them, just stand over them melting them with Heat Vision, he could use Ice Breath then use the previous methods, Supes could suck all the energy or air out of any of them (Superman's lungs are very strong, he was able to suck all types of energy and chemical gases, he even absorbed the Meggadon War head which can destroy half a galaxy) or use T-vo.

All that said, Supes can win the match easily if he goes all out.

As for the DBZ speculation and wishful thinking (again).

1. DBZ characters can't move at the speed of light.
2. No one in DBZ has never survived a planet destruction or can't blow up a the planet with a simple KI blast without charging then aimming towards the planet, like they did countless of times
3. DBZ characters aren't close to Supes in strength or any of his more powerful villians, he's also taken damage from chracters far beyound class 100 (like himself) characters and wasn't hurt at all by it. Training in 100x gravity doesn't make them class 100 either. Goku wieghs about 137 pounds right, that would mean he was only trainning with 6 tons. That's nothing to Supes.
7. No one in DBZ can destory a galaxy. it was stated that Buu destroyed several planets in the manga (who went to planet to planet)

As for the sad Supes hatred and lies

1. Supes was perfectly fine after the gas explosion back in the DOS arc, which happened after fighting DD for a while, so he was already weakened. This is nothing to current Supes today, who's survived planet explosions and beyound.
2. Supes push planets now, he's never struggled with an airplane currently, maybe back in the early 80s, but not now.
3. Supes has speedbiltz an entire team of hero's (even people with Superspeed). And most of his the hero's and villians he fights have superspeed aswell.
4. Supes was never beaten by Batman without prep, even with prep, Batman was able to stop him without Supes holding back from killing him. And DD is Supes physical superior and is a weapon, it's obvious he'll have trouble against that.
5. Supes has always held back from harming Batman. Oh, and Hercule has survived being hit by Cell and Kid Buu so i don't see your point on that nonsense (Huh...desperate fanboys)? 😕

Originally posted by Ritoshi
You are not allowed to show Supes low feats 😆

They were all misleading. 😉

Just to add that Duh,Goku deflects it because he can not breath in space........Sonot a good Idea to survive a planet blast eh ?

Originally posted by Ritoshi
Just to add that Duh,Goku deflects it because he can not breath in space........Sonot a good Idea to survive a planet blast eh ?

Because he can't survive a planet destroying blast right (Cell)? Who needs to destroy the planet anways, they get hurt pretty bad by physical beatings (not close to the strength of Supes) and moutain/nuking explosions. 🙂

Um no, he can't breath in space....thats why...

Originally posted by jinzin
no it doesn't... 🤨

we are allowed to see things happen in "bullet time" basically for DBZ.. a clear cut example of this is Burta, he moves faster than the DBZ fighters can detect WITHOUT his power up.... later on we see him attacking goku far slower than his first speed feat implies he can travel.... is it because he's in fact slower than we're led to believe or is it for the SAKE OF ENTERTAINMENT??? 😬

So, in other words, you're saying that people like Bulma and the TV reporter at the Cell Games could move faster than the SoL? That's the only way that your argument can be true.

Originally posted by jinzin
of course there are two sides to every coin... by your logic...
"superman flies slower than the speed of a bullet in his cartoon he obviously can't be faster than sound much less light"

I don't really understand what you're trying to say.

To add to that, the general public of DBZ Earth has seen battles on numerous occassions, as well as energy blasts, which means that if energy blasts move at SoL, then everyone in the DBZ universe can move at SoL. Is that what you're saying?

Unknown the DBZ universe is not logical ok. Same way with the dc one. superman and doomsday where fighting at top speed and not only were people able to watch them in person and on tv but their was pictures taken of them. Now supes was not as powerfull as he is now but they should have at least gone past the speed of sound and looked like a blur on tv and in the photos. That is not a vaild argument that just because people can see them that they can't go light speed. Are you saying that everyone in the DCU can move faster then sound? well they all watched the doomsday superman fight too.

Originally posted by dvampire
So Superman wins basically. The DBZ support go by speculation and what they wish the DBZ characters can do, while Supes can and has done the feats.

1. DBZ characters aren't light speed, even Goku at the end wasn't close to that without IT. Supes has shown plenty of times being able to move faster then light, even his brain move at far faster speed then theirs.

2. DBZ characters never survived planet destroying blasts, every time Goku was faced with that, he either deflected it away or die from it (Cell). Supes has survived supernovas, wormholes, black holes, blasts from a GL rings (that are also capable of destroying planets), he's been hit by his own weaknesses like Kryptonite and redsunlight countless of times along with other types of energy blasts and was still fighting; all which are greater then the destruction of a planet. It doesn't take the destruction of the planet to really hurt a DBZ character either, they got badly hurt by physical attacks (not close to Supes in comparison) and moutain or nuking explosions; not planet destroying.

3. They can't breath in space, Supes can. So if the planet is destroyed, he'll still be alive, they won't (except for the androids and aliens).

4. None of them are physically on par with Supes. Supes can push planets (and destroy them with physical force) and even lift moutains even back in his bryne days, ssj2 Goku (at the end of the seires) struggled to push two hills apart and if we use ssj4, he struggled to push a building back in place.

5. Supes have far more stamina. Supes is able to fight for weeks, Goku at ssj3 could barely fight a few minutes. They have to build up allot of energy to fight, they have to be careful in using their energy blasts also, which takes away alot of stamina (they can't continously use energy blasts) Supes doesn't have to worry about that.

6. Supes attacks are fast and deadly towards them if he's bloodlusted. He can lobotimize them, just stand over them melting them with Heat Vision, he could use Ice Breath then use the previous methods, Supes could suck all the energy or air out of any of them (Superman's lungs are very strong, he was able to suck all types of energy and chemical gases, he even absorbed the Meggadon War head which can destroy half a galaxy) or use T-vo.

All that said, Supes can win the match easily if he goes all out.

As for the DBZ speculation and wishful thinking (again).

1. DBZ characters can't move at the speed of light.
2. No one in DBZ has never survived a planet destruction or can't blow up a the planet with a simple KI blast without charging then aimming towards the planet, like they did countless of times
3. DBZ characters aren't close to Supes in strength or any of his more powerful villians, he's also taken damage from chracters far beyound class 100 (like himself) characters and wasn't hurt at all by it. Training in 100x gravity doesn't make them class 100 either. Goku wieghs about 137 pounds right, that would mean he was only trainning with 6 tons. That's nothing to Supes.
7. No one in DBZ can destory a galaxy. it was stated that Buu destroyed several planets in the manga (who went to planet to planet)

As for the sad Supes hatred and lies

Originally posted by dvampire
1. Supes was perfectly fine after the gas explosion back in the DOS arc, which happened after fighting DD for a while, so he was already weakened. This is nothing to current Supes today, who's survived planet explosions and beyound.

oh but using goku's limitations from snake way is suitable? bias...

Originally posted by dvampire
2. Supes push planets now, he's never struggled with an airplane currently, maybe back in the early 80s, but not now.

Originally posted by dvampire
3. Supes has speedbiltz an entire team of hero's (even people with Superspeed). And most of his the hero's and villians he fights have superspeed aswell.

Originally posted by dvampire
4. Supes was never beaten by Batman without prep,

Originally posted by dvampire
even with prep, Batman was able to stop him without Supes holding back from killing him.

Originally posted by dvampire
And DD is Supes physical superior and is a weapon, it's obvious he'll have trouble against that.

Originally posted by dvampire
5. Supes has always held back from harming Batman. Oh, and Hercule has survived being hit by Cell and Kid Buu so i don't see your point on that nonsense (Huh...desperate fanboys)? 😕

Originally posted by The Unknown
So, in other words, you're saying that people like Bulma and the TV reporter at the Cell Games could move faster than the SoL? That's the only way that your argument can be true.

Originally posted by The Unknown
I don't really understand what you're trying to say.

yet when radditz moves faster than the speed of light and 6 years later warriors millions of times stronger faster and more powerful fight human beings can still see them fighting... is it because the DBZ characters got slower than they were during the sayian saga or was it PIS for the sake of entertainment?

Originally posted by The Unknown
To add to that, the general public of DBZ Earth has seen battles on numerous occassions, as well as energy blasts, which means that if energy blasts move at SoL, then everyone in the DBZ universe can move at SoL. Is that what you're saying?

Originally posted by jinzin
ignore the counter points all you like.. doesn't change you from being wrong.. all you can say is nu-uh.

As for the sad Supes hatred and lies

being KOed is not fine..

oh but using goku's limitations from snake way is suitable? bias...

I'm not talking about an airplane I'm talking about a falling crane this is post hunter prey and he struggled.... 😕

like batman? 😕

yes he has... the hush fights was sans prep, when he fought the magically enhanced batman it was without prep too.. funny thing about magically enhanced bats.... only his durability and strength were increased.. h didn't have super speed or flight.. superman still got punched in the face...

wasn't prepped.. supes got the drop on batman...

not with all the powers you keep ssaying he can use and will use with certainty... seriously though I'm just displaying that his fighting skill is terrible... for instance iron fist has KOed hulk using skill cause hulk relies on brute strength and bashing things like DD... supes even with his powers was outfought by a brainless DD on 4 seperate occasions.

superman batman issue 3 evil supes socks batman.. batman gets up.... hurcule is also superhuman in terms of strength and durability.. is batman?
my point is that superman has low end feats too.. it's obvious that you don't see my point cause your fanboyism makes you hopeless...

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Originally posted by Ritoshi
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