Ok, I know a lot of you seem to think you know a lot about supes but most of your info is well... wrong. first off i haven't read the whole forum so if someone has already said these things then sorry. Ok, #1 superman is not faster than the speed of light. He hasn't been since pre-crisis. And even then way before crisis. The point is he is not THAT fast anymore. #2 He can be hurt by EXTREME force(i.e. Doomsday). This was verified in the most recent superman annual. My point is that supes is not as godly as you all seem to believe. Yes he has goten stronger since he went up against doomsday but he would still get his ass handed to him by Goku. It's not even close to a fair fight by the end of DB Goku is crazy powerful. I mean superman is powerful but hes not even the most powerful superhero in DC. One of them sure but hes not at the top. I would say Goku 8/10 times (supes has pulled of mericals in the past).
Originally posted by ace_88
Ok, I know a lot of you seem to think you know a lot about supes but most of your info is well... wrong. first off i haven't read the whole forum so if someone has already said these things then sorry. Ok, #1 superman is not faster than the speed of light. He hasn't been since pre-crisis. And even then way before crisis. The point is he is not THAT fast anymore. #2 He can be hurt by EXTREME force(i.e. Doomsday). This was verified in the most recent superman annual. My point is that supes is not as godly as you all seem to believe. Yes he has goten stronger since he went up against doomsday but he would still get his ass handed to him by Goku. It's not even close to a fair fight by the end of DB Goku is crazy powerful. I mean superman is powerful but hes not even the most powerful superhero in DC. One of them sure but hes not at the top. I would say Goku 8/10 times (supes has pulled of mericals in the past).
Superman changed and evolved, he is not godly but he is an cosmic being, stated in the OWAW, he went through Herlad++ Level Imperiex Probes like paper, an task Goku would never succeed in. Anyway, yes Superman can be beaten, he can be hurt by an extreme force like DD, but not by forces who are physically as "weak" as Goku, Goku is probably in the 80 tons range when it comes down to Strength, Goku can't move with the speed of light, just because you can't see him doesn't mean he is faster then light. Goku has just two great things, energyprojection and martial arts, both useful against Superman but not enough to even the odds in Gokus favour. Goku would loose against Superman. Superman wins at least 99/100. Flash would own Goku and all the DBZ fighters combined even faster 😉.
Originally posted by ace_88
Ok, I know a lot of you seem to think you know a lot about supes but most of your info is well... wrong. first off i haven't read the whole forum so if someone has already said these things then sorry. Ok, #1 superman is not faster than the speed of light. He hasn't been since pre-crisis. And even then way before crisis. The point is he is not THAT fast anymore. #2 He can be hurt by EXTREME force(i.e. Doomsday). This was verified in the most recent superman annual. My point is that supes is not as godly as you all seem to believe. Yes he has goten stronger since he went up against doomsday but he would still get his ass handed to him by Goku. It's not even close to a fair fight by the end of DB Goku is crazy powerful. I mean superman is powerful but hes not even the most powerful superhero in DC. One of them sure but hes not at the top. I would say Goku 8/10 times (supes has pulled of mericals in the past).
🙄 Superman Grabs Goku and chucks him in the sun end of or just grabs him and flys to space. And Superman has been shown to exceed lightspeed even in post crisis perhaps you need to pick up the latest comics and not comics from the early 90s.
Originally posted by ace_88Superman is faster than light speed, read some comics bro. 😉 He's done it quite a few times.
Ok, I know a lot of you seem to think you know a lot about supes but most of your info is well... wrong. first off i haven't read the whole forum so if someone has already said these things then sorry. Ok, #1 superman is not faster than the speed of light. He hasn't been since pre-crisis. And even then way before crisis. The point is he is not THAT fast anymore. #2 He can be hurt by EXTREME force(i.e. Doomsday). This was verified in the most recent superman annual. My point is that supes is not as godly as you all seem to believe. Yes he has goten stronger since he went up against doomsday but he would still get his ass handed to him by Goku. It's not even close to a fair fight by the end of DB Goku is crazy powerful. I mean superman is powerful but hes not even the most powerful superhero in DC. One of them sure but hes not at the top. I would say Goku 8/10 times (supes has pulled of mericals in the past).
Also, when he stops holding back his power, and still not going 'all out', for example in a scuffle against Black Adam, he remarked that his punches could crack the moon in half. Nothing suggested that it was his all either.
Examples Post - Crisis of Superman going FTL:
1. He flew from Earth to Saturn in 4 minutes in the Lex 2000 special (light takes 19 minutes to do that)
2. He fought Wonder Woman nearly all the way to the sun and back in under 1 minute and 54 seconds (light takes 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun)
3. He warped space when fighting the Cannibal planet
4. He went faster than light to escape a black hole
5. He fought Darkseid to the sun in less than a minute in Superman/Batman 13 (and then later took him all the way to the Source Wall)
Just off the top of my head, there are many more.
Originally posted by dvampire
He can take them all. S. Buu, Vegetto, Omega Shinron, and ssj4 Gogeta would be the only real match. But I see them dropping extremely quick once Supes stops holding back.
tenshin-han and supes would be a great fight...
even a goku holding back would be too much for supes...
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for starters, WE all dont have basis for our claims because
a.) both have never squared off
b.) both belong in a different universe
c.) we cant use feats or its hard to use feats as were comparing anime/manga to comics which is a bit different than comparing comic char. of different companies...
so were left with unadulterated speculation, assumption, biased/unbiased opinions to determine our judgement...
in my opinion, goku wins... 🙂
what say you? superman wins?
good for you... 🙂
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
really? hmmmmm...did you read the whole thread?
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no offense but after the serious debaters on your side left, this thread just turned into comedy gold...
too much circular logic...
I read the whole thread and it was proven, with feats from both chars, that Goku is weaker and slower then Superman. It was also proven that Superman can take Planetdestroying blasts and shake them off. It was also proven that there are no serious Goku debaters because most of the Pro-Goku people use no facts but assumption and il-math 😉.
But one thing is sure, if you like Goku and think he wins in your world, that's fine with me, more power to you. Everyone should have an opinion it doesn't matter how "realstic" it is, we talk about comics, mangas and animes 😉.
In my opinion and considering all facts I think Superman could take indeed all DB chars combined, though this would be an challange then 😄.