Dooku's Skill

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
To assume that Anakin would defeat Dooku would be to assume that he would stand a chance against Yoda and if you think he could go make friends with a poisonous reptile. . .Dooku slapped Kenobi around like he was his b!tch. Kenobi held up against and even outsmarted Anakin. The truth is the "Chosen One" only has the potential not the skill. To be honest all you Skywalker fanboys ( Luke's included) need to shut the f*ck up, they aren't that great. Just because they are the main characters of the saga does not make them the absolute-no-question-about-it most powerful. . .

I'm sorry who won in Revenge of the Sith? Anakin or Dooku? Anakin. In a lightsaber fight Anakin does stand a chance against Yoda, Mace, Palpatine, and a lot others. Obi-Wan wasn't defeated by Dooku due to his lightsaber skills but by Dooku's knowledge of the Force.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
I'm sorry who won in Revenge of the Sith? Anakin or Dooku? Anakin. In a lightsaber fight Anakin does stand a chance against Yoda, Mace, Palpatine, and a lot others. Obi-Wan wasn't defeated by Dooku due to his lightsaber skills but by Dooku's knowledge of the Force.

Hahahaha. Yoda would make Anakin's pea-sized brain explode before he could even ignite his saber. . .even if Dooku beat Kenobi with the force, that means he could do the same. Shien is a little knock-off of Soresu created by Soresu practitioners that lacked defensive skill. Makashi is the ultimate lightsaber-to-lightsaber form. Anakin and Obi-Wan are Dooku's speciality. . .

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Anakin and Obi-Wan are Dooku's speciality. . .

Hahahaha. AMEN!!!!! 😱 😱

Originally posted by Pyro Tyrannus
Hahahaha. Yoda would make Anakin's pea-sized brain explode before he could even ignite his saber. . .even if Dooku beat Kenobi with the force, that means he could do the same. Shien is a little knock-off of Soresu created by Soresu practitioners that lacked defensive skill. Makashi is the ultimate lightsaber-to-lightsaber form. Anakin and Obi-Wan are Dooku's speciality. . .

Anakin defeated Dooku. Which means Anakin would do a lot better against Yoda then Dooku did.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Anakin defeated Dooku. Which means Anakin would do a lot better against Yoda then Dooku did.

No. Thats an A<B<C arument which dont work. Yoda was Dookus master thus knowing many of Dookus moves and skills. And anyway Dooku wtf pwned Anakin in AOTC. Meaning Anakin wouldnt stand a chance against Yoda in AOTC. But they have both improved vastly since then in ROTS. We dont know how good Dooku would do against Yoda if he fought him again in ROTS. So again we wont know how good Anakin will do against Yoda either.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
Anakin defeated Dooku. Which means Anakin would do a lot better against Yoda then Dooku did.

That post screams "fanboy" does it not Rampant Ox?

Originally posted by Rampant ox
No. Thats an A<B<C arument which dont work. Yoda was Dookus master thus knowing many of Dookus moves and skills. And anyway Dooku wtf pwned Anakin in AOTC. Meaning Anakin wouldnt stand a chance against Yoda in AOTC. But they have both improved vastly since then in ROTS. We dont know how good Dooku would do against Yoda if he fought him again in ROTS. So again we wont know how good Anakin will do against Yoda either.

Same outcome. Yoda and Dooku didn't improve that much during the Clone Wars. After all both were barely on the battlefields and both have already reached their peeks basically. Anakin on the other head wasn't near his prime in Attack of the Clones and he did vastly improve during the Clone Wars.

Yoda was gasping for air after that few seconds of fighting Dooku. Don't believe watch again. Anakin wasn't even tired after slicing off Dooku's head.

And Dooku didn't pwn Anakin. He defeated Anakin but didn't pwn him.

Im sorry but Dooku through Anakin into a wall with force lightning and then chopped his arm off. I think that means that Dooku pwned Anakin.
No Anakin didnt LOOK tired after his fight with Dooku - but that doesnt mean he wasnt. Also Dooku didnt look tired either. They both could have kept fighting for a lot longer. However Anakin got lucky and managed to perform a tricky manouvre which defeated Dooku.This was manouvre was the reason Dooku lost - and it probably could have been avoided if Dooku wasnt being so arrogant and taunting Skywalker.

Rampant Ox and Pyro -

You're both arguing against facts, not with them.

Fact: The script and commentary prove that Count Dooku was fighting his absolute hardest against Anakin, and Anakin was simply better and overpowered him.

Fact: Palpatine wants the more powerful Sith Lord to be his apprentice.

Fact: Palpatine pitted Anakin against Dooku to see who would win, and that person would maintain the status of his apprentice.

Fact: Dooku lost.

Fact: That makes Anakin more powerful than Dooku.

Fact: Sidious told General Grievous that, soon, he would "have a new apprentice... one far younger and more powerful."

So, because I've said this time and time again - I'll make sure you get the jist:

Palpatine wants the more powerful person to be his apprentice. So he sets Anakin up against Dooku. Dooku loses. Thus, proving, that Anakin is more powerful than Dooku. Palpatine tells Grievous that Anakin is more powerful. The script and commentary show us this as well.

So, the both of you have no argument.

Your bias and your opinions can remain, but you're both wrong. Not because I say you are, but because proof is against you, and you have NONE but speculation.

Anakin > Dooku.

End. Of. Story.

Originally posted by Escape81
Rampant Ox and Pyro -

You're both arguing against facts, not with them.

Fact: The script and commentary prove that Count Dooku was fighting his absolute hardest against Anakin, and Anakin was simply better and overpowered him.

Fact: Palpatine wants the more powerful Sith Lord to be his apprentice.

Fact: Palpatine pitted Anakin against Dooku to see who would win, and that person would maintain the status of his apprentice.

Fact: Dooku lost.

Fact: That makes Anakin more powerful than Dooku.

Fact: Sidious told General Grievous that, soon, he would "have a new apprentice... one far younger and more powerful."

So, because I've said this time and time again - I'll make sure you get the jist:

Palpatine wants the more powerful person to be his apprentice. So he sets Anakin up against Dooku. Dooku loses. Thus, proving, that Anakin is more powerful than Dooku. Palpatine tells Grievous that Anakin is more powerful. The script and commentary show us this as well.

So, the both of you have no argument.

Your bias and your opinions can remain, but you're both wrong. Not because I say you are, but because proof is against you, and you have NONE but speculation.

Anakin > Dooku.

End. Of. Story.

Thank you

The major point you are missing is that DOOKU WASNT THERE TO KILL ANAKIN!!! Dooku was under the impression that Aankin was to be a general in the new army and was to be turned to the dark side. Yes in the bigger picture Sids was wanting to see whether Dooku or Anakin would win - but Dooku thought that Sids was still loyal. Then add in the fact Dooku was taunting Anakin much of the battle and that he was under the impression Sids would step in to help if anything was to go wrong.

The battle was clearly in Anakins favor. Anakin has far more potential than the Count, I am not arguing that, but in ROTS Dooku was still better - and would have won if it was a fair fight.

well i think had anakin shown up alone and tried to take on dooku and dooku was out to kill straight out, he probably would have won. dooku managed both of them at once briefly, he managed anakin solo for a while, and then obi wan showed up again. everyone forgets, or fails to notice that dooku did actually drop both of them in rots, he broke both their defences, he kicked anakin and used the force on obi wan, but he could have done the opposite and kicked obi wan and dealt a more serious injury to anakin.

in the rematch he pushed anakin too far and anakin had more stamina and strength than dooku and overpowered him. in terms of skill i think dooku was slightly better than anakin, but anakins strength and anger were too much. he was alot younger and had much more energy. and dooku pushed him too far.

but the count did break through both of their defences, anakin with a pretty standard melee attack and obi wans with the force. he just didnt have enough left to take on someone as close to his skill as anakin, especially when anakin had only gotten angrier and stronger, where dookus age caught up to him and hed exhausted most of his power.

Originally posted by Sin Harvest
I'm sorry who won in Revenge of the Sith? Anakin or Dooku? Anakin. In a lightsaber fight Anakin does stand a chance against Yoda, Mace, Palpatine, and a lot others. Obi-Wan wasn't defeated by Dooku due to his lightsaber skills but by Dooku's knowledge of the Force.

I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. Dooku utilising offensive force powers in a duel is part of his saber style. Don't differentiate them. Dooku's saber style is his own variation of Makashi which also happens to be one handed. This means that he always has one hand free, so if he is able to outduel his opponent into a vulnerable position and if he is able to mantain enough concentration, then he is able to pull of some nice offensive force powers. It is part of his style. Dooku outdueled both Anakin and Obi-Wan into vulnerable positions, and was thus able to temporarily deal with Anakin with a force lift and kick while force throwing the crap out of Kenobi. It was through a lightsaber duel that Dooku was able to defeat Kenobi, sorry to break it to you.

Originally posted by Escape81
Rampant Ox and Pyro -

You're both arguing against facts, not with them.

Fact: The script and commentary prove that Count Dooku was fighting his absolute hardest against Anakin, and Anakin was simply better and overpowered him.

I have recently been informed that canon is considered ultimate on these forums, and that the movies are a higher form of canon then the scripts. This means that they can come to any interpretation of the films they want, and place their opinion over the scripts based on their interpretation. You will just have to agree to disagree. The point is that they are not arguing against facts.

Originally posted by Escape81
Fact: Palpatine wants the more powerful Sith Lord to be his apprentice.

You need to learn and understand the context that words are used in. Palpatine said, 'Far younger and far more powerful.' Palpatine could have been linking both words together when he said this (I'm not saying he was, but he could have and it can be argued for) which would imply he meant 'powerful' as in 'potential'.

Another point: don't rely on quotes, they can be inaccurate, invalid, ungenuine and contradicted.

Originally posted by Count Kent
Acyually it was in response to 'If you must know, I am a freaking *******. I just hope that you people will say something funny in response.'

Originally posted by Rampant ox
The major point you are missing is that DOOKU WASNT THERE TO KILL ANAKIN!!! Dooku was under the impression that Aankin was to be a general in the new army and was to be turned to the dark side. Yes in the bigger picture Sids was wanting to see whether Dooku or Anakin would win - but Dooku thought that Sids was still loyal. Then add in the fact Dooku was taunting Anakin much of the battle and that he was under the impression Sids would step in to help if anything was to go wrong.

The battle was clearly in Anakins favor. Anakin has far more potential than the Count, I am not arguing that, but in ROTS Dooku was still better - and would have won if it was a fair fight.

Again overlord took the words out of my mouth. Dooku tried to defeat Anakin and Anakin won. Ani broke through Dooku's defense twice in ROTS. Once to kick him over the guard rail and again to slice off his arms.

Is this arguement still going on. First off to the guy with the so called scripts. How do you know they are actual copies and where did you get them? I hope you did not get them from supershadow.com. Cause if you did then they are fake. Also I am curious to why a discussion of this nature is on the EU board. Shouldn't it be on the prequal boards. Me and Ox argued a lot over the Dooku, Anakin and Obi-Wan fight. In the end we were forced to disagree. I do however believe the Dooku was not trying his hardest in the beginning. I have noticed something about Dooku. He likes to taunt the people he fights. We see this in AOTC and in ROTS. By the time his arrogance started to fade he was already on the defensive and soon after his hands were gone. Not to mention I would not be surprised if he had expected Sidious to help him. I believe Anakin and Obi-Wan are at about the same level as Dooku lightsaber skill wise but not force strength wise. As for Sidious's comment on having a younger and stronger apprentice, he was refering to the raw power of anakin. Not to mention he knew that if properly trained Anakin would become unstopable. He also thought that because Anakin completly trusted him that he would never betray him. So he was not worried about Anakin's power. I am not an Anakin fan. I hate the whiny punk. I do however like OT Vader.

Originally posted by Count Kent
I have recently been informed that canon is considered ultimate on these forums, and that the movies are a higher form of canon then the scripts. This means that they can come to any interpretation of the films they want, and place their opinion over the scripts based on their interpretation. You will just have to agree to disagree. The point is that they are not arguing against facts.

Not even close. Scripts are on par with the movies, minus scenes and lines that didn't make it into the film. And yes, yes they are arguing against the facts...

Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
Is this arguement still going on. First off to the guy with the so called scripts. How do you know they are actual copies and where did you get them? I hope you did not get them from supershadow.com. Cause if you did then they are fake. Also I am curious to why a discussion of this nature is on the EU board. Shouldn't it be on the prequal boards. Me and Ox argued a lot over the Dooku, Anakin and Obi-Wan fight. In the end we were forced to disagree. I do however believe the Dooku was not trying his hardest in the beginning. I have noticed something about Dooku. He likes to taunt the people he fights. We see this in AOTC and in ROTS. By the time his arrogance started to fade he was already on the defensive and soon after his hands were gone. Not to mention I would not be surprised if he had expected Sidious to help him. I believe Anakin and Obi-Wan are at about the same level as Dooku lightsaber skill wise but not force strength wise. As for Sidious's comment on having a younger and stronger apprentice, he was refering to the raw power of anakin. Not to mention he knew that if properly trained Anakin would become unstopable. He also thought that because Anakin completly trusted him that he would never betray him. So he was not worried about Anakin's power. I am not an Anakin fan. I hate the whiny punk. I do however like OT Vader.

Thankyou. 😄

Basically the Count could have won at the beginnig had he gone all out. He did manage to hold them both off with ease and had many opportunities to kill Anakin. But he decided to taunt instead of fight properly - causing Anakin to bacome to powerful for even the mighty Count to handle. At the end Dooku had basically dug himself a hole which he couldnt get out of. He should have just killed Anakin at the beginning of the battle but instead decided to make Anakin stronger. His arrogance was his downfall - not the skill of Skywalker.

Yeah, he made Anakin stronger, pretty stupid huh.. Oh wait, you have no idea what you are talking about.. Ah, damn..