yes, women were suppressed and treated as lesser beings. Not anymore and most are handling it pretty well. Let's ask a random american girl flashing her boobs or that girl there who participated in the bikini contest (yes, I watched oprah) on why they did it..
The random girl: "Because it's fun!!!!"
Although male and female brains are completely the same and have the same capabilities of expanding, some people just refuse to. And why not! If you are simple enough to gain a feeling of satisfaction in showing your body and getting attention for it or by watching simple games of sports on television wich hold nothing of value or interest except for wich of two teams win each time it's aired then why would you want to be different?!!
It's great if you are so easily amused or satisfied. The whole world should be like this!! THIS IS UTOPIA!!!
Hmm.. I think I strayed off topic again.. Oh well, I'm bored and I have the elusion that I have a world wide audience.
Woman and Man are two complementary entities intelligent or not. They can not survive one without the other. The Whatever Superior intelligence that created us. had some kind of sense of humor: " fooling us into thinking that we may be so different from each other. and to think that one gender is far more superior than the other. And getting us to bash each other to death based on our perceived physiological differences. only to realize at the end that we can not survive as a specie as only one gender without the other.
It was done that way by the superior intelligence (if you like to call it 'GOD' that is fine too) to see how intelligent we( ITS creatures) could ever become to realise that the FUNDAMENTALS of anything are way more important than its SUPERFICIALS. And that this applies to humans also.
Sadly we have been in existence as a specie for million years and we have not yet been able to truly understand that the Fundamentals are way More important than the Superficials. And that proves that our intelligence is not developed enough yet to move to a higher dimension of TRUE UNDERSTANDING.
Now! how intelligent that makes all of us feel?( Women or Men)
Intelligence is not a Static. Intelligence Is VERY DYNAMIC. And would we ever be able to make it to a higher DIMENSION of UNDERSTANDING.
Re: Were women suppressed?
Originally posted by Regret3) Women often are more than slightly capable at manipulating men into doing anything they want us to do, and again this has existed forever.
4) Women have always understood intrigue and politics better than they let on, throughout history.
Are you seriously suggesting that women were secretly manipulating men over the past couple thousand years?
Re: Re: Were women suppressed?
Originally posted by dani_california
Are you seriously suggesting that women were secretly manipulating men over the past couple thousand years?
Lol...
No.
I really like this statement I found in the wikipedia:
Debate is an aspect of argument which is distinct from logical argument, in that it encompasses aspects of human persuasion which appeal to emotional responses —often based on exaggerated or misrepresented statements or claims.
My statements were exaggerated. I made them to begin this thread, and to get a response. I do not necessarily believe that the majority of women throughout history would agree that they were being suppressed. I also do not believe that the majority of women throughout history would agree that the lives women live today is better in any way to the life that those women led.
Women should stay supressed....I need dinner when I get home. They're not intelligent enough to knwo what opression is anyway.
Honestly, one of the theories about women as "lesser" beings was this.
Women are not intelligent enough to have the mental capacity to conceptualize business, poilitics, or philosophy. Yet, it appeas they are just advanced enough to demonstrate love.
Doesnt that just make your machoistic little self all warm and fuzzy! Women are clueless, but they always like a good f**k! Seriously...you wonder where modern perceptions of women come from.
Women were not oppressed really. But I can tell you this MEN were oppressed MUCH more than women were by OTHER men!
Visit this site for a full explanation [site has other interesting info too - all people must check this out].
http://www.angryharry.com/eswerewomenoppressedinthewest.htm
This is a fairly generalized question and my generalized answer would be yes. Women have been "suppressed" though I'm not exactly sure the wording works.
There are stupid men and stupid women, in past centuries and even decades and even still today many times men get the benefit of the doubt .... but most of the radical feminist rhetoric is blah so I'll have to stick with my generalizations. YEs
it seems to have become a fashion/trend these days to bash feminists and feminism in general even though if you look at what most of them are saying with a completely unbiased waypoint{which many men think they have but very VERY few actually do, most men who support them genuinly are homosexuals and are sumwhat biased against men} most of what they say or ask for is true and just. i suppose men find a certain satistfaction in being sceptical and SMART so that they can see th flaws in what most dum women believe to be struggle for their rights, needless to say thats stupid. im not gonna say that all feminists have the best intentions of women on their mind, some dont in very developed countries but what they ask for and say even if for an agenda has more truth and righteousness than the contrary. just think about it calmly.
I think true feminists who truly wanted equality with men did exist in the 60s and 70s but now I see that feminism is MOSTLY about one thing that has been VERY successful no matter what way you look at it. To stir up hatred of "men" and the patriarchy. Feminists in the UK have no interest in the well-being of children they just want to use their programs to demonise men. There are very few TRUE feminist left. Where I come from there was survey saying 50% of all women feel they should be allowed to beat their husbands. Boppit jokes are everywhere you look.
As for women being oppressed in the generation preceding ours it has been greatly exaggerated. I am NOT AT ALL saying women were NOT oppessed because they were but they were not NEARLY as oppressed as men by OTHER men! In the World Wars the Generals used to order hundreds of infantry men to charge up the hills just to find out where enemie's weaknesses lay. There was no hope or intention that any of these soldiers would survive or be rescued. Their lives were simply expended in order to provide the General with some information that he was keen to have. It must have been simple awful for the poor soldiers who have returned in psychologically damaged states to discover that their girlfriends had cheated on them while they were away or that they had to return in such a condition that they could never get a woman or have a family.
Of course all this is conveniently forgotten especially by feminists who continue to complain about how 'oppressed' the women were. Sure they were oppressed but against the men who had to continue to live in a premanently handicapped state for the rest of their lives I feel a great deal of anger towards them.
I suppose women were oppressed most of all when Titanic sunk and men were instantly made the lowest class citizens because of chivalry.
I could go like this for hours but theres just too much to say... [ could go on about how the civilisation which women enjoy now ONLY because patriarchy existed for example]
Yes I did get these sources from Angry Harry's website. I like him am very worried because the Men's Movement IS coming and it is unstoppable! When it does I fear for feminists. I really do. They can't stop it but they can certainly reduce the backlash a little by brining their demoinisation of men and their viewpoint to a halt and becoming TRUE feminists. The best way they can reduce the sheer power of the inevitable backlash is to change their hateful viewpoint of heterosexual males pronto