NO no.......don't become anyones slave. We are all equal....Though I do believe that one should always try to please the other as long as it doesn't jeopardize what YOU are inside, and the other should do the same. If both are doing this, then things can usually work out for the best. It's when one expects MORE from the other, demanding more and more..trying to change them, then it is selfish and self centered... Even if someone wants to leave a relationship, it would be unconditional love to let them do so. Putting another first in this way is what love is imo.
Originally posted by debbiejoThis is not a statement as to my agreement with either of your views as I have a differing view that is somewhat of an amalgam of both with other considerations as well.
NO no.......don't become anyones slave. We are all equal....Though I do believe that one should always try to please the other as long as it doesn't jeopardize what YOU are inside, and the other should do the same. If both are doing this, then things can usually work out for the best. It's when one expects MORE from the other, demanding more and more..trying to change them, then it is selfish and self centered... Even if someone wants to leave a relationship, it would be unconditional love to let them do so. Putting another first in this way is what love is imo.
Equal does not necessitate the same. Roles do not need to be available to both sexes for full equallity to be maintained.
Originally posted by debbiejoNo, my wife and I are equal. But she is capable of things that I am not, and vice versa. Also, we believe, and this is something she taught me, that the gender roles typically embrace the strengths of each gender. It is only when superiority is assumed, or when roles are forced upon an individual, that such roles are harmful.
I don't recall talking to you.......................Must I go back and remember everything?? What? You superior??
lol
Originally posted by Regret
No, my wife and I are equal. But she is capable of things that I am not, and vice versa. Also, we believe, and this is something she taught me, that the gender roles typically embrace the strengths of each gender. It is only when superiority is assumed, or when roles are forced upon an individual, that such roles are harmful.
When Gender roles are forced upon a person, the harm can be great....
Originally posted by MindshipI believe this, and all other masculine women's attire, was due to the social psych concept, don't remember their label, that dealt with the Stanford prison experiment as well as the effect of uniform.
Does this mean no return of big, manlike shoulder pads in women's "suits"?
People had a long history of behaving in a certain manner towards women. When women entered the workplace they needed to provide the stimuli that gained proper respect in the workplace, hence masculine women's business attire. Over time, the attire women wear is returning to a more feminine appearance as the leadership role loses the discriminatory stimulus of being absolutely male dominated, and younger generations without the previously existing history of behaviors enters the workforce while those that held the history are leaving.
Originally posted by Regret
No, my wife and I are equal. But she is capable of things that I am not, and vice versa. Also, we believe, and this is something she taught me, that the gender roles typically embrace the strengths of each gender. It is only when superiority is assumed, or when roles are forced upon an individual, that such roles are harmful.
What evidence do you have that gender roles reflect inherent qualities in a given sex. It is one thing to embrace a gender role because you identify with it and feel, at least in the case between you and your wife, that they work to celebrate the qualities unique to each separate identities rather than denote superiority to one or the other. It is another thing if you actually believe a given sex deserves those qualities you assign it based on scientific evidence or perceptions that selected behaviors reflect inherent qualities/differences unique to a given sex. Sociology teaches that gender is socially constructed. Is there reason to believe otherwise, and to what extent?
Originally posted by m. sadeHence the "we believe" and not a "scientifically speaking"
What evidence do you have that gender roles reflect inherent qualities in a given sex. It is one thing to embrace a gender role because you identify with it and feel, at least in the case between you and your wife, that they work to celebrate the qualities unique to each separate identities rather than denote superiority to one or the other. It is another thing if you actually believe a given sex deserves those qualities you assign it based on scientific evidence or perceptions that selected behaviors reflect inherent qualities/differences unique to a given sex. Sociology teaches that gender is socially constructed. Is there reason to believe otherwise, and to what extent?
sometimes, it depends on the man.
see, submission is the form of love and dedication and loyality, even men submit to their job or boss or whatever they want in life.
the problem is FORCING someone to submit, submission is an act of love and HOW a person submits depends on their character, one female aspect of submission can be far different then another...so, it's not cool to expect all females to submit the same way...there really isn't a uniform standard on how a woman should submit, but because some men have a concept in mind based on his ego, friends, father, or mother...he may subjugate females to submit and therefore, suppress his girlfriend, coworker, ect.
Were women suppressed?