Were women suppressed?

But true? Articles don't have to be brilliantly written to tell the truth. Do you think the articles are right? Or do you not? Anyways its irrelevant. I only linked these articles to show the bigger picture and to show how feminism has blurred it and bit the very hand that fed them and payed for the world they live in now - [from a materialistic point of view - not women's rights]. that there is no denying men were more oppressed than women as a whole [the articles being evidence as well as common sense and acceptance that men are and always have been expendable].
But Women were still suppressed
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Some of these articles are just as extreme as some types of feminism... its like one extreme to the other. I read many articles that i disagreed with, where i felt like he was putting down women. I disagree, i do not think men were more suppressed then women. They both have been in different ways.

There is no doubt that men opress other men, in extreme fashion, but why oh why are you comparing it to the oppression of women? It more or less sounds like you are blaming women for man's agressive nature. Couldn't you just make a topic about how brutal men are to each other and maybe discuss how we as a species should rethink our societal behavior, rather than trying to attack feminism. I know a few feminists and while I agree some of them are man hating awkward people, there are a whole lot more who are beautifully caring and compassionate women (and men) who look at men as equals and treat them the same way they'd expect to be treated.

I think you are trying to critique and generalize a whole population of feminists. There are many different kinds (or categories) of feminists who share different ideals, so please don't lump them all together. Yes there are some feminists who can be down right nasty toward men, but that is just a fraction of the population who describe themselves as being a feminist.

Originally posted by meep-meep
There is no doubt that men opress other men, in extreme fashion, but why oh why are you comparing it to the oppression of women? It more or less sounds like you are blaming women for man's agressive nature. Couldn't you just make a topic about how brutal men are to each other and maybe discuss how we as a species should rethink our societal behavior, rather than trying to attack feminism. I know a few feminists and while I agree some of them are man hating awkward people, there are a whole lot more who are beautifully caring and compassionate women (and men) who look at men as equals and treat them the same way they'd expect to be treated.

I think you are trying to critique and generalize a whole population of feminists. There are many different kinds (or categories) of feminists who share different ideals, so please don't lump them all together. Yes there are some feminists who can be down right nasty toward men, but that is just a fraction of the population who describe themselves as being a feminist.

wonderfully said

How am I blaming women for men's aggression? Thats not exactly what I said [blaming women]. In case you haven't got it yet I am not against women in anyway at all but it seems you will attack me in anyway possible. I never had that intention to show that which [though it is true that certain radical forms of feminism are indeed responsible for men's aggressive nature in a variety of ways]you said but if I have I am sorry and beg you to explain HOW I made such an impression.
You are right that I blame feminist because the only feminism that has any large scale affect nowadays is extreme feminism. Boys doing badly at school due to their not allowed to be men and men being demonised constantly in the media and having virtually no chance of succes in child custody to name a few:
http://www.angryharry.com/nobenefitsoffeminism.htm
Yes this biased and women aggressive but it is dam true when you put 2 and 2 together.
Yes there are feminsms that have been good for women helping them achieve the rights they deserve but no longer. The majority of feminism is benefiting women at the expense of men and this is not acceptable. Its almost as if this generation of men who are being brought up to like dolls are being blamed for the evils of their male ancestors. Unacceptable.
I am not going to be all nice about this. Being nice doesn't work. I don't hate women and I want them to be happy and successful in the world as much as men but I made a decision to no longer suffer political correctness and radical feminism and other feminisms that promote emasculation of men and a great many other problems for BOTH genders.
this shows how feminism has effected our world.
And naturally I welcome critism but can you please add some example or quality evidence to back them up? I am not focused on being right about everything I say I just want what anyone wants - a world that benefits men AND women as equally as possible devoid of highly destructive political correctness and extreme feminism

Originally posted by Akira99
How am I blaming women for men's aggression? Thats not exactly what I said [blaming women]. In case you haven't got it yet I am not against women in anyway at all but it seems you will attack me in anyway possible. I never had that intention to show that which [though it is true that certain radical forms of feminism are indeed responsible for men's aggressive nature in a variety of ways]you said but if I have I am sorry and beg you to explain HOW I made such an impression.
You are right that I blame feminist because the only feminism that has any large scale affect nowadays is extreme feminism. Boys doing badly at school due to their not allowed to be men and men being demonised constantly in the media and having virtually no chance of succes in child custody to name a few:
http://www.angryharry.com/nobenefitsoffeminism.htm
Yes this biased and women aggressive but it is dam true when you put 2 and 2 together.
Yes there are feminsms that have been good for women helping them achieve the rights they deserve but no longer. The majority of feminism is benefiting women at the expense of men and this is not acceptable. Its almost as if this generation of men who are being brought up to like dolls are being blamed for the evils of their male ancestors. Unacceptable.
I am not going to be all nice about this. Being nice doesn't work. I don't hate women and I want them to be happy and successful in the world as much as men but I made a decision to no longer suffer political correctness and radical feminism and other feminisms that promote emasculation of men and a great many other problems for BOTH genders.
this shows how feminism has effected our world.
And naturally I welcome critism but can you please add some example or quality evidence to back them up? I am not focused on being right about everything I say I just want what anyone wants - a world that benefits men AND women as equally as possible devoid of highly destructive political correctness and extreme feminism

I'm not "attacking" you. I'm just telling you it's not very smart to generalize feminists, which you are doing. If you wan tto talk about feminists who I despise, let's talk about liberal feminists. But dear god don't you talk about socialist feminists...I will have to kill you, you see. 😉

Why don't you give us examples of certain feminists who emasculate men, and discuss what kind of feminist they describe themselves as?

Like I said before I know a few feminists. For the most part I have rather enlightening conversations with them. And not one of them has done anything to make me feel emasculated. Even the stupid man hating ones. They just look at me, act awkward, say something stupid and walk away. You may need to develop some thicker skin.

Originally posted by mysticpeach
wonderfully said

I give up. Theres nothing I can say that will explain myself fluently enough [I'm currently just not smart enough to make my points]. That and the fact that most people around here are idiots who only accept what they want to here and not the truth. Its like the goddam matrix - no-one wants to accept the truth.
And I must have been half-asleep when I said there were some feminists who actually did good. Maybe there are some feminists who BELIEVE they are doing good because they are sheepishly followers of powerful influential feminists so I am not directly attacking them as people. Fact is if you used any common sense you would see that feminism has benefited society, Men OR Women in NO WAY AT ALL. Science, Technology and Men are to thank for women's liberation. Feminism is a self-destructive policy that has like Political Correctness only negative [highly influential] effects society.
I would love to spend hours giving you the examples and logic seeing as you are all too thick to work it out for yourselves. Its all on that site and you can say what you want to say but it holds the truth. The articles may seem biased but they are linked to other articles on the site as it is so hard to include everything in one article [not that any of you have presented any groundbreaking arguments anyway - silly, random and seemingly instantly thought-out [or not] comments are the thing here]. So its your choice. Read it or don't Doesn't change the fact that The Men's Movement is cometh. Nothing can stop it. Men will universally learn to see themselves as Men and take back the Power feminsism sapped from them and strike out with a backlash the world has never seen and god-help any of you who are not prepared for it. I'll say no more on this topic but I will reply to PMs etc. based on the assumption they are not abusive and that you have actually bothered to read those dam articles and provide some solid arguments etc. Its all there on that site and I [and all other people] need all the practice I can get!

Originally posted by Akira99
I give up. Theres nothing I can say that will explain myself fluently enough [I'm currently just not smart enough to make my points]. That and the fact that most people around here are idiots who only accept what they want to here and not the truth. Its like the goddam matrix - no-one wants to accept the truth.
And I must have been half-asleep when I said there were some feminists who actually did good. Maybe there are some feminists who BELIEVE they are doing good because they are sheepishly followers of powerful influential feminists so I am not directly attacking them as people. Fact is if you used any common sense you would see that feminism has benefited society, Men OR Women in NO WAY AT ALL. Science, Technology and Men are to thank for women's liberation. Feminism is a self-destructive policy that has like Political Correctness only negative [highly influential] effects society.
I would love to spend hours giving you the examples and logic seeing as you are all too thick to work it out for yourselves. Its all on that site and you can say what you want to say but it holds the truth. The articles may seem biased but they are linked to other articles on the site as it is so hard to include everything in one article [not that any of you have presented any groundbreaking arguments anyway - silly, random and seemingly instantly thought-out [or not] comments are the thing here]. So its your choice. Read it or don't Doesn't change the fact that The Men's Movement is cometh. Nothing can stop it. Men will universally learn to see themselves as Men and take back the Power feminsism sapped from them and strike out with a backlash the world has never seen and god-help any of you who are not prepared for it. I'll say no more on this topic but I will reply to PMs etc. based on the assumption they are not abusive and that you have actually bothered to read those dam articles and provide some solid arguments etc. Its all there on that site and I [and all other people] need all the practice I can get!

hey man don't blame us just cause you aren't articulate enough to defend your bigoted point of view. sure some men helped women's rights but women had to do much of it themselves. You speak about political correctness like it's a bad thing. it's not. there is nothng wrong with respecting other people. the problem comes when people become over-sensitive which can be caused by political correctness, but the idea itself is good. i know why some people dislike feminism and how it can be kinda obnoxious, but the truth is it's still needed. the concept of gender still exhists which restricts women's opportnities. how can you possibly criticize those who simply want everyone to be treated fairly?

Anyone good with riddles?

Originally posted by Akira99
...The Men's Movement is cometh. Nothing can stop it. Men will universally learn to see themselves as Men and take back the Power feminsism sapped from them and strike out with a backlash the world has never seen and god-help any of you who are not prepared for it...

I gotta say you sound just as radical as the crazy people you critique.
like I said before you need thicker skin. Otherwise you'll likely lose all your hair at a young age.

Well I gotta say that you have a habit of making assuptions about people you've never met based on their arguments - thicker skin, me being radical etc. I'm just telling what is coming - I really do fear the outcome as it will not be pretty is all. Ok that really IS the last thing I'll say on this topic before people make even uglier assumptions about me or anyone else who sees the truth

Fact all the way.

Very clever. You must be wetting yourself with delight 🤨

I thought that I would post in response to Akira's posts.

I do not necessarily believe the instigating post I made to start this thread. I posted it to get a decent discussion of the concept of suppression, particularly the suppression of women, and it achieved the purpose I had intended. I do not want to be lumped in as agreeing with everything that people say in agreement with my posts, although some few points I consider possibly valid.

I tired of the discussion and have not returned in quite a while, but I like the fact that it continues. Have fun.

To kikass: please don't post stupid f-ing posts...

hold up.....women f******** rock, they'r just suppressed by all this stuff

what...

well, what an interesting thread here. Now I am going to share my views on this issue and it may stir some people up! I believe that women are so to speak lower than men. We were put here to stand by our men to listen to them, to basically care for their every needs (NOT in a bad way!) Men are supposed to do things for us, don't get me wrong I just think God put women here to help men, not rise above them in revolt! I hate womens rights people they annoy me so bad! I think the women should all stop complaining and continue to cook, clean, and etc for their men. But that is just what I think! 😉 And I am a women haha!

OH MY GOD!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

*Shakes Phoebe*