How Many People Here Have Seriously Contemplated Suicide?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, in cases of extreme sensations your instincts and reflexes take over. the same way you cant put your hand on a red hot metal rod intentionally, your reflexes will jerk it away, it isnt choice.

It is actually. And you can. You just need discipline. That you don't know that alone should be indication to everyone that you are talking out of your ass.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yup they can be, but when it gets TOO MUCH, they do it. to do it when it gets too much for their ability to manage the pain, ISNT their choice then. its instincts and reflexes taking over. depression is a mental disease which can take away rationality and reasoning and force one to commit suicide.

No, they just choose the easier way at that point. It's not cowardly to do so, but it is a choice. They are not forced to do it. It is just really, really hard not to because the depression is so strong. I think your points insult all the people suffering from depression that are able to not choose suicide.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dunno. maybe because i can still, at some level, understand or will myself to understand that suicide actually doesnt solve the problem/s that i have and actually makes them worse. sumthing which i can not accept as of yet. other times, i just got lucky i suppose with not having the approproate conditions around me to attempt it.

Right. Because there are not multiple ways of killing yourself almost everywhere. You chose not to kill yourself. But it was your decision. Stop downplaying personal responsibility.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont be stup[id, when you are being put through the hell that sum people go theough, it really isnt, it is releif that your body forces you to acheive.

No. It is relieve that your mind chooses to take.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you seem to have very little empathy

So?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^no, it is a FORCED CHOICE. there is a difference. you didnt go out of your way to do sumthing based on PREFERANCE. forced choice= no choice.

i.e choose to kill your uncle or choose to kill your aunt. its your choice and you have to choose one. oh right i choose my uncle.

judge: YOU "CHOSE" TO KILL YOUR UNCLE, HENCE I SENTENCE YOU TO LIFE IN PRISON!!!!

doesnt work that way. it isnt really choice.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^no, it is a FORCED CHOICE. there is a difference. you didnt go out of your way to do sumthing based on PREFERANCE. forced choice= no choice.

i.e choose to kill your uncle or choose to kill your aunt. its your choice and you have to choose one. oh right i choose my uncle.

judge: YOU "CHOSE" TO KILL YOUR UNCLE, HENCE I SENTENCE YOU TO LIFE IN PRISON!!!!

doesnt work that way. it isnt really choice.

Your analogy is flawed and your getting away from the issue of suicide.

BTW, if someone forces you to kill someone, you aren't necessarily liable for murder, the person who forced you to commit the crime is.

Possibly one of the most troubling, funny and stupid lines of debate I've ever seen. 'Suicide isn't a choice', does that sound even vaguely logical in your head leon?

Did you ever see the "I could make myself gay, if I wanted to" line?

Sounds like an absolute gem, I'll have to track it down.

[i]Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, it is a FORCED CHOICE.

No one is forced to kill themselves.

Yes.

I'm not ashamed.

I wouldn't be eithor, I actually think everyone contemplates it once in their lives...

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, the thing is that people that say it is cowardice.......ARE WRONG.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well, there are no absolutes, but by and large, I think it is.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's just such a ridiculous view point. How is it cowardly to do that which 95% of all humans are most afraid of?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Because it's an easy exit form the hardships of life.

Originally posted by Bardock42
In the same way going to the dentist is an easy exit from the hardship of tooth pain. Yeah. Your point?

Death, however, is a little more final than tooth pain.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Death, however, is a little more final than tooth pain.

I'm not saying that every person committing suicide should get a medal (they'd likely have no use for it anyways), but it isn't really an extremely cowardly thing to do. It does kinda take balls to make such a final, uncertain decision.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah. It's the ultimate cure.

I'm not saying that every person committing suicide should get a medal (they'd likely have no use for it anyways), but it isn't really an extremely cowardly thing to do. It does kinda take balls to make such a final, uncertain decision.

Originally posted by Strangelove
No one commits suicide to see what will happen, though. They do it because they want to escape. There's nothing noble in throwing your life away and inflicting limitless pain on your friends and family.

Think about it this way, you have two ways to go one path is called the unknown death killer horrible trail and the other the endless pain forever raped in the ass lane...now, one might be less frightening than the other. But to call someone for taking either a coward is a bit out of line.

And yeah, there's nothing noble about it. There's not necessarily something cowardly about it either though.

When people are suicidal, they often mistakenly believe that they are doing their friends and relatives a favour by taking themselves out of the world, and these irrational beliefs also drive their behavior.

Alright, fine. Cowardice is the wrong word.

Idiotic and selfish work, though.