The Joker vs. Spider-man

Originally posted by batdude123
Why can't you understand that the Joker is smart as hell? He has outsmarted Slade, Lex Luthor, etc. before.

Simple because he aint. Basically youre arguing that the Joker is "smart as hell" because he OUTSMARTED Luthor and at the same time you guys are claiming that Joker OUTSMARTING Luthor is not PIS because the Joker is "smart as hell".

You are arguing in circles. This is what you call a logical fallacy.

Thats why im asking for some outside confirmation that the Joker is indeed a genius. Something from his history that would prove that he is indeed smart enough to outwit a certified genius on the level of Lex Luthor.

Originally posted by Templares
Simple because he aint. Basically youre arguing that the Joker is [B]"smart as hell" because he OUTSMARTED Luthor and at the same time you guys are claiming that Joker OUTSMARTING Luthor is not PIS because the Joker is "smart as hell".

You are arguing in circles. This is what you call a logical fallacy.

Thats why im asking for some outside confirmation that the Joker is indeed a genius. Something from his history that would prove that he is indeed smart enough to outwit a certified genius on the level of Lex Luthor. [/B]

Because in the past, not only has he outsmarted Lex, but he's also outsmarted the likes of Slade as well. People like Ra's Al Guhl have taken notice to his intellect. Why would he ask for his know how and help if you was a dunce? That's what I'm getting at. He has got plenty of feats in the past that put him on that level. He demonstrates it in comics all the time. How could he have been a global threat so many times if he wasn't a genius?

Thats not what im looking for.

Im looking for confirmation outside a hero/villain confrontation

Take Luthor for example. Even before he tangled with superman or the JLA, he was already hailed as a genius and he showed this by building a link to the planet Krypton as a teen, in addition to starting Lexcorp. His later feats against Supes and other heroes is just a natural continuation of his character.

Joker's non-villain history doesnt support the claim that he is some special genius.

you say luthor is a genious yet joker has punked him more then once...........he made something that infected half the world and almost killed it....including luthor......plus doomsday even solomon grundy........he almost killed supes and almost caused him to commit murder, he defeated one of the greatest criminal masterminds hush, he found out how to use the philosophy stone in minutes when luthor took months and didnt find out how to use it...........ra's al ghoul turns to him for help and ra's al ghuoul is very smart.........he put slade down for a while with prep........has venom that affected WW...........the spectre is to scared to get into his head cause he might go crazy himself, his insanity effected a being like spectre who is not even cosmic but devine nature in DCU,.......what else almost killed the entire UN.......yeah he's not so smart just a guy with paint on his face who's cause more probs then luthor himself.......yup not smart at all............yuppppppppp lol

and you say luthor is a genius yet he had to team up with the joker

Joker wins this especially if mark hammill is the voice 🙂

there something spider-man have and joker doesen't have and that is LUCK

Originally posted by Legion of Doom
there something spider-man have and joker doesen't have and that is LUCK

You mean what Peter likes to call the old parker luck...and generaly its bad.

Yeah, but that parker luck usually affects him around his personal life(girls, work, relatives, money problem, etc). his combat luck is quite different eg. SvFL, hulk getting KTFO by a cement truck, Juggs getting trapped in a cement, etc.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yeah, but that parker luck usually affects him around his personal life(girls, work, relatives, money problem, etc). his combat luck is quite different eg. SvFL, hulk getting KTFO by a cement truck, Juggs getting trapped in a cement, etc.

Juggs getting trapped in cement was luck, Hulk getting Ko'ed by a cement truck is just PIS.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Juggs getting trapped in cement was luck, Hulk getting Ko'ed by a cement truck is just PIS.

dude, i'd go for Juggs getting trapped by cement even a more bigger PIS than the truck falling down on hulks head. There's absolutely no reason why a class 100 would just go down like that. Hulk's defeat is also nigh PIS, but not as big as that.

Anyway, PIS to fight of PIS feats i always say. Joker has bigger but Spider-man can contend.

Originally posted by Mider
you say luthor is a genious yet joker has punked him more then once...........he made something that infected half the world and almost killed it....including luthor......plus doomsday even solomon grundy........he almost killed supes and almost caused him to commit murder, he defeated one of the greatest criminal masterminds hush, he found out how to use the philosophy stone in minutes when luthor took months and didnt find out how to use it...........ra's al ghoul turns to him for help and ra's al ghuoul is very smart.........he put slade down for a while with prep........has venom that affected WW...........the spectre is to scared to get into his head cause he might go crazy himself, his insanity effected a being like spectre who is not even cosmic but devine nature in DCU,.......what else almost killed the entire UN.......yeah he's not so smart just a guy with paint on his face who's cause more probs then luthor himself.......yup not smart at all............yuppppppppp lol

Joker's non-villain/background history doesnt support the claim that he is some special genius. Thats why his "intelligence feats" against Luthor, Slade, Ra's etc. are pure PIS.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
dude, i'd go for Juggs getting trapped by cement even a more bigger PIS than the truck falling down on hulks head. There's absolutely no reason why a class 100 would just go down like that. Hulk's defeat is also nigh PIS, but not as big as that.

Anyway, PIS to fight of PIS feats i always say. Joker has bigger but Spider-man can contend.

I dunno there was 40 feet of wet cement causing him to sink pretty fast and at the bottom he wouldnt have alot of leverage to use his strength, i think it made sense if he couldnt move, or at least couldnt move alot and had to make enough room for him to break out.

its PIS why cause you say so? its not PIS when the guy demonstates genious level over and over and over and over did spiderman demonstrage climbing up walls before he got bitten by a spider, joker was a totally diffrent person after he went insane its not PIS its just that he became diffrent and more smart its known to happen if you apply yourself you know he's nuts who the hell can be that nuts in just one night yet he did become that crazy its not PIS sorry he'd done stuff like that MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY times its not pis

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Spider-man has face bigger threats than the joker. He has faced opponents on multiple occassions who had one-sided prep against him, which were generally more dangerous than joker and still trumped. This is some joker-friendly board seriously.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Green Goblin, Tracer, Kraven, Dr. Octopus, The Sinister Six(as a whole), Jackal & carrion, the jury, Shatra, etc.

it dont matter thanos with intelligence has fought off people who are alot bigger then he is, inbetweener, plenty of elders, and such if joker defeats spiderman its PIS but you dont think thaons beating inbetweener is PIS? Spiderman will go down, slade has trouble with joker, so does WW, and spiderman will beat him yeah right

Originally posted by who?-kid
Joker is an overrated skinny man who should be dead a long time ago. Spider-Man is one of the top heroes in the Marvel Universe for a reason.

Anybody who thinks Joker will win, is fooling himself. I have no problem admitting that the Joker with prep time will give Spider-Man a run for his money, but Spider-Man has faced much greater challenges than "the Joker."

See? This is why I consider you to be awesome, my friend. Because you are smart and know what you're talking about. Kudos to you.

Why can't there be more like you?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
See? This is why I consider you to be awesome, my friend. Because you are smart and know what you're talking about. Kudos to you.

Why can't there be more like you?

Oh and give my regards to Colossus (one of the few characters Spider-Man really can't beat... too tough, no weaknesses.... damn lol).

Originally posted by who?-kid
Well thanks buddy, it's always nice when somebody appreciates you...

Oh and give my regards to Colossus (one of the few characters Spider-Man really can't beat... too tough, no weaknesses.... damn lol).

Hahahaha...can do, my friend. Caaaaan do.

But you're right though. There really are a select few characters with no existing weaknesses that Spidey has the ability to exploit. Colossus would be one of those, heh.

I think the biggest piece of respect Joker can get is that he is the only man Lex Luthor is afraid of. Lex isn't scared of Batman, Superman or Darkseid, but he is the Joker.

Doesn't that tell you something?