Originally posted by Juntai
In a different sense as well. Pheonix is the spark of Creation, not the creator. Micheal and Lucifer if applied to this equation .. .are the creators of the spark and the will to bring creation into existance. Micheal and Lucifer proceeded everything else. God decided to have a creation, and thus he created Micheal and Lucifer to build it.
Phoenix created Multiverse and Abstracts.
Originally posted by Juntai
In a different sense as well. Pheonix is the spark of Creation, not the creator. Micheal and Lucifer if applied to this equation .. .are the creators of the spark and the will to bring creation into existance. Micheal and Lucifer proceeded everything else. God decided to have a creation, and thus he created Micheal and Lucifer to build it.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Applaud to you, man. Wow.
Thanks.
Originally posted by Xplosive
You even gave LT who was shown to be kneeling before Phoenix (when Stranger wanted to use the power of PF through Jean and than Eternity showed what would happen).
The Living Tribunal is the Ultimate Judge and Executioner of the Marvel Multiverse, no power greater than his except for TOAA.
:note & advice:
Becareful with Phoenix fanboys around here, who throw up a scan or two(which you singularly pointed out)then proceed to misinterpret the scan with extensive explanations with an ends to a personal agenda.
Originally posted by Xplosive
No one can do shit to PF, with exception of TOAA (and that only counts if TOAA is trully Almighty God).TOAA is "GOD" and does exist, and I have the scans, and I will post them for you if you wish.
[QUOTE=6730851]Originally posted by Xplosive
[B]Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is nothing to PF and would be no threat (actully IG also exist because of PF).
Ok just tell me what it is that Phoenix can do, that the Magus or Thanos or Warlock cannot do with the Gauntlet?
Cause I'll give you a heads up:
FACT!
An INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet Gauntlet can turn the nullification energies back on the person using the Ultimate Nullifier.
-reference- Infinity War
:note:
(The Ultimate Nullifier can Destroy and Remake the ENTIRE Multiverse in the blink of an eye). (just had to point that out)...
-reference- FF Abraxas arc
An INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet can remake a universe, and YES, the Infinity Gauntlet DOES WORK outside the 616 universe contrary to ignorant beliefs.
-reference- Infinity War
Originally posted by Xplosive
How can you give Ultimate Nullifier beyond PF (Ultimate Nullifier)?
The Ultimate Nullifier can Destroy and Remake the ENTIRE Multiverse in the blink of an eye!
What has Phoenix done to trump that?
She's the spark in creation not the CREATOR my friend, while the UN remakes the Multiverse according to the wielder's wishes.
Her biggest feats are repairing the Lattice of the M'kraan Crystal(with the help of some X-Men but who's counting)
And remaking the 616 universe in her hands.
Got anything else do tell.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Abtracts you mentioned exist because of PF.
Uhh the Multiversal Abstracts of Eternity-Infinity and Death do not exist because of Phoenix, perhaps the Universal Concepts, since she can mold the 616 Universe. But she's never created a Multiverse.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Mr Master, do you know what PF is? Do you know who White Crown of the Phoenix is?
I know exactly who the Phoenix Force is, do you?
Phoenix remade the 616 Universe.
now
Wanda collapsed the Multiverse.
The Ultimate Nullifier Destroyed and Remade the Multiverse.
An Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet reverted the Nullification Energies BACK on the wielder of the Ultimate Nullifier.
The Living Tribunal's ruling stopped the gems from being able to be combined as one.
Thanos with THOU absorbed the Living Tribunal.
The Abstract Death could not be absorbed by Thanos.
5 Cosmic Cubes created a Duplicate of the 616 Universe.
Unicron can absorb Universes.
Pre-retcon Beyonder and pre-retcon Molecule Man could both destroy the Multiverse
The Goblin Force is the other opposite of the Phoenix Force as is the Fallen
and Atleza HOLDS in place our Universe in the Cosmic Vortex, this is a place where Universes are being sucked into the Void, it's gravitational pull is incalculable, she does this without any effort, as a matter of fact she doesn't even know she's doing it, thats how much power is emanating from her.
So you see when you look at it from a microscope, it begins to look like more than just the PF who can affect Universes or Multiverses or the ever bravado "ALL that is"
well id like to clear something up for your mr master LT is not the second greatest being in the multiverse, he recently lost to reed richards, before that he was defied by dr strange, he was also scared of by korvac many make the excuse that he dont need to prove his power thats a very lame thing since even the presance in DC steps in when things get that bad, korvac ended up killing an entire universe with the ultimate nullifier and the LT did nothing and said he could do nothing else, you know the LT rules what ever comic he comes out in he is there, also can you tell me exactly where it says the entire multiverse was recreated in the abraxas saga, and are the IG feats your mention current cause the IG's feats have been reconned to my understanding to be only limited to one universe. and it was never proven that LT stoped the gems under his own power adam warlock himself fixed the mind gem so it wouldnt be able to be used to its full potential how did he do this, cause he's a cosmic and is stronger then the gem no, because it was in his possession and it obayed him, LT himself stated when he met warlock he wasnt sure if he could take on the IG.
Look, you don't know shit. PF saved all existence.
It was enough when you gave LT beyond PF. You think I haven't read, only read scans. You don't know shit.
LT was kneeling before Phoenix. Eternity came and said that mustn't happen, it is inevitible when PF will destroy everything and than create everything again (said by Eternity himself).
That pretty much say everything.
And LT is actully pathetic.
Originally posted by Mider
well id like to clear something up for your mr master LT is not the second greatest being in the multiverse, he recently lost to reed richards, before that he was defied by dr strange,
Issues please I'd like to get story myself and see what your talking about.
Originally posted by Mider
he was also scared of by korvac
Show me the exact quote and page where it says Living Tribunal was scared in anyway, please do.
Originally posted by Mider
many make the excuse that he dont need to prove his power thats a very lame thing since even the presance in DC steps in when things get that bad, korvac ended up killing an entire universe with the ultimate nullifier and the LT did nothing and said he could do nothing else, you know the LT rules what ever comic he comes out in he is there,
I'm not gonna get into a "What if" debate since I don't even really consider it valid.
What ifs, --- where Wolverine can KILL Silver Srufer, LOL.
But the FACT is that the Living Tribunal SEALED Korvac off from the rest of reality, and Korvac can't escape.
That tells me Living Tribunal is more powerful than Korvac.
Originally posted by Mider
also can you tell me exactly where it says the entire multiverse was recreated in the abraxas saga,
Won't just tell you, will show you.
FF v3 #49
Reed Richards Uses the Nullifier to Destroy and Remake the Multiverse.
He Destroys the Multiversal Abstracts Eternity and Infinity and Remakes them as he wishes, in the blink of an eye.
Originally posted by Mider
and are the IG feats your mention current cause the IG's feats have been reconned to my understanding to be only limited to one universe.
Very much Canon.
Infinity War series
Originally posted by Mider
and it was never proven that LT stoped the gems under his own power
Not proven?
What more proof you want, Eternity appeared and said the Living Tribunal's Judgement was that Infinity Gems could not be combined again no matter what the crisis.
During the Infinity War(which I recomend you read)the Magus say's "his judgement is keeping the gems from working in unison." on the Tribunal.
Originally posted by Mider
LT himself stated when he met warlock he wasnt sure if he could take on the IG.
Your incorrect about this friend,
Living Tribunal and Adam both NEW that a confrontation would lay waste to that reality.
What are you talking about "he wasnt sure if he could take on the IG,"
where'd you get that from?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed Richards Uses the Nullifier to Destroy and Remake the Multiverse.
He Destroys the Multiversal Abstracts Eternity and Infinity and Remakes them as he wishes, in the blink of an eye.
Here Reed uses the Nullifier to KILL Abraxas, Destroy the Multiverse and to REMAKE the Multiverse back to it's origin before Abraxas made it a madhouse.
Firing the UN.
i got it from the comic what do you mean where did i get it from, and sealing korvac doesnt mean anything, korvac did a similar thing didnt he? and you really think he was more powerful you think that proves it leaving order and chaos to die, and you should take any and all LT apperances as canon since there is only one LT less you wanna debate that even though thats what marvel claims, and how long has it been since infinity war? even darkseid said the IG didnt work in another universe or whatever universe he was in at the time, LT said in what if korvac made pawns of the avengers or whatever the title was has korvac grown beyond my judgement and blah blah blah, and in last planet standing was where he was taken out by reed richards i dont have a scanner.
i dont see no show of power from LT taking the gems mr master he told adam that it would destroy the universe if they fought thats it, then adam didnt want that so he gave the gems up, no where did i see that he said IM NOT GIVING THEM UP and LT saying OH YEAH SMACK and then taking them, maybe your perspective is diffrent.
Originally posted by Mider
i got it from the comic what do you mean where did i get it from,
We must be reading different versions of the same comic book.
I just posted the scans where Living Tribunal and Adam both knew the outcome of the fight before it even started, and Living Tribunal Judged against Adam even while Adam had the FULL power of the Gauntlet.
Originally posted by Mider
and sealing korvac doesnt mean anything, korvac did a similar thing didnt he? and you really think he was more powerful you think that proves it leaving order and chaos to die, and you should take any and all LT apperances as canon since there is only one LT less you wanna debate that even though thats what marvel claims,
What if's are rediculous, and Korvac was amped up in that series too, and Korvac RAN away from the Ultimate nullifier prior to this, but afterwards he has a weapon that can remake the Multiverse, and even with all that, the Living Tribunal sealed off that reality to the point that when Korvac fired the UN, it only Destroyed himself and that insane reality.
Bottom Line.
The Living Tribunal off the universe. Korvac can't leave it, why didn't he break through if he was more powerful than LT?
Korvac destroyed that universe, along with himself, by using the Ultimate Nullifier. Yet the weapon can remake the Multiverse. Living Tribunal wwas the cause of this.
Originally posted by Mider
and how long has it been since infinity war? even darkseid said the IG didnt work in another universe or whatever universe he was in at the time,
Cossovers, hate em, you shouldn't take them to serious.
But the fact is the IG, INCOMPLETE I might add, has been used outside the 616 reality. REMADE a Universe from outside the 616 Reality.
Darkseid said this, well I never claimed the IG was beyond the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Mider
LT said in what if korvac made pawns of the avengers or whatever the title was has korvac grown beyond my judgement and blah blah blah,
Again with the What ifs, where Wolverine can kill the Silver Surfer
Puck has defeated Hercules, What if's are a joke. If that your key arguement I can't keep up.
Originally posted by Mider
and in last planet standing was where he was taken out by reed richards i dont have a scanner.
How?
mr masters you know the LT's rules if he appears in any comic its not alternate verion of him its him, and korvac focused on eternity not the multiverse when he was gonna destroy the universe, and so what if he was amped up, he was more powerful then eternity he could have defeated the LT i believe he didnt even want to, and they both knew the outcome of the fight doesnt that sounds to me like adam was saying well we both knew id give these up.