Lucifer hits the Gauntlet !!!

Originally posted by Mider
i dont see no show of power from LT taking the gems mr master he told adam that it would destroy the universe if they fought thats it, then adam didnt want that so he gave the gems up, no where did i see that he said IM NOT GIVING THEM UP and LT saying OH YEAH SMACK and then taking them, maybe your perspective is diffrent.

What it REALLY doesn't SHOW is what you claimed Living Tribunal said,

"LT himself stated when he met warlock he wasnt sure if he could take on the IG."

Please show me where it say's that.

I never said what you just rambled about,

"no where did i see that he said IM NOT GIVING THEM UP and LT saying OH YEAH SMACK and then taking them"

The hell are you talking about?

You said,
"LT himself stated when he met warlock he wasnt sure if he could take on the IG."

I proved that's not true.

Living Tribunal Judge against Adam and Adam submitted to the Judgement.

Like they BOTH ALWAYS knew he would.

Their confrontation would have "lay waste to this reality", now Living Tribunal Judged the IG never to be assembled again, and as I already proved his Judgement stood.

So if he can control them from being united, he has power over them, but it would'of taken him destroying that Universe to prove that to Warlock.

you didnt prove anything mr masters you proved that the LT didnt want a fight cause it would destroy the universe, and adam gave up the gems he never did anything to adam to forciably take them, submitting isnt the same thing as being forced one submits to his boss at work that dont mean you cant go up and smack him, you say this and that about LT when has he ever shown a good feat, you havent proven anything and i saw the scans where he said that he didnt know if he could defeat the IG GS has them i believe

Originally posted by Xplosive
Look, you don't know shit. PF saved all existence.

What I don't know is where and when did Phoenix CREATE a Multiverse?

Still haven't answered that one buddy, what? waiting for gs?, he's gonna tell you that fantasy doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Xplosive
It was enough when you gave LT beyond PF. You think I haven't read, only read scans. You don't know shit.

Still put him above her,

And I still don't know where and when did Phoenix CREATE a Multiverse?

Originally posted by Xplosive
LT was kneeling before Phoenix. Eternity came and said that mustn't happen, it is inevitible when PF will destroy everything and than create everything again (said by Eternity himself).
That pretty much say everything.

But it's not saying WHERE and WHEN Phoenix CREATED a Multiverse?

The Ultimate Nullifier can DESTROY and REMAKE the Multiverse, I posted the scan already.

an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet can reverse the Nullification Energies back on it's wielder,

Living Tribunal judged the Infnity Gauntlet never to be assemgle again,
Magus ""his judgement is keeping the gems from working in unison." on Tribunal.

So Tribunal has power over the IG, which is more powerful than the UN, which can Destroy and Remake the Multiverse.

Originally posted by Mider
you didnt prove anything mr masters you proved that the LT didnt want a fight cause it would destroy the universe, and adam gave up the gems he never did anything to adam to forciably take them, submitting isnt the same thing as being forced one submits to his boss at work that dont mean you cant go up and smack him, you say this and that about LT when has he ever shown a good feat, you havent proven anything and i saw the scans where he said that he didnt know if he could defeat the IG GS has them i believe

Your funny wish that analogy,

I never said he took them forcibly or not,

My arguement was that he DID KNOW how he would do against the Gauntlet.

Here Adam let's him know how powrful he is, and still Tribunal Judges against him, this must mean He knows He can defeat Adam but yes, it would take Destroying that Universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your funny wish that analogy,

I never said he took them forcibly or not,

My arguement was that he DID KNOW how he would do against the Gauntlet.

Here Adam let's him know how powrful he is, and still Tribunal Judges against him, this must mean He knows He can defeat Adam but yes, it would take Destroying that Universe.

How does the Tribunal respond to that.

your just putting words where they dont belong, adam might have just been pointing to the fact that he knew he'd give them up or that the universe would be destroyed in the fight for the sake of the universe not in fear of the LT

Originally posted by Mider
your just putting words where they dont belong, adam might have just been pointing to the fact that he knew he'd give them up or that the universe would be destroyed in the fight for the sake of the universe not in fear of the LT

That's something you can't prove.

Your interpretation is willfully ignoring on panel art, and character statements.

Warlock warns Tribunal about how powerful he is and Tribunal still JUDGES againt him.

Tribunal Judges against the Gauntlet being able to work together and so his Judment stood.

How much clearer do you want it to be, or do you have something personal against the LT?

1) Charon and Lawbringers from Negation (Crossgen Comics)- Can he singlehandedly defeat the entire Negation Empire?
Yes

2) Thanos with Classic IG plus Marvel cosmics- Lucifer enters Marvel Universe 616 where Thanos is God of that Reality. Can Lucifer defeat Thanos who will be allied with Galactus, Chaos and Order, Mistress Death, The Stranger, Love and Hate, and all the Celestials combined?
Yes

3) Abraxis with Ultamate Nullifiers Let's say Abraxis at full power with copies of Ultamate Nullifiers at his disposal. Can he delete Lucifer in battle, or will Lucifer come out on top?
Question is, will Ultimate Nullifier work on him?

4) The Disciple, Zera, Mammon, the Forgotten Ones, Abdiel, and the Man of Miracles- Can Lucifer defeat these entities from Spawn combined?
Yes

5) Kali and Urizen - at thier full power, both are above Death. Urizen devours spiritual energy, all kinds of spiritual energy, he has the ability to kill the imagination. Kali is the Goddess of Death and Destruction, the cycle of life and death, no God or Demon has ever beaten her yet. Will Lucifer be the first?
Perhaps

6) Bloodlusted Spectre Spectre is fkn furious and has a bone to pick with Lucifer. Is there any way Lucifer can neutralize Spectre, and if so, how?
More than likely hes above normal DC God

7) Combined Forces of Heaven, Hell,and Greeworld- If Lucifer defeats round 4, let's say thier resurrected.....excluding God, Satan, and Urizen.......can Lucifer defeat the combined might of both Heaven and Hell together? This would include Spawn (any age), Angela, all redeemers, all the forgotten ones, Abdiel, The Disciple, Zera, Malebolgia, Mammon etc. Anyone who has ever been a part of any of these three realms !
Helluva fight, cant say accurately

8) Bloodlusted Micheal Can Lucifer outsmart, defeat, destroy, or surpass his brother in any way?
Didnt Lucifer already beat Mike?

9) White Pheonix of the Crown - Can he destroy or subdue her?
Is she really above some of the stuff already said?

10) Goddess Dawn with Sword She used this to cut off Ahura Mazda (God's) hand off. With this sword, is Dawn even capable of ending Lucifer, or would her attack be futile?
Lucifer 9/10

11)Darkseid with ALE, Parallex, Molecule Man, and Mr. Myx Can Lucifer outsmart and defeat these reality controllers?
Yes

12) Saint of Killers Is Lucifer subject to this guy's attacks?
This has been decided in another thread, Lucifer is above death, and SoK is death in Preacher-verse

13) The Great Evil Beast- Could Lucifer trick the GEB into defeating itself?
Hes Lucifer, no ones better at tricking people

14) Classic Beyonder- Could Lucifer defeat him in ANY way shape or form?
Infinite power (Beyonder) versus near infinite power, Lucifer loses

Mr. Master you are an EXCELLENT DEBATOR 👆

I am now convinced that Lucifer may well have very much trouble defeating Thanos with IG

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's something you can't prove.

Your interpretation is willfully ignoring on panel art, and character statements.

Warlock warns Tribunal about how powerful he is and Tribunal still JUDGES againt him.

Tribunal Judges against the Gauntlet being able to work together and so his Judment stood.

How much clearer do you want it to be, or do you have something personal against the LT?

Mr. Master, Mider HATES the Living Tribunal, we all know this, i even made a thread called "Mider vs The Living Tribunal" 😆

Convincing Mider that the LT is a valid character is a waste of time.

5) Kali and Urizen - at thier full power, both are above Death. Urizen devours spiritual energy, all kinds of spiritual energy, he has the ability to kill the imagination. Kali is the Goddess of Death and Destruction, the cycle of life and death, no God or Demon has ever beaten her yet. Will Lucifer be the first?
Perhaps
7) Combined Forces of Heaven, Hell,and Greeworld- If Lucifer defeats round 4, let's say thier resurrected.....excluding God, Satan, and Urizen.......can Lucifer defeat the combined might of both Heaven and Hell together? This would include Spawn (any age), Angela, all redeemers, all the forgotten ones, Abdiel, The Disciple, Zera, Malebolgia, Mammon etc. Anyone who has ever been a part of any of these three realms !
Helluva fight, cant say accurately

so what your saying is that, he can defeat urizen and kali, but he cant defeat the people who a depowered urizen was kicking the shit outa.
this is full power urizen, he could do it alone, but with kali, its overkill.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Mr. Master you are an EXCELLENT DEBATOR 👆

I am now convinced that Lucifer may well have very much trouble defeating Thanos with IG

i dont want to start anything, but, i thought when you fired the un, it destroyed the weilder, how can reed fire it w/o getting killed?

Originally posted by Tassadar
1) Charon and Lawbringers from Negation (Crossgen Comics)- Can he singlehandedly defeat the entire Negation Empire?
Yes

I agree. Negation is one universe, and Charon does not have absolute cosmic power, only absolute dictatorship and high cosmic power (comparable to Galactus, or maybe higher) but not on Lucifer's league.

Originally posted by Tassadar
2) Thanos with Classic IG plus Marvel cosmics- Lucifer enters Marvel Universe 616 where Thanos is God of that Reality. Can Lucifer defeat Thanos who will be allied with Galactus, Chaos and Order, Mistress Death, The Stranger, Love and Hate, and all the Celestials combined?
Yes

Thanks to Mr. Master's debate, i doubt this now. Thanos with IG may prove to be a wicked challenge for Lucifer.

Originally posted by Tassadar
3) Abraxis with Ultamate Nullifiers Let's say Abraxis at full power with copies of Ultamate Nullifiers at his disposal. Can he delete Lucifer in battle, or will Lucifer come out on top?
Question is, will Ultimate Nullifier work on him?

Why wouldn't it? The Ultamate Nullifier destroyed the entire multiverse. It could well as much destroy Abraxis. I know Lucifer is beyong death, but is he also beyong being deleted? There is a major difference between being killed and being completely erased.

Originally posted by Tassadar
4) The Disciple, Zera, Mammon, the Forgotten Ones, Abdiel, and the Man of Miracles- Can Lucifer defeat these entities from Spawn combined?
Yes

How so? Disciple and Zera ALONE may be too much for Lucifer, Man of Miracles by himself may be too much...do you know enough about them? And then Abdiel who has the sword that can slay immortals, Mammon with his near omnipotence, and then the Forgotten Ones who are like a hundred Mammons?

Dude, explain yourself....I am not totally convinced that Lucifer can beat them together. 😉

Originally posted by Tassadar
5) Kali and Urizen - at thier full power, both are above Death. Urizen devours spiritual energy, all kinds of spiritual energy, he has the ability to kill the imagination. Kali is the Goddess of Death and Destruction, the cycle of life and death, no God or Demon has ever beaten her yet. Will Lucifer be the first?
Perhaps

I doubt it. He'd have to do a hell of a lotta crap to defeat Kali, who has never been defeated before. Not to mention Urizen cannot be destroyed...period, even Cogliostro clarified this, not to meniton that Urizen at full power may well be on par with Image's God (for reasons I will explain now🙂

Zera, the most dangerous weapon Heaven has, had to be locked away by God himself. WHY? Not because she disobeyed God, she was ultamately loyal to him. God himself imprisoned her, BECAUSE she is wayyy to powerful, dangerous, and insane to let loose.

When Urizen roamed free long ago, Heaven and Hell had to join forces to weaken him and lock him away. If God would stow away Zera, even though she's loya, then why would he not simply lock away Urizen who is immoral, indestructable, feared by both Heaven and Hell, who was able to destroy the entire universe?

Most likely cuz God himself was unable to lock Urizen away on his own. 😉

How the hell would Lucifer accompish a thing, that God and the Devils in Image required an alliance for ?????

Originally posted by Tassadar
6) Bloodlusted Spectre Spectre is fkn furious and has a bone to pick with Lucifer. Is there any way Lucifer can neutralize Spectre, and if so, how?
More than likely hes above normal DC God

You mean Presence? Who is DC God? Is Vertigo's Yahweh higher than the Presence?

Originally posted by Tassadar
7) Combined Forces of Heaven, Hell,and Greeworld- If Lucifer defeats round 4, let's say thier resurrected.....excluding God, Satan, and Urizen.......can Lucifer defeat the combined might of both Heaven and Hell together? This would include Spawn (any age), Angela, all redeemers, all the forgotten ones, Abdiel, The Disciple, Zera, Malebolgia, Mammon etc. Anyone who has ever been a part of any of these three realms !
Helluva fight, cant say accurately

Me either !

Originally posted by Tassadar
8) Bloodlusted Micheal Can Lucifer outsmart, defeat, destroy, or surpass his brother in any way?
Didnt Lucifer already beat Mike?

If you are talking about when he killed him and caused that explosion, that doesn't entirely count, Micheal came back to life renewed.

How has Lucifer defeated Micheal ?

Originally posted by Tassadar
9) White Pheonix of the Crown - Can he destroy or subdue her?
Is she really above some of the stuff already said?

Yeah, it may well be impossible.

Originally posted by Tassadar
10) Goddess Dawn with Sword She used this to cut off Ahura Mazda (God's) hand off. With this sword, is Dawn even capable of ending Lucifer, or would her attack be futile?
Lucifer 9/10

Maybe

Originally posted by Tassadar
11)Darkseid with ALE, Parallex, Molecule Man, and Mr. Myx Can Lucifer outsmart and defeat these reality controllers?
Yes

Okay, how and why?

Originally posted by Tassadar
12) Saint of Killers Is Lucifer subject to this guy's attacks?
This has been decided in another thread, Lucifer is above death, and SoK is death in Preacher-verse

Doesn't determine anything. Eternity is above Death in Marvel, and he can die just as much. Saint of Killers was able to kill God in his reality and take his thrown. I'm uncertain here.

Originally posted by Tassadar
13) The Great Evil Beast- Could Lucifer trick the GEB into defeating itself?
Hes Lucifer, no ones better at tricking people

GEB is not a person......how would Lucifer trick it?

Originally posted by Tassadar
14) Classic Beyonder- Could Lucifer defeat him in ANY way shape or form?
Infinite power (Beyonder) versus near infinite power, Lucifer loses

I agree. 😉

Originally posted by bigbran
5) Kali and Urizen - at thier full power, both are above Death. Urizen devours spiritual energy, all kinds of spiritual energy, he has the ability to kill the imagination. Kali is the Goddess of Death and Destruction, the cycle of life and death, no God or Demon has ever beaten her yet. Will Lucifer be the first?
Perhaps
7) Combined Forces of Heaven, Hell,and Greeworld- If Lucifer defeats round 4, let's say thier resurrected.....excluding God, Satan, and Urizen.......can Lucifer defeat the combined might of both Heaven and Hell together? This would include Spawn (any age), Angela, all redeemers, all the forgotten ones, Abdiel, The Disciple, Zera, Malebolgia, Mammon etc. Anyone who has ever been a part of any of these three realms !
Helluva fight, cant say accurately

so what your saying is that, he can defeat urizen and kali, but he cant defeat the people who a depowered urizen was kicking the shit outa.
this is full power urizen, he could do it alone, but with kali, its overkill.

Yes ! 👆

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Mr. Master, Mider HATES the Living Tribunal, we all know this, i even made a thread called "Mider vs The Living Tribunal" 😆

Convincing Mider that the LT is a valid character is a waste of time.

It makes sense now.

thanxs

he hates lt and thanos.

he's the one making things up, saying how the LT did this and that when he didnt do a darn thing, adam gave him the gems so they wouldnt fight thus ruin the universe, he has no proof at all that LT would have won a confrentation he has the showings from dr strange, last planet standing and even korvac against him all he can give me is i dont take it seriously he knows the LT's rules he knows that he is only one being no alternates like galactus and thus when he shows up somewhere in the multiverse its him and only him, then he says that LT bowing down to pheonix is nothing, i guess he was just looking at her shoes

show me scans of him bowing.

i dont own a scanner ask galactic storm