Originally posted by queeq
I liked him better as Jules.
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Originally posted by Alliance
I like the character...he's jsut wrong. I think he meant well, but he really f*cked things over imo.
well i dont think he was wrong... 😛
Originally posted by queeq
In which he is right of course... 😛
wait... alliance is a guy... shit... my apologies... 😖
This brings us to Mace Windu. What an arrogant, power-mad, overblown ass. Sith always come in pairs, a master and an apprentice. Jedi always come in pairs too, a don and a bald goomba with a bad attitude and a purple murder stick. It's not enough that Mace decapitated Jango Fett, the blueprint of the clone army under Yoda's croaking command, but he did this right in front of Jango's own beloved son, following the typical Jedi tactic of intimidation and terror. Like all the Jedi, Mace was a bad seed, a powder keg of wanton violence.
Upon finding out that the duly elected Chancellor is a Sith, what does Mace do? He goes to kill him. Hell, Islamic jihadist militants are reasonable by comparison. At least they wait to get a fatwa. Could you image a Secret Service officer, some dyed in the wool Protestant, storming into the Oval Office to assassinate the President of the United States of America because someone in the White House press room claimed the President was *gasp* Catholic?
The Chancellor is a Sith! Big-****ing deal. Bush=Hitler, too. That doesn't give anyone the right to assassinate him. Splash the scandal all over the tabloids. Publish the gritty details in the Galactic Globe and Gazette. Have the Jedi fax-droids bombard the Senators in an avalanche of thermo-paper. Form a non-profit "No Palpatine" 527 PAC and get moving on a no-confidence vote. Level charges of high treason in the Galactic Senate. Subpoena the Chancellor's robes to scan them for Dark-Side auras. Judas H Jedi, you just don't march in with a light saber and decapitate the elected head of the freakin' government.
Yet Mace storms in to the Chancellor's office, with the Huttzpah to claim he's putting him under arrest. He knows full well that he doesn't have the legal authority to do so, and knows full well that the Chancellor will call his bluff. Given reason to believe that Palpatine is a Sith, and noting that only a fool would think a Sith Lord would surrender alive, Mace's claim that he was there to "arrest" the Chancellor is just another patent Jedi lie. Mace was there to kill the Chancellor, and brought three Jedi goons along to get medieval on his ass.
Did he go before a judge to get an arrest warrant? No. Did he call any Senators and give them a heads up? No. Did he confer with any lawyers versed in Republic law? No. Did he engage in consultations about the Constitutional ramifications of a Jedi coup d'Etat? No. Did he seek, much less get, permission from the Jedi Council, as morally worthless as that permission would be? Nope. Did he even bother to inform the rest of the Jedi Council that the person who led the vote to field all those Storm Troopers happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith? Not a chance. Does he even think more than five minutes ahead? You tell me. Like a typical Jedi, Master Windu thinks he can just run amok killing whomever he pleases like some two-credit vigilante assassin. It's the Jedi way.
Master Windu didn't give any of the legal options a second's thought, because Master Windu didn't give a damn about legalities. He took it upon himself to arrest, nay assassinate, the Supreme Chancellor of a democracy. Just who the **** does he think he is? Obviously, Master Windu is an arrogant, bigoted, member of the self-anointed warrior class, one who doesn't give a flying mynock about what little shards of democracy they had left. Even vile Brutus conferred with a multitude of other senators before slaying Julius Caesar, but Mace didn't even trifle with that. If served with cold justice, he wouldn't have suffered dismemberment and defenestration; he'd have been tortured, drawn, and quartered, just like Guy Fawkes after the failed gunpowder plot.
Hell, the Chancellor should send a squad of storm troopers to find Windu's body, joyously splattered all over the pavement, and have them peel him up with a vibro-spatula™ so they can toss him out the window again, being sure to make a holo of the head-bursting impact. Master Windu was a traitorous assassin, a vile asp loosed upon an unsuspecting democracy in time of peril. Anakin was right to hack off Mace's arm the very instant Mace moved to strike down Palpatine, citing the patent illegality and immorality of it, but it's too bad he couldn't hack off Mace's ego. Killing that took a close encounter of the paved kind.
Originally posted by Alliance
This brings us to Mace Windu. What an arrogant, power-mad, overblown ass. Sith always come in pairs, a master and an apprentice. Jedi always come in pairs too, a don and a bald goomba with a bad attitude and a purple murder stick. It's not enough that Mace decapitated Jango Fett, the blueprint of the clone army under Yoda's croaking command, but he did this right in front of Jango's own beloved son, following the typical Jedi tactic of intimidation and terror. Like all the Jedi, Mace was a bad seed, a powder keg of wanton violence.
I sincerely hope that's sarcasm... are you saying he shouldnt have killed jango?
Upon finding out that the duly elected Chancellor is a Sith, what does Mace do? He goes to kill him. Hell, Islamic jihadist militants are reasonable by comparison. At least they wait to get a fatwa. Could you image a Secret Service officer, some dyed in the wool Protestant, storming into the Oval Office to assassinate the President of the United States of America because someone in the White House press room claimed the President was *gasp* Catholic?
The sith and the jedi can't share the same galaxy, only one can survive, so mace was (imo), acting to save the jedi...
The Chancellor is a Sith! Big-****ing deal. Bush=Hitler, too. That doesn't give anyone the right to assassinate him. Splash the scandal all over the tabloids. Publish the gritty details in the Galactic Globe and Gazette. Have the Jedi fax-droids bombard the Senators in an avalanche of thermo-paper. Form a non-profit "No Palpatine" 527 PAC and get moving on a no-confidence vote. Level charges of high treason in the Galactic Senate. Subpoena the Chancellor's robes to scan them for Dark-Side auras. Judas H Jedi, you just don't march in with a light saber and decapitate the elected head of the freakin' government.
The senate would never let half of what you just mentioned happen, because their totally (bar a select few) under the emperor's spell...
Yet Mace storms in to the Chancellor's office, with the Huttzpah to claim he's putting him under arrest. He knows full well that he doesn't have the legal authority to do so, and knows full well that the Chancellor will call his bluff.
No he doesn't, he's a jedi, they've been the protectors of the republic for generations, and palpatine was a threat to the republic and the jedi...
Given reason to believe that Palpatine is a Sith, and noting that only a fool would think a Sith Lord would surrender alive, Mace's claim that he was there to "arrest" the Chancellor is just another patent Jedi lie. Mace was there to kill the Chancellor, and brought three Jedi goons along to get medieval on his ass.
I don't think so... mace brought them as a deterrent (admittedly it didnt work), but if palps had come quietly i think mace would have taken him in, not out, as it were...
Did he go before a judge to get an arrest warrant? No. Did he call any Senators and give them a heads up? No. Did he confer with any lawyers versed in Republic law? No. Did he engage in consultations about the Constitutional ramifications of a Jedi coup d'Etat? No. Did he seek, much less get, permission from the Jedi Council, as morally worthless as that permission would be? Nope. Did he even bother to inform the rest of the Jedi Council that the person who led the vote to field all those Storm Troopers happens to be a Dark Lord of the Sith? Not a chance. Does he even think more than five minutes ahead? You tell me. Like a typical Jedi, Master Windu thinks he can just run amok killing whomever he pleases like some two-credit vigilante assassin. It's the Jedi way.
Wow... seriously... do you actually like any jedi at all? 😛
mace had minutes to make a decision, and time was of the essence...
Master Windu didn't give any of the legal options a second's thought, because Master Windu didn't give a damn about legalities. He took it upon himself to arrest, nay assassinate, the Supreme Chancellor of a democracy.
I think he genuinely wanted to arrest palpatine, but believed palps wouldn't come quietly...
Just who the **** does he think he is?
A jedi master and a protector of the republic, not to mention an enemy of the sith (who are EVIL, remember 😛)
Obviously, Master Windu is an arrogant, bigoted, member of the self-anointed warrior class, one who doesn't give a flying mynock about what little shards of democracy they had left.
I honestly think thats way off...
Even vile Brutus conferred with a multitude of other senators before slaying Julius Caesar, but Mace didn't even trifle with that. If served with cold justice, he wouldn't have suffered dismemberment and defenestration; he'd have been tortured, drawn, and quartered, just like Guy Fawkes after the failed gunpowder plot.
Mace wouldn't need to confer, as i said, time was of the essence, and to be honest, if it was me, i'd want to get my hands on the sith lord asap... 😬
Hell, the Chancellor should send a squad of storm troopers to find Windu's body, joyously splattered all over the pavement, and have them peel him up with a vibro-spatula™ so they can toss him out the window again, being sure to make a holo of the head-bursting impact.
Ok... 😖
Master Windu was a traitorous assassin, a vile asp loosed upon an unsuspecting democracy in time of peril. Anakin was right to hack off Mace's arm the very instant Mace moved to strike down Palpatine, citing the patent illegality and immorality of it, but it's too bad he couldn't hack off Mace's ego. Killing that took a close encounter of the paved kind.
I still think he was right, and i don't believe he was a traitor...
You and i are never going to agree... 😛
sorry for the length of the post, truly i am... 😮