Count Dooku runs the Gauntlet!

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Pyro Tyrannus "Nerd maker funner of-er"

Originally posted by Escape81
Oh yes. . . that just rips up my argument.

Maybe you just don't understand.

Dooku had more difficulty chucking a smaller object than Sidious, who chucked three or four repulsorpods - one of which, by the way - was bigger than Dooku's "generator".

So, no. It doesn't do anything to my argument.

Sidious is better than his apprentice. Better than Dooku. Dooku dies at seven.

I'm not saying that Dooku is better than Sids in the force. I'm just addressing your narrow view of the way the force works. Dooku wins because of his superiour saber skills. . .

Lightsnake Senior Member

Which aren't that superior to Sidious and certainly won't help him when Sidious uses the force. Dooku is in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM on the level of his master. In a fight, he'd DIE. Dooku was SCARED of Sidious and his saber skills won't help. You know why they won't help? Because Sidious is much stronger in the dark side

Pyro Tyrannus "Nerd maker funner of-er"
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which aren't that superior to Sidious and certainly won't help him when Sidious uses the force. Dooku is in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM on the level of his master. In a fight, he'd DIE. Dooku was SCARED of Sidious and his saber skills won't help. You know why they won't help? Because Sidious is much stronger in the dark side

and you say my arguments are bogus? Where does it say that he is scared of that old hag? Dooku not only has extensive training as a Sith but as a Jedi as well. That gives him many different abilities and understandings...

Lightsnake Senior Member

Dark Rendevous, Labyrinth of Evil, ROTS novelization...Dooku was scared of and outrighted stated to be Sidious's inferior.

And big freaking deal, Sidious has an entire lifetime of Dark Side training. Dooku is owned and owned again by his master. Want more proof?

Dark Side sourceobok calls Sidious the strongest Sith Bane's order would ever produced. You know something amusing? Tyranus is included in that order!

Escape81 Restricted

Rofl. I even was so kind as to post word-for-word excerpts from Dark Rendezvous on this thread.

Amazing how Rampant Ox and Tyrannus ignored them . . .

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Escape81
You just don't get it, do you?

On the contrary, you're the one who doesn't get it. I have quoted word for word from the film what Yoda said about moving objects. When he commented to Palpatine about his rule, he was expressing an opinion (which turned out to be wrong) When he was tutoring Luke, he was stating facts, which he then proved to be right! If you mention the size of an object having relevence again, I will just ignore you, because you are only expressing your opinion, which means f*ck all compared to the 100% canon accuracy of the movie.

Originally posted by Escape81
Palpatine is Yoda's equal. He was able to overpower and put Yoda on the defensive at specific points in the duel,

I quite agree. Infact, I agree entirely. Both had the other on the defensive at specific points, so I would agree that they are totally equals, neither is better than the other, one just happened to succeed. In a rematch (where plotline did not dictate the outcome) it could just as easily have gone to Yoda.

Originally posted by Escape81
Dooku is inferior to Sidious, and would die facing him in combat.

Dooku's Force abilities may be inferior to Palpatine's, but, his saber technique is obviously superior. During his duel with Mace, Palpatine's motions were entirely predictable and readable. As someone else pointed out, it was so slow it was laughable. I ignored the rest of your comment as it was irrelevent.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

Yet in his duel with Yoda he was extremely fast and unpredictable...interesting... 🙄

Nor did I think he was predictable in his fight with Mace, your just stating what you saw was predictable, give a quote saying he was "predictable" in his duel with Mace, if not, then it means nothing.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by Escape81
Furthermore, Vious -

A single repulsorpod is roughly twice as large as one of the generators that Dooku threw at Yoda.


Pyro has already mentioned the quote that you seem intent on ignoring, regarding Yoda's comment's on size, and to avoid wasting time later on your answer to him, don't be so f*cking pedantic by trying to say that the weight and size of an object is relevent. Luke said that it was totally different to moving rocks. Yoda replied that it was no different. That means size, weight, everything. An object is an object, and if a Jedi can move one, they can move another. That is 100% canon accurate, so stop trying to deny it.

Originally posted by Escape81
To top it off, he was able to do something Dooku couldn't in his duel in AotC. He managed to force Yoda on the defensive at various points in their lightsaber duel, managed to strike him, managed to disarm him, and caused a stalemate.

He forced Yoda to flee.


When Yoda was bouncing around the hangar, was he engaging Dooku, or was he... on the defensive??!! I don't deny that Yoda is a more powerfull Jedi than Dooku, but, not by a huge margin. You're not comparing a 5 watt like Seasee Tiin to Yoda, but a 9.5 who is just below Yoda's 10.

Originally posted by Escape81

The point is, Sidious is more powerful than Dooku in the force.

Yes.

Originally posted by Escape81
His skills with a saber aren't exactly sub-par

Yes they are. They are predictable and readable, Dooku's were not. Dooku might not have the Force ablilties of Palpatine, but he is a more skilled duellist.

Originally posted by Escape81
He dies at seven. That's the bottom line.

That's only your opinion, and I disagree with it.
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((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Yet in his duel with Yoda he was extremely fast and unpredictable...interesting... 🙄

Nor did I think he was predictable in his fight with Mace, your just stating what you saw was predictable, give a quote saying he was "predictable" in his duel with Mace, if not, then it means nothing.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Yet in his duel with Yoda he was extremely fast and unpredictable...interesting... 🙄

Nor did I think he was predictable in his fight with Mace, your just stating what you saw was predictable, give a quote saying he was "predictable" in his duel with Mace, if not, then it means nothing.


There is no "quote" available, but it's clear to anyone who watches his duelswhat his intentions are. When he pulls his saber hilt back to his body and holds it there, what is he going to do with it other than stab it forwards? When he holds it above his head, what is he going to do other than bring it slashing down? That's not an opinion, but observable facts that anyone with any knowledge of fencing could read.

Darth Vious Restricted

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((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member
Originally posted by Darth Vious
There is no "quote" available, but it's clear to anyone who watches his duelswhat his intentions are. When he pulls his saber hilt back to his body and holds it there, what is he going to do with it other than stab it forwards? When he holds it above his head, what is he going to do other than bring it slashing down? That's not an opinion, but observable facts that anyone with any knowledge of fencing could read.

Good for you, too bad opinions are not good enough in here. 😉

To bad that Mace makes the EXACT same "over the head" maneuver, so does Anakin and Dooku 😉 And whats with Obi-Wans finger pointing stance?

So much for that eh?

You cant put any "real" swordplay into SW context, as its not real.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
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Good for you, too bad opinions are not good enough in here. 😉


Re-read what I wrote. It is not an opinion, but an observable fact. Hell, re-watch the scenes yourself if you don't believe me. When Palpatine and Yoda are in the senate, yes, they are trading blow for blow. However, before then, at the begining of the duel, Palpatine held his saber above his head for plenty of time for anyone to realize what he intended to do with it.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

I edited my above post.

Good for you, too bad opinions are not good enough in here. 😉

To bad that Mace makes the EXACT same "over the head" maneuver, so does Anakin and Dooku 😉 And whats with Obi-Wans finger pointing stance?

So much for that eh?

You cant put any "real" swordplay into SW context, as its not real.

Ergo all you have is unsupported opinions, which isnt good enough.

Darth Vious Restricted

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I edited my above post.

[B]Good for you, too bad opinions are not good enough in here. 😉

To bad that Mace makes the EXACT same "over the head" maneuver, so does Anakin and Dooku 😉 And whats with Obi-Wans finger pointing stance?

So much for that eh?

You cant put any "real" swordplay into SW context, as its not real.

Ergo all you have is unsupported opinions, which isnt good enough. [/B]


And when Mace makes the same maneuver it is readable. So do Anakin and Dooku, but much less. As for Obi-Wan's stance, it looks stupid. I think it's supposed to be the Jedi equivelent of Neo's finger waving to taunt an opponent. It could also be a 'gesture of influence' to focus Obi-Wan's thoughts and use of the Force, but that's just my own guess, it certainly isn't in anyway part of his normal defensive style of duelling. Yes, you can put real swordplay into the context when it comes to reading and analysing the duels. Yes, there is exageration, but for the most part, the individual styles are easy to distinguish, and in the case of some, the moves are obvious, so once more, that is not opinion, but observable fact.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

No it isn't, sorry, unless you have any proof (which you don't) then you have absolutely nothing. Which is what you have, nothing.

The styles are not real sword styles (as a matter of fact the sword styles don't even exist in the movies, only in EU) and the fighting isn't real.

You have nothing other then opinion, I personally liked Sidious's "style" when he fought Mace, more so then Anakin's, Obi-Wans, and ESPECIALLY Mace's who looks a little too much like one of those 13 year old kids who make crappy Star Wars fan duels.

But again, thats my opinion, I have mine, you have yours. But they are of no use at all in debate without something to back them up.

So don't use them.

Nactous Restricted

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
No it isn't, sorry, unless you have any proof (which you don't) then you have absolutely nothing. Which is what you have, nothing.

The styles are not real sword styles (as a matter of fact the sword styles don't even exist in the movies, only in EU) and the fighting isn't real.

You have nothing other then opinion, I personally liked Sidious's "style" when he fought Mace, more so then Anakin's, Obi-Wans, and ESPECIALLY Mace's who looks a little too much like one of those 13 year old kids who make crappy Star Wars fan duels.

But again, thats my opinion, I have mine, you have yours. But they are of no use at all in debate without something to back them up.

So don't use them.

I will disagree, for "I have found a contradiction."

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

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Nactous Restricted

Lighten up Ana, its been one year from yesterday, and KotOR is still better. 😛

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

wtf are you talking about? 🤨