Originally posted by Brockalizer
I didn't say that I agree, just stating a fact. I'm just saying that there needs to be consistency. If Doomsday gets Superman's feats then Bill gets Thor's feats. Whether or not I agree with that is irrelevant.
Well, if DD gets Supes feats he beats BRB. If he doesn't and BRB doesn't get Thor's, BRB still loses. Seems consistent enough to me.
Originally posted by BentleyDoomsday needs Superman's feats, Bill doesn't. His showing against Galactus, while not guaranteeing a victory, shows that he's more than capable of taking on Doomsday by himself. All DoS Doomsday has for feats is doing exactly what the writers intended, kill Superman. DoS Superman is considerably on of the weakest versions of Superman IMO. Current or OWAW Superman would dong smack DoS Doomsday.
Well, if DD gets Supes feats he beats BRB. If he doesn't and BRB doesn't get Thor's, BRB still loses. Seems consistent enough to me.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Doomsday needs Superman's feats, Bill doesn't. His showing against Galactus, while not guaranteeing a victory, shows that he's more than capable of taking on Doomsday by himself. All DoS Doomsday has for feats is doing exactly what the writers intended, kill Superman. DoS Superman is considerably on of the weakest versions of Superman IMO. Current or OWAW Superman would dong smack DoS Doomsday.
Yep, stomping Barda and Guy as if they were nothing is not impressive on your book. Guess BRB would sway them with ease!
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Why not? In most other Doomsday threads people have no problem giving Superman's feats to Doomsday. As you stated in a previous post Superman's heat vision affected Doomsday, so there is no reason to believe that a powerful enough lightning blast wouldn't. Remember this is DoS Doomsday not HP Doomsday, so Doomsday's evolving ability wasn't established yet. Doomsday is toast.
Anyone giving Superman's feats to Doomsday deserves a slap in the face, tbh.
DD has plenty of impressive feats on his own anyway; beating the GL Corps, walking through Apokolips, stuff like that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
he fought Guardians.
It was implied his evolution power was maximizing the use of the ring, somehow.
Given how Hal just killed a Guardian (And not just any Guardian, but one with a history of pwning the entire corps and that had multiple amps), it makes the DD feat look less like PIS by comparison.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankmore importantly, doomsday doesn't hold back anything, and during dos his damage soak just won't cut it when brb hits him with back-to-back small planet devistating attacks without remorse.
👆And Bill has no reason to hold back at all. He ends Doomsday.
This thread has been done before
Originally posted by psycho gundam
more importantly, doomsday doesn't hold back anything, and during dos his damage soak just won't cut it when brb hits him with back-to-back small planet devistating attacks without remorse.This thread has been done before
BRB can't hit with asteroid damaging attacks unless he takes the time to wind up or whirl the hammer to sufficient speeds. DD wouldn't allow him to do such things and will be on him like white on rice.
And know that DD has feats against the GL (including Guardians), Apokolips (new Gods), and Justice League.
DD's combination of speed, durability, and relentlessness is his key to a majority. It is possible for Bill to win a few, just very hard to do.
Originally posted by h1a8
BRB can't hit with asteroid damaging attacks unless he takes the time to wind up or whirl the hammer to sufficient speeds. DD wouldn't allow him to do such things and will be on him like white on rice.And know that DD has feats against the GL (including Guardians), Apokolips (new Gods), and Justice League.
DD's combination of speed, durability, and relentlessness is his key to a majority. It is possible for Bill to win a few, just very hard to do.
Untrue. Neither him nor Thor have to "charge" up a melee attack to do such damage.
Know that Beta Ray Bill has feats against Heralds of Galactus, Galactus himself, Loki, Fenris, Thor himself, etc.
BRB's DILYGAF attitude, power output, versatility, the ability to effect a huge radius with his weather manipulation and ranged capabilities makes is his key to victory. DoS Doomsday wins this if Bill jobs something fierce.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankProve it, because EVERYTIME the hammer bros did some major striking with the hammers was because of of taking time to whirl the hammers (or greatly wind up).
Untrue. Neither him nor Thor have to "charge" up a melee attack to do such damage.
Good, he's going to need it for it not to be spite. He has no feats against Galactus though.
Know that Beta Ray Bill has feats against Heralds of Galactus, Galactus himself, Loki, Fenris, Thor himself, etc.
Speed and relentlessness trumps everything you said. What good is BLANK (insert weather manipulation, attitude, power output, or etc.) if you don't get a chance to use it?
BRB's DILYGAF attitude, power output, versatility, the ability to effect a huge radius with his weather manipulation and ranged capabilities makes is his key to victory. DoS Doomsday wins this if Bill jobs something fierce.
DOS doomsday doesn't have the damage soak for this fight i'm sorry to tell you. i won't be suckered into debating if and how doomsday disrupts beta ray from hitting him cause it's asinine and i don't think anyone really believes that, even yourself.
as for speed, strormbreaker being tossed across the .5 kilometer gap is more of an priority than doomsday stopping bill from tossing it.
Originally posted by cdtm
Again, weaker Superman.And, a holding back Superman. If Supes didn't wait until he was 99.9% dead before using killing force, he probably could have beaten Doomsday in one or two issues worth of fights, and been in reasonably good shape.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆And Bill has no reason to hold back at all. He ends Doomsday.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
more importantly, doomsday doesn't hold back anything, and during dos his damage soak just won't cut it when brb hits him with back-to-back small planet devistating attacks without remorse.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
DOS doomsday doesn't have the damage soak for this fight i'm sorry to tell you. i won't be suckered into debating if and how doomsday disrupts beta ray from hitting him cause it's asinine and i don't think anyone really believes that, even yourself.as for speed, strormbreaker being tossed across the .5 kilometer gap is more of an priority than doomsday stopping bill from tossing it.
DOS endured thousands of Superman's punches. I say he easily has the damage soak to withstand many blows from BRB.
BRB is not going to toss the hammer at DD from .5km away at the beginning of the fight more than a good 1% of the time. BRB doesn't usually fight that way. Plus DD would be on the move and not a still target, making it hard for BRB to connect with the throw.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
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DoS Doomsday was just a dumb brick. It never tries to dodge or avoid an attack like more a intelligent fighter. It doesn't run around at super speed looking for things to kill. It just attacks whoever is stupid or unlucky enough to be between it and where ever it's going. Even if Doomsday get in the first hit, Doomsday is not going to one shot Bill. Bill just has to hit Doomsday with a couple well timed lightning blasts to throw it off balance long enough to hit it with a series of very powerful hammer strikes and it's game over.
Lightning nor any blast made by BRB is going to affect DOS DD much. The writer was clear when he showed him resistant to the entire Justice League's output. Also he endured thousands of GL's blasting him, New Gods, and even fighting Guardians too.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You still haven't proven he took thousands of punches from what was already mentioned as being a weaker, holding back Superman.
Assuming they fought for most of the day, at super speed then what would be the minimum amount of punches you think Superman landed on him?
If we say a punch is landed every 10 seconds on average (remember they fought at super speed so that is really an underestimate) then in 2 hours of fighting about 1200 punches would have landed.