Originally posted by leonidasI agree. Just like classic Juggernaut's 'unstoppability', what DoS Doomsday was meant to represent should be taken into account in respect to his character--he was a tank that wrecked almost anyone/thing that got in his way. That is incontrovertible.
meh, if you seperate 'writer intent' from 'on-panel depiction' and use simply the latter, then you would likely say bill wins a tough fight. if you factor in the former, as i do, dd wins. i clearly see why people say bill--i just think that WHAT dd was meant to represent needs to be factored into his character.and odg: pffft.
However, the fact that Byrne-era Supes was ultimately able to kill DD via physical means, suggests that Bill (especially with Stormbreaker) should be able to as well... Likely with a bit less effort. Imo.
Originally posted by stan5677I still don't think it was on par with a Godblast... Could've been, though.
What about the blast he used on Asteroth?
Originally posted by Galan007
A blow that shattered windows on a city block or two was above the planetoid-busting blows Bill can deliver? Nah.
Yeah, since we all know collateral damage is the end all be all method of measuring strength...
I guess Kal only punches hard when his attacks liquify every other character in the proximity, like Lois and Perry, that would be exactly what the comic intended to portral.
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Originally posted by BentleyThe window shattering thing was used as a narrative-gauge to let the readers know 'how powerful' Superman and DD's final punches were, though. Now don't get me wrong, I definitely agree that said punches packed a very significant amount of force behind them. However, I don't believe Superman's final 'killing blow' could have destroyed planetoids or cracked Galactus' helm, as Bill's stronger punches have.
Yeah, since we all know collateral damage is the end all be all method of measuring strength...
Just my opinion... Feel free to disagree. 😛
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree. Just like classic Juggernaut's 'unstoppability', what DoS Doomsday was meant to represent should be taken into account in respect to his character--he was a tank that wrecked almost anyone/thing that got in his way. That is incontrovertible.However, the fact that Byrne-era Supes was ultimately able to kill DD via physical means, suggests that Bill (especially with Stormbreaker) should be able to as well... Likely with a bit less effort. Imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, if you seperate 'writer intent' from 'on-panel depiction' and use simply the latter, then you would likely say bill wins a tough fight. if you factor in the former, as i do, dd wins. i clearly see why people say bill--i just think that WHAT dd was meant to represent needs to be factored into his character.and odg: pffft.
He was meant to be Superman's worst nightmare. That doesn't apply here. 😛
Originally posted by Bentley
ODG just wants to diss DD to subconsiously accept Guy Gardner sucks.biscuits
Guy Gardner suckz uhuh
on what, you might say...
Originally posted by leonidas
what WAS kal's best feat in that era? i know he had some pretty good ones, but can't recall off-hand....
he had a few; he was a solid low to mid herald. Not sure what his best would be...
Originally posted by leonidas
what WAS kal's best feat in that era? i know he had some pretty good ones, but can't recall off-hand....
It depends on what kind of feat you're looking for, but here's a few:
Time and Time Again had him taking some insane explosions, like the moon blowing up, and being in the middle of a collapsing Sun Eater.
In his first fight with Mxy, he used his super speed to spell his name backwards on a giant typewriter, and to the naked eye it appeared Mxy himself typed it while Supes stood and watched.
When fighting Toymans flying toys, he flew around the Earth and came behind them near instantly..
He defeated Kalibak, with a lot of effort.
He defeated Eclipsed Lar Gand, while suffocating on the moon.
He survived punches from the Pocket Universe Kryptonians, which is a pretty big durability feat given these were designed to replace Pre Crisis Kryptonians, and all of PC Superboys feats applied to Pocket Universe Superman via retcon.
Silver Banshees magic scream killed anyone, but Superman was only knocked into a coma (Adding fuel to the endless debate on whether post crisis Superman is weak to magic or not.)