The way Im looking at it is you ahve cap. A human at the very pinnacle of human performance, awsome hand to hand fighter, leadership skills and his shield. Then Im looking at a non-human thats past peak human performance, has more exp than cap, more abilities than him, better equipment and absolutly no problems with killing. Also arguably every bit caps equal in battle. thats how Im looking at the battle, maybe different than anyone else.
Well, for starters, you are admonishing human's very much. Even in 'FR,' there are humans who can more than match elves, strike to strike. Saying that an elf is just outright BETTER than a human is somewhat ignorant in and of itself. Beyond that, you might also be mistaken on your definition of 'peak human.'
The most common definition is 'the best a human can possibly be,' which makes sense, from the wording. However, Captain America is stronger than any human would ever be, he is faster than any human (and a lot of meta-humans) could hope to be, and he has survived the likes that few humans have ever witnessed.
Captain America is an AMAZING combatant, but not only hand to hand. He can adapt to nearly anything, and uses his shield with the utmost of efficiency.
True as it may be, that Drizzt has more abilities, and is more versatile, Captain America would still win in the head to head fight. Too much power behind his hands. What's more - Captain America doesn't even need to end Drizzt's life, a quick knock to the head with his shield would likely be capable of knocking him out, without ending his life.
There is so much Captain America underestimation on these boards (and, admittedly, a bit of overestimation in the canon comics), he is more than most people think of him.
Drizzt not only has Bracers, but also Anklets of speed, And Drow Elves are even more fast than standard surface elves, a fact backed up by the RPG rules as well as Salvatore. Drizzt is pretty much the fastest Drow alive WITHOUT the magical boost seeing as he had the highest possible natural Dexterity.
I'm not sure how much faster than Cap he is, but he IS faster and it's not a very small difference. he also has 2 weapons + Kicks to Cap' shield, free hand, and feet.
Plus Drizzt can lim Cap in faere fire at an unexpected moment to give him a second's hesitation, and that will be all she wrote.
He could also drop a globe of darkness on him if he throws the shield and deflect it and stay between Cap and his shield, and he will fight AT LEAST as well as Cap in the darkness due to his long long experience with it.
That being said, Cap can get a win or 2 in, but Drizzt wins AT LEAST 7/10
nice to see the thread is doing fine.
Originally posted by Soljer
Well, for starters, you are admonishing human's very much. Even in 'FR,' there are humans who can more than match elves, strike to strike. Saying that an elf is just outright BETTER than a human is somewhat ignorant in and of itself. Beyond that, you might also be mistaken on your definition of 'peak human.'The most common definition is 'the best a human can possibly be,' which makes sense, from the wording. However, Captain America is stronger than any human would ever be, he is faster than any human (and a lot of meta-humans) could hope to be, and he has survived the likes that few humans have ever witnessed.
Captain America is an AMAZING combatant, but not only hand to hand. He can adapt to nearly anything, and uses his shield with the utmost of efficiency.
True as it may be, that Drizzt has more abilities, and is more versatile, Captain America would still win in the head to head fight. Too much power behind his hands. What's more - Captain America doesn't even need to end Drizzt's life, a quick knock to the head with his shield would likely be capable of knocking him out, without ending his life.
There is so much Captain America underestimation on these boards (and, admittedly, a bit of overestimation in the canon comics), he is more than most people think of him.
Drizzt is not an AMAZING combatant, hes a IMPOSIBBLY GOOD fighter not with just his scimitars but with almost any handheld weapon (swords and that kind of stuff) his reflexes are lighting quick, before he had the braces he could do the phantom move: when a guy swings a sword his way he uses the visual block to move behind him, all the guy saw was: swing sword.... were did he go???.
Too much power behind his hands???
obould was an avatar for goodsakes, he could knock down a frostgiant, not to mention all the times hes fought ogres and once an earth elemental, Caps fast but not has fast has drizzt, id like to see cap hit drizzt with his shield, he can block it with one scimitar and skewer him with the other, and thats normal drizzt, remember i mentioned the hunter, the hunter drizzt is far more capable, but cap is also quite good so i give it to drizzt 8/10
Originally posted by tyranus
when a guy swings a sword his way he uses the visual block to move behind him, all the guy saw was: swing sword.... were did he go???
You mean like the time Captain America was being fired upon with a firearm and seemingly 'disappeared' to only be behind the firer?
Okay, Just checking.
Originally posted by Tassadar
He does? Ill have to look that up.
yes ande its quite good.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/tyranus_2006/?action=view¤t=homeland.jpg
Originally posted by tyranus
nice to see the thread is doing fine.Drizzt is not an AMAZING combatant, hes a IMPOSIBBLY GOOD fighter not with just his scimitars but with almost any handheld weapon (swords and that kind of stuff) his reflexes are lighting quick, before he had the braces he could do the phantom move: when a guy swings a sword his way he uses the visual block to move behind him, all the guy saw was: swing sword.... were did he go???.
Too much power behind his hands???
obould was an avatar for goodsakes, he could knock down a frostgiant, not to mention all the times hes fought ogres and once an earth elemental, Caps fast but not has fast has drizzt, id like to see cap hit drizzt with his shield, he can block it with one scimitar and skewer him with the other, and thats normal drizzt, remember i mentioned the hunter, the hunter drizzt is far more capable, but cap is also quite good so i give it to drizzt 8/10
Sorry. Cap still has dodged faster things the Drizzt. Drizzt doesn't have nothing to show that he is faster. The sword feat? Cap has done the same with faster things. Like bullets:
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca21053pc.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=103ak.jpg
Or flamethrowers:
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav48p15hgwells7xe.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav48p16hgwells0ga.jpg
He moves as fast as the shield he throws:
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica241021xm.jpg
As for not being able to block two swords...you are quite wrong there:
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005065ur.jpg
He could also very easily dodge them:
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005059vh.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca140167bd.jpg
As for Drittz dodging Cap's thrown shield...this is one example of how fast it goes:
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1396147hx.jpg
Few examples how well he throws it (he handles the shield as well as Drizzt handles scimitars...not to mention that the shield is harder to handle):
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cap41ed.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avgrs75111kk.jpg
As for Drizzt blocking the shield...won't happen:
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers004138iu.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv1010192sc.jpg
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca25045hl.jpg
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericaiii25p342tk.jpg
And this thing just has to be posted to show Cap badassness. Something that Drizzt could not do:
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Most scans taken from Captain America Respect thread.
I never admonished humans and I never said elves were better, thats a very narrow and incorrect view of what I said. I said "a non-human that is past human peak performance" I never said anything about humans vs. elves I only stated to what species each character is. If your going to try and pick apart my theory at least read what i said. Drizzt as well has dodged faster things than caps shield and has blocked faster things as well. Arrows and crossbow bolts to name a couple. Im not underestimating cap at all, I just dont think he can do it. Drizzt is one of the if not the finest swordsman in that particular fantasy world and has taken down people and beings tougher than cap.
While Drizzt is considered to be an 18th level Character. Cap should be considered an Epic Level Fighter. I mean jesus christ his sparring partners were a thunder god, an iron golem, and uber troll (thor, iron man, and ... okay so theres no such thing as uber troll, but what else would you use to describe hulk). He even orders around guys like Hercules, the sentry,
Cap America seems to be a 24th level epic level fighter with
BAT: +26, AC +25, STR 24, DEX 24, CON 18, WIS 16, INT 15, CHA 20
They both fought demons. How many gods can drizzt attest to defeating. Cosmic Cube, Korvac... jeez... honestly take RA Salvatore away from Drizzt, have cap watching drizzt piss the on flag and burn it... and watch cap develop a new feat, how to decapitate an elf with his shield.
I think Drizzt is faster, and more agile, and is insanely skilled with his weapons... LIKE INSANELY skilled, I think the only way that captian america could win would be too draw out the fight, because Cap probably has a greater endurance. Drizzts globes of darkness could really be a deciding factor. I think it would be one hell of a fight... like awesome, 6.5/10 for drizzt though, he is just way to fast, and way to agile and deadly with those swords.
Drizzt was a 20th level fighter befor turning into a ranger in which he is 18th level. 38 total levels. Thats from the menzoberranzan box set. He has defeated loths minions and her plans, thats pretty amazing in it self.gods are a lot different between these two worlds you know that, When you say a god in d&d it means a god. Big difference........Well anyway that my take on it, we aint all gonna agree thats just the way it is. These are different characters from two different worlds.
Gods in DD are not much compared to some beings in Marvel. And Drizzt hasn't still proven that he is faster...while Cap has better speed feats then he does.
Cap 7.5/10.
Arrows and Crossbow bolts don't move faster then Cap's shield. Nor they have the same force behind them (he threw it through a truck...)
Its kinda hard to compare feats when ones in panel and ones on paper so I dont think we can really determin with certainty who is faster though I believe drizzts magic makes the difference. As far as caps shield being faster than arrows or bolts the only way Ill believe that is seeing stats on paper. Im a competition archer myself and custom arrow builder. Modern bows can launch arrows well in excess of 300 feet per second(many around 330fps which is about 378 miles per hour). Ancient longbows a bit slower(The heavier bows shoot buy the english around 250 fps or about 280 miles per hour) with crossbows a bit faster than the typical longbow. Does anyone think cap can throw a 12 pound object at or more than 300 miles per hour? Throwing the shield thru a truck Id think had more to do with the shields construction than with the speed its thrown at.
Cap's shield throw catched with an ICBM missile once.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpg
Plus there is the aforementioned scan where it blocked a bullet after it had been fired. And many others. And the shields construction didn't have anything to do with it going through it. Do you know what it is composed of?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Cap's shield throw catched with an ICBM missile once.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpgPlus there is the aforementioned scan where it blocked a bullet after it had been fired. And many others. And the shields construction didn't have anything to do with it going through it. Do you know what it is composed of?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Cap's shield throw catched with an ICBM missile once.
http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav327p097zm.jpgPlus there is the aforementioned scan where it blocked a bullet after it had been fired. And many others. And the shields construction didn't have anything to do with it going through it. Do you know what it is composed of?
It's public knowledge that his SHield is indestructable. Drizzt is too good a fighter to block it directly. He COULD redirect it away from him using his magically enhanced Scimitars though, and if teh Straps that Cap uses to hold it AREN"T indestructable there's a chance that those won't be together/there when the shield gets back to Cap severely limiting it's usefulness in a melee fight.
