Originally posted by rotiart
Captain America Wins. In this fight its drizzt vs Captain. I don't remember anyone saying a crappy RA Salvatore is writting the script. No automatic deus ex machina for the elf. Hell Captain America in D&D terms is an epic level 30 fighter. He'd defeat Drizzt. Purely on principle.
And Drizzt IS a 38th level character.
But of course he loses because he's not from comics and RA had to be writing him beyond his capabilities.
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Originally posted by DalakLike he's quick enough to cut the straps while Captain is wielding it. Seriously, Drizzt is not faster then Cap. He is not better fighter then Cap. He doesn't have as good stamina as Cap does. Cap is stronger then he is. And Cap could dodge those scimitars.
Too bad that with 2 quick cuts that he won't be able to block thanks to corresponding HEadshots he will soon be Captain France 😄
Cap simply has better feats, and I'm judging characters of what they have done. Not what someone assumes that they can do.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerActually, according his stats, Drizzt is in literal GODLY level of agility and reflexes. He can litterally run up a perfectly smooth 90 degree surface with no imperfections, without losing a step, while swordfighting. I can't recite what his stats are in third edition offhand, but in second edition according the Heros for Forgotten Realms book, The limited print "Book of the Drow"the Forgotten Realms boxed set and the Menzoberanzan boxed set, his Dexterity is a 20, due to Dark Elf natural +2 bonus to Dex [amd +1 to Int but thats not what I'm discussing here.] For comparison only Dieties themselves utypically have stats that go to that degree.[Aside from Giants in the strength department, but they are direct decendents of the ancient gods as is..]
Like he's quick enough to cut the straps while Captain is wielding it. Seriously, Drizzt is not faster then Cap. He is not better fighter then Cap. He doesn't have as good stamina as Cap does. Cap is stronger then he is. And Cap could dodge those scimitars.Cap simply has better feats, and I'm judging characters of what they have done. Not what someone assumes that they can do.
Not to mention dark elves have higher movement rates than elves do, who have higher movement rates than humans do. Drizzt IS faster than any normal human can be on his feet. Even aside his nimbleness aforementioned.
Cap is stronger though.
And both are premier top tier calible fighters. [Although a few can challenge Drizzt, he is considered THE top swordsman in his world. Even though he never fully got to challenge himself against Zaknafien in his right mind, only in wraith form]
I'm not saying for sure Drizzt or Cap would win or lose, but at least give credit where it's due. Drizzt is badass, 100%.
Originally posted by Dalak
And Drizzt IS a 38th level character.But of course he loses because he's not from comics and RA had to be writing him beyond his capabilities.
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... What? Drizzt is a level 15 Ranger.
His Third Edition Stats.
Strength: 13
Dexterity: 21
Constitution: 15
Intelligence: 17
Wisdom: 17
Charisma: 14
Fortitude Save +12
Reflex Save +12
Will Save +8
Annnnnnnnnnnd just for the hell of it Artemis' 3 Edition Stats
Strength: 14
Dexterity: 20
Constitution: 15
Intelligence: 16
Wisdom: 16
Charisma: 14
Fortitude Save +13
Reflex Save +17
Will Save +8
In second edition where he first stats appeared he was a 20th level fighter befor a turned into a ranger, in which he attained 18th level. I have all the recources stating this(menzoberranzan box set). They changed everything when 3rd came out(dont know why?). I still have the original basic edition box(as well as all the 1st,2nd and 3rd edition stuff) set I started with as a fact, just a side note there. No one plays anymore but I keep everything and read it now and again. When people do still play for the most part they play 2nd edition, 3rd isnt that popular with the old players.
No one has answered my question yet? Has anyone who keeps putting Drizzt down read all 16 or so books from the trilogy? Are you comparing speed and feats because ones a d&d character and one a superhero or are you basing them on actual knowledge of both characters? If you havent read all the books then its kinda hard to have an objective view I think. Your missing out on a great ammount of information.
Originally posted by MJOILNIRYes, I actually have. Not sure if there have been published more in USA then Finland, but I have read all three books of The Dark Elf Trilogy, all three books of Icewind Trilogy, all four books in Legacy of the Drow, the four books in Paths of Darkness and the three books in The Hunter's Blades. One of the things I remember is that Artemis Entreri was quite equal with Drizzt before he got injured and older. And Entreri is a normal human. And even though the feats in all the books were good, none of them shows that Drizzt is better in any area then Cap. And the feats I have shown here are something like 7% of the stuff Cap has done in comics.
Thats were the problem lies we will never have on panel proof, only what we read. Not trying to be smart darkcrawler honestly but have you read the entire dark elf trilogy, 14 or so books? Thiers some amazing feats in that series. No doubt cap is stronger but then again drizzt has never tried to fight a much stronger opponnent head on( i.e directly blocking a much stronger person)
And in addition Cap being stronger, he also is equal or better in every other thing too.
One book is like saying Ive read 10 or 15 of caps comics. Its hardly a good measure of a character. Theres a lot of awsome feats there you havent read yet. You cant judge the whole cap vs. drizzt thing on the drizzt vs artemis stories. Theres several feats drizzt has done that overshadow artimis's. Anyway I highly suggest you read them thier really good reads you would probably like the series. Its great.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I have read them all. 🤨My favorite book, but although Drizzt has feats that overshadow Artemis's, he has none that overshadow Cap's...while Cap has some that overshadow Drizzt's...
You are right on that, but still, the only reason of that is because caps been longer than drizzt (speaking of when they came out) and caps feats are in his world, let me see cap come to FR and piss off the dark elves, capn in the underdark......., wonder how long would he survive.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I have read them all. 🤨My favorite book, but although Drizzt has feats that overshadow Artemis's, he has none that overshadow Cap's...while Cap has some that overshadow Drizzt's...
Drizzt never got the Anklets/Bracers until after they (Young Entreri)fought, and Cattibrie got Cutter. After that the Drow War happened, and Drizzt went off a'wandering where he finally met up with Entreri for their final Duel.
You've read the books too so you know this as much as me, why misrepresent it?
Oh yeah, and the 2 cuts I was talking about were to his Stars and Stripes below 😉
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes, I actually have. Not sure if there have been published more in USA then Finland, but I have read all three books of The Dark Elf Trilogy, all three books of Icewind Trilogy, all four books in Legacy of the Drow, the four books in Paths of Darkness and the three books in The Hunter's Blades. One of the things I remember is that Artemis Entreri was quite equal with Drizzt before he got injured and older. And Entreri is a normal human. And even though the feats in all the books were good, none of them shows that Drizzt is better in any area then Cap. And the feats I have shown here are something like 7% of the stuff Cap has done in comics.And in addition Cap being stronger, he also is equal or better in every other thing too.
So of course he can fight blind better than a Drow Warrior who's been training like that for his entire life.
Pull the other one 😉
OH yes, SMvsFL applies to Cap just as much as Spidey.
Originally posted by tyranusLonger then you think. He's fought many people while blind. Give him infrared vision, and he'd be able to own lot of elves.
You are right on that, but still, the only reason of that is because caps been longer than drizzt (speaking of when they came out) and caps feats are in his world, let me see cap come to FR and piss off the dark elves, capn in the underdark......., wonder how long would he survive.
Let me see Drizzt last longer then a panel against some of people Cap has fought...
If anyone ever argues that Captain america would possible loose to daredevil, or black panther, but not realize that he could lose to Drizzt... thats just stupid, the guy is freaking awesome with his swords, + his magic, its his limited magic ability which I think gives him the edge, so I stand with it 6.5/10 for drizzt... man I wanna see this in a comic now!