Drizzt Do'Urden Vs Captain america

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Well, fighting blind is something Drizzt is able to do better.

Still, I've given Scenarios where he can use that to his advantage, and EVERY fight can be blind, and the only point where I mentioned the Shield Cuts was after he threw it, Cap is good enough to guard that weakness in a fight.

Drizzt will know he's not as strong, as that is one of his frailties, so he'd take advantage of his speed advantage (Incredibly Fast + DOubling = Faster than Cap, though the level of it is arguable) and they would be leaping and dodging around every time, and Drizzt can leave a globe of darkness around every time he touches down again. Eventually Cap will have to thorw his shiled if he expects to get a hit in on Drizzt and then he's disarmed, as Drizzt can scatter various items around while throwing daggers at where cap was and most likely where he's headed as a distraction.

Then it's Drizzt's fight.

And as I said before, Cap will have some wins (this isn't a Stomp), but he will not win the Majority IMO

Prove that Drizzt is faster. Has he done something that shows that he is faster?

Until he has, he has no speed advantage.

And no freaking way will Drizzt cut the shield straps while it's in flight. It's way too fast for that, and seeing with the incredible skill it's thrown with...

bruenor>drizzt

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Prove that Drizzt is faster. Has he done something that shows that he is faster?

Until he has, he has no speed advantage.

And no freaking way will Drizzt cut the shield straps while it's in flight. It's way too fast for that, and seeing with the incredible skill it's thrown with...

Cap is a Peak Human like Batman only thx to the Juice he is more, but he's not Spiderman, nor should he be. Regardless ALL 3 defeat people they shouldn't.

If there was confirmation of the 90 degree running (which I can't remember myself) I'd ask if Cap had done anything like that.

Has he hopped from rock to rock running down an avalanche? And I think slashing down multiple arrows at once to be nice (2-3 in one slash in the Hunters Blades), and one of the closest thing he can get to bullets. I also belive during the Drow War he deflected some rock shards that were shrapnel from an explosion, and beat the striking heads of a snake Whip though I don't have the books on hand to verify.

Admittedly they aren't bullets, but just saying that they aren't isn't enough to prove that Cap is faster. And regardless of whether they are shooting guns or crossbows, using someone's weapon to hide from them shows that you are beating Human reflexes, and Drizzt did that before having his speed Doubled which you don't seem to care about.

DId the SSS make him more than double a peak human or did it make him slightly above peak human?

ICBM and keeping up with SHield is SMvsFL IMO, and apparently I'm not the only one to think so.

E: Oh yeah, What has skill to do with a thrown object once it's left the hand? And of course Drizzt hasn't slashed almost every missile weapon sent his way, unless in an overwhelming barrage.

Even if he cuts one strap that hinders Cap signifigantly.

Darkcrawler I misunderstood your post about reading them. Well everyone to thier own opinion but I dont think caps gonna win(I dont think he can counteract the magic) but I guess we'll never know.

He's clearly above peak human. He has kept up with Beast in agility, lifted 2200 pounds, ran with 60 mph per hour, blocked bullets and lasers with his shield...

As for shield throwing, lets try a bit of realism...because of the shape and vibranium in the shield, it has no air resistance at all. Even when it bounces from walls, it suffers no loss of velocity. thus making it fly probably as fast as baseball if it was thrown by professional baseball player. A baseball player flight speed record is something like 110 mph.

Since Cap is at least three times faster then the fastest human in the world in running, easily at least six times faster in blocking stuff then a human, and at least five times stronger then the strongest human in our world, I'd say he'd be able to throw that shield something like six times faster then a human would, making it go 500-600 mph, especially considering his unmatchable skill with it, give or take...

I don't think Drizzt would be able to cut anything from it, especially when considering that with those velocities, it has been thrown through trucks and hurt superhumans...if he'd try it, he'd probably get knocked out by it. His best bet would be probably dodge it, and in that case it would just effortlessly bound back to Cap's hands, and he could use it again.

He could also cut Drizzt's arms or head off with a shield throw if he wanted...he's cut through iron or things like robots with his shield before.

As for your hopping from one rock to another while in avalanche, I think these more then make up for it:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123518rougher4et.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav1402ocd057ko.jpg
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005059vh.jpg

As for all your deflecting things, these pretty much beat them by a longshot:
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv3005065ur.jpg
http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers170043em.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica267171fx.jpg

I have read every Drizzt appearance (excluding the "Best of..." shorts, I've only read the ones involving Artemis) and for the live of me I can't figure out how someone comes to the conclusion that Drizzt could even pose a thread to Captain America (or any established street level for that matter). The difference in levels of feats are astounding. Do people not see how flawed it is to assume that all different mediums have the same ideas of superhuman and peak human - That because Captain America is the best fighter in Marvel... Drizzt must be his equal because he is the best in Abeir-Toril (which he isn't by the way)?

There is little evidence to support that he is even Caps equal in strength or speed while the evidence in Cap's favour is overwhelming. How much use is a globe of darkness going to be? Combatants have basic knowledge of their enemy so Cap knows to expect the globe and even if he didn't it would only be good to surprise Cap for a brief moment.

I like Drizzt much, much more then Cap (as a Canadian he isn't a very appealing character) but honestly Cap would walk all over him in a fight.

By the way Drizzt anklets only improve his running speed; which is good because when you are fighting a guy who can run 60mph you certainly need a boost.

According to the one article I read on Drizzt, it said he's so quick on his feet because he wears some speed bracers on his ankles instead of his arms because he couldn't control his swings at such high speeds and he values the footwork more.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
According to the one article I read on Drizzt, it said he's so quick on his feet because he wears some speed bracers on his ankles instead of his arms because he couldn't control his swings at such high speeds and he values the footwork more.

Originally posted by King KAM
cap dodges quicksilver...

As if it were his job.

My interpretation of Captain America's stats.

Base Attack Bonus: 20 + 6 for strength + 2 for weapon and greater weapon specialization. for a total of +28
Armor Class bonus: 10 + 6 + 10 for a total of +26

Strength: 22 (He tosses a 20 lb object hundreds of yards, and wears heavy chainmail all day and night)
Dexterity: 22 (Guy dodges Bullets)
Constitution: 15
Intelligence: 10 (not exceptionally smart.. i mean he did sign up for untesting medical experiments... come on now..)
Wisdom: 14
Charisma: 20 (He leads the Avengers)
Fortitude Save +12
Reflex Save +24 (guy avoids hits from the hulk/thor/quicksilver)
Will Save +10 (Hes good, but he's still been mindcontrolled before)

Captain America holds a Relic. Shield of Returning +10. This shield grants the wield the ability to use the spell TrueStrike 1/day as a free action. The bonus only applies when throwing the shield. Also similar to a hammer of returning, the shield will automatically return to the wielder's hand on any natural roll greater than 5. Shield damage when thrown is 1d12 +10 crit bonus is x 3/18-20 . (Since Captain America has the Critical Feat with shields, the bonus increases to (15-20)

The captain wears gauntlets of missile deflection. Elven Chainmail +5. Boots of Speed.

I recall Wulfgars strength being 25 and IMO Captain America is stronger then him. Nice work though rotiart.

Used to play d&d for the longest time. And i honestly don't have my handbooks on me. i haven't looked at one in a year, and i'm going from memory for 3.5. but yah, if Wulfgar is 25, Cap should be 25 too.

Can you imagine Cap in a d&d campaign? Thor went insane. I just beat the crap outta him. How much experience points do i get for beating up a god?

Wulfgar was the strength of a hill giant, it was 19 in the old system, probably is 25 in the new system. I first started playing in 1983 in think it was? It was basic not long after the white box.

I have no experience with anything before 3rd Edition... /cry

You ought to try 2nd, its a little more complicated but makes for a more in depth game I think. Basic was "to" basic compared to the others. Ive got the 3rd edition stuff, I like it ok but I dont understand why they changed everyones levels from the earlier system?? Dosnt make sense.

I like each system respectively. To me either system works, as long as you have the right materials. To me it feels like you need a gridmap and actually pieces to play 3rd edition, which is probably what they wanted since WOTC sells so many miniatures right now. In any case the game is only played well with a great dm, and good players. The dm has to be the most imaginiative person and charismatic member of your group.
WOTC created 3rd edition to make money. plain and simple.

BTW, cap still wins this fight 7/10. In D&D most fights are won by who has the cooler gear. Drizzt has magic Items... but Essentially cap America has an artifact... drizzt has toothpicks.

Originally posted by rotiart
I like each system respectively. To me either system works, as long as you have the right materials. To me it feels like you need a gridmap and actually pieces to play 3rd edition, which is probably what they wanted since WOTC sells so many miniatures right now. In any case the game is only played well with a great dm, and good players. The dm has to be the most imaginiative person and charismatic member of your group.
WOTC created 3rd edition to make money. plain and simple.

Originally posted by rotiart
BTW, cap still wins this fight 7/10. In D&D most fights are won by who has the cooler gear. Drizzt has magic Items... but Essentially cap America has an artifact... drizzt has toothpicks.