I don't really understand what the big deal is, genetic or result of upbringing. The important question is: Is it wrong? And obviously the only answer is, no. At least for us whose lives are not controlled by a deity.
One thing we all know for sure it's not a choice, it might be a result of upbringing but what's wrong with that? There are many things about ourselves that are a result of our upbringing. And if homo/bisexuality is indeed a result of our upbringing then so is heterosexuality.
Originally posted by Draco69
It depends on the definition of homosexuality people subscribe to. Either:A) Homosexuality is the act of sexual relations with a person of one's own gender.
B) Homosexuality is the sexual attraction to one's own gender.
If you're in Camp A, than you're gonna think it's a choice. If you're Camp B, you're gonna think it's not a choice.
It's really just a disagreement on the definition of homosexuality and moreover sexual orientation.
B is the correct definition.
There are gay and bisexual virgins. You cannot deny thier existance, so how the hell would Definition A fit?
Originally posted by Eis
How would definition A fit? Everyone being asexual until they have sexual intercouse. But it is of course a faulty logic...
Right but if everyone is asexual before they have sex, then that means that there are no such things as straight virgins, gay virgins, or bisexual virgins.
As is a virgin's sexual orientation and desire is shaped by thier experiences.
This is totally absurd, because a Virgin is already aware of his or her own desire before having sex.
Re: Is being bisexual a sin?
Originally posted by Leo.M
You're not gay, but you're also not straight. Is that a sin in God's eyes? Is it wrong to like both men and women? 😕
I like to think that God/Jesus wouldn't care what you are, so long as you are happy.
Isn't a persons happiness all that matters? 🙄
Being something isn't a sin. (except maybe being sinful?)
A sin is an action. Therefore only actions can be sins. Any Sexual act outside of marriage (definition: union of man and woman) is a sin. (Ironically inside of marriage it pretty much becomes a commandment)
A Bisexual who had mastered him/herself would not be committing said sexual sins. Anyone who sleeps with more than one individual is by definition (the christian one anyway) committing sin. Add to that that Biblically sexual contact with the same sex (homo-sexuality) is strictly forbidden.
So a bi-sexual may be prone to sin, but being bi-sexual isn't automatically a sin.
And no, happiness isn't all that matters, there's also Justice and Mercy. God wouldn't really be just if He just let anyone do whatever they wanted now would he?
Originally posted by docb77
Being something isn't a sin. (except maybe being sinful?)A sin is an action. Therefore only actions can be sins. Any Sexual act outside of marriage (definition: union of man and woman) is a sin. (Ironically inside of marriage it pretty much becomes a commandment)
A Bisexual who had mastered him/herself would not be committing said sexual sins. Anyone who sleeps with more than one individual is by definition (the christian one anyway) committing sin. Add to that that Biblically sexual contact with the same sex (homo-sexuality) is strictly forbidden.
So a bi-sexual may be prone to sin, but being bi-sexual isn't automatically a sin.
And no, happiness isn't all that matters, there's also Justice and Mercy. God wouldn't really be just if He just let anyone do whatever they wanted now would he?
Originally posted by Eis
Do you personally believe homosexuality/bisexuallity is wrong? If you do, do you have any arguments to support your personal opinion? (Other than of course "THE BIBLE SAYS SO!!!11" and "ITS NOT NATURAL, THEY CANT REPRODUCE, K!!???"😉
I believe I said somewhere in there that I was speaking from a Christian perspective. Could have sworn I made that disclaimer at least once. And seeing as how this is a "religion forum", I assumed that was a valid position to argue from. I couldn't say what religions outside of the Judeo-Christian/Muslim paradigm think of homosexuality, but in those sets of beliefs homosexuality is considered wrong. I suppose that whether or not you personally consider it wrong would depend on which faith you subscribe to. Whether or not God considers it wrong is completely independent of either yours or my beliefs.
By the way, what kind of evidence are you looking for there? Here's an easy one - give me that kind of evidence for murder (I assume we both agree that that is wrong) being wrong. I'll see what I can do for you once I understand what you are looking for.
Originally posted by docb77
Being something isn't a sin. (except maybe being sinful?)A sin is an action. Therefore only actions can be sins. Any Sexual act outside of marriage (definition: union of man and woman) is a sin. (Ironically inside of marriage it pretty much becomes a commandment)
A Bisexual who had mastered him/herself would not be committing said sexual sins. Anyone who sleeps with more than one individual is by definition (the christian one anyway) committing sin. Add to that that Biblically sexual contact with the same sex (homo-sexuality) is strictly forbidden.
So a bi-sexual may be prone to sin, but being bi-sexual isn't automatically a sin.
And no, happiness isn't all that matters, there's also Justice and Mercy. God wouldn't really be just if He just let anyone do whatever they wanted now would he?
Murder is wrong, because you are violating someone's rights and free will by taking away thier life, especially without thier consent.
Homosexual Activity is not wrong, because it is action between two or more consenting adults/teenagers, who know what they are doing, and are not hurting each other. It's only immoral is RAPE is involved.
Homosexuality is just as immoral as heterosexuality.....having sex without the intention of having a child, having sex either for displaying love or lust, having sex simply for pleasure...
I don't see what the actual moral difference is? As long as no one is being violated or harmed, than what's the evil?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Murder is wrong, because you are violating someone's rights and free will by taking away thier life, especially without thier consent.Homosexual Activity is not wrong, because it is action between two or more consenting adults/teenagers, who know what they are doing, and are not hurting each other. It's only immoral is RAPE is involved.
Homosexuality is just as immoral as heterosexuality.....having sex without the intention of having a child, having sex either for displaying love or lust, having sex simply for pleasure...
I don't see what the actual moral difference is? As long as no one is being violated or harmed, than what's the evil? [/B]
So is interfering with someone else's rights the only way something can be wrong? What about recreational drugs when you're by yourself, or speeding when there's no one else on the road?
Originally posted by docb77
So is interfering with someone else's rights the only way something can be wrong? What about recreational drugs when you're by yourself, or speeding when there's no one else on the road?
1) Recreational drugs and speeding have nothing to do with the issue of Bisexuality, can you stay on topic please?
2) You didn't actually COUNTER my point. You simply tried to answer my point by changing the subject, and that is the poorest way to do such a thing.
3) Counter my points directly, or don't bother debating with me. Thanks.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Recreational drugs and speeding have nothing to do with the issue of Bisexuality, can you stay on topic please?2) You didn't actually COUNTER my point. You simply tried to answer my point by changing the subject, and that is the poorest way to do such a thing.
3) Counter my points directly, or don't bother debating with me. Thanks.
Actually I wasn't changing the subject. I was trying to clarify your answer to my question. Is the only criteria for something being wrong whether or not it infringes on the inherent rights of someone else, or are some things inherently wrong?