Originally posted by docb77Nothing is inherently wrong, although things may be considered so by people.
Actually I wasn't changing the subject. I was trying to clarify your answer to my question. Is the only criteria for something being wrong whether or not it infringes on the inherent rights of someone else, or are some things inherently wrong?
Originally posted by Alliance
You what else isnt natural?2. Black people and white people drinking out of the same water fountain.
I do hope you are not serious... 😕
Originally posted by Alliance
4. Life support.
Keep in mind that a fetus relys on the mother to survive-therefore a woman provides life support to a fetus.
This is only if you were actually serious about your claims, which I doubt you were.
Originally posted by docb77
I believe I said somewhere in there that I was speaking from a Christian perspective. Could have sworn I made that disclaimer at least once. And seeing as how this is a "religion forum", I assumed that was a valid position to argue from. I couldn't say what religions outside of the Judeo-Christian/Muslim paradigm think of homosexuality, but in those sets of beliefs homosexuality is considered wrong. I suppose that whether or not you personally consider it wrong would depend on which faith you subscribe to. Whether or not God considers it wrong is completely independent of either yours or my beliefs.By the way, what kind of evidence are you looking for there? Here's an easy one - give me that kind of evidence for murder (I assume we both agree that that is wrong) being wrong. I'll see what I can do for you once I understand what you are looking for.
Originally posted by Eis
I don't claim murder is wrong. I think, in my non-important personal opinion, that it is wrong but there is no universal set of morals, so muder technically isn't wrong.
I have no way to argue logically with this kind of moral ambuguity.
What I can say is that if you ascribe to a religion, meaning that you believe it to be of God, then you have to accept the whole thing. If your religion says that something is a sin, then it should be regarded as such. If you aren't religious, what does it matter what other people think of you?
Originally posted by docb77
Actually I wasn't changing the subject. I was trying to clarify your answer to my question. Is the only criteria for something being wrong whether or not it infringes on the inherent rights of someone else, or are some things inherently wrong?
I believe that Morality is both subjective AND intuitive. Maybe that answers your question better. I beleive true morality to be an evolutionary way that we as human beings better socialize, to promote the flourishing of our species.
I beleive Morality is all about how we treat each other. Not who we worship, what book we beleive in, or what rules we follow.
I also find it very possible that homosexuality[/i] may be an evolutionary development that helps limit the population. This makes so much sense to me, as seeing how Nature already uses other methods to limit population (famine, disease, the food chain)...homosexuality seems like the kindest way to limit population.
[b]Murder is morally wrong because you are taking away one's life without thier permission. I can go on and on about this, but why bother? We both think it's wrong obviously.
However, let me clarify my stance on what is evil to you: TO ME...there are three true evils...Inflicting on another person:
1) Death
2) Torture
3) Control
Anything that falls under these categories is automatically evil to me. Now ofcourse, with DEATH, i beleive there are few exceptions. I beleive there are even fewer exceptions with Torture and Control, if any exist at all.
Homosexuality does not fall onto inflicting any of these three things. Homosexuality is simply the mutual sexuality activity between two consenting human beings of the same gender.
How is it evil?
It's not to me....it's only "sinful" because your religion says so. I beleive your religious perspective here to be false and invalid. My apologies, but that is my stance.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
However, let me clarify my stance on what is evil to you: TO ME...there are three true evils...Inflicting on another person:1) Death
2) Torture
3) Control
Anything that falls under these categories is automatically evil to me. Now ofcourse, with DEATH, i beleive there are few exceptions. I beleive there are even fewer exceptions with Torture and Control, if any exist at all.
And this can be simplified as : "What limits freedom is evil." Freedom is the most important thing, when someone dies, you are no longer free to be with this person. When someone is tortured, this person is not free of feeling good. When someone is controlled, well this person isn't free at all.
I would never respect a religion that limits peoples' freedom. A religion that tell women to hide themselves under their clothes for example. Also, a religion that doesn't let you love as you wish may it be before or even after the wedding. A religion that asks you to believe in one being without questionning or else you will suffer in hell for eternity.
Now what religions aren't evil ? I'd say Satanism or Buddhism, maybe.
Originally posted by SP90
And this can be simplified as : "What limits freedom is evil." Freedom is the most important thing, when someone dies, you are no longer free to be with this person. When someone is tortured, this person is not free of feeling good. When someone is controlled, well this person isn't free at all.I would never respect a religion that limits peoples' freedom. A religion that tell women to hide themselves under their clothes for example. Also, a religion that doesn't let you love as you wish may it be before or even after the wedding. A religion that asks you to believe in one being without questionning or else you will suffer in hell for eternity.
Now what religions aren't evil ? I'd say Satanism or Buddhism, maybe.
I think Evil is more complicated than that. Well here's my take:
Inflicting:
1) Death- violates Life
2) Torture- violates Comfort
3) Control- Violates Freedom
I think anything that destroys or violates one's Life, Comfort, or Freedom is evil. Now people may argue that certain evils are necessary, but that's a whole other debate
Re: Is being bisexual a sin?
Originally posted by Leo.M
You're not gay, but you're also not straight. Is that a sin in God's eyes? Is it wrong to like both men and women? 😕
According to the definition of homosexual, you are still gay because being gay does not exclude doing it with the opposite sex, as long as you are attracted to or have sex with the same gender.
put it this way! if you enjoy watching porn of a guy with a girl, then you are gay, because 'another guy in action' seems to be an attraction to you. 😈 So if you own a couple of xxx rated movies or magazines. you may be gay but delusional about it. And the more you have watched the more gay you are. So if you are married or have a girlfriend you my call yourself bisexual but it does not take way the fact that you are gay. 😮💨