Originally posted by Metalmanx
I still think it's pretty easy for Nightcrawler to at least keep Wolverine distracted. And by distracted, I mean dropped from several miles high. A few times.
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Originally posted by Acrosurge
...and below is the quote.I don't see much hope for Matt and Logan here. Pete and Kurt have too much going for them, not the least of which is Peter's recent enhancements. I'd have given pre-Other Spidey 7/10 odds over Wolverine. Now, I give him 8-9/10. Even if it somehow became Wolverine and Daredevil vs Spider-Man, I'd still give it to Spidey. DD isn't fast enough to evade SM and one punch is all it will take to lay Horn-Head out. Spidey can easily multi-task that blow with his new Spider-Sense with plenty of attack and evasion game to deal with Wolverine.
Why is it that that scan is always shown? It doesnt prove a point at all. Please stop posting half battles. Post the scan after that where Daredevil still wasnt knocked out and proceded to dodge the rest of Spidermans punches with relative ease. If you dont have the rest of that scirmish, youre misled and your misleading others.
Originally posted by capt it up
To bad Night crawler would never be able to do that. Not only has Wolverine caught NC is mid teleport before, but NC has admitted him self that he can't take Logan..
Youre right capt. I dont know how many times it has to be said. Nightcrawlers BAMF'ing gives him away. Logan has got the best of him and so had Iron Fist. Daredevil knows when Nightcrawler is about to port in. These are all against NC's favor. I dont know what else is there to prove really.
Originally posted by jrodslamHe can't know when he's about to port in. That would be precognition. He could only know as he's in the process of porting in. A process that takes less than a tenth of a second.
Youre right capt. I dont know how many times it has to be said. Nightcrawlers BAMF'ing gives him away. Logan has got the best of him and so had Iron Fist. Daredevil knows when Nightcrawler is about to port in. These are all against NC's favor. I dont know what else is there to prove really.
Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Daredevil might be able to know when is bought to port but he will not be able to do shit about it.If he ports behind him can grab him and port away before DD can would be able to throw a punch.The only person that has precog and the reflex's to stop NC is on his team.
Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine has hit NC in mid teleport on more then one occassion. NC has also admitted he not match for wolverine on more then one occassion.
Mid-teleport? You mean while he was in the OTHER DIMENSION that he traverses through in order to teleport? Now this I've gotta see.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He can't know when he's about to port in. That would be precognition. He could only know as he's in the process of porting in. A process that takes less than a tenth of a second.
Not so. Wouldnt the brimstone be the process of Nightcrawler porting in before he himself is actually present? Iron Fist saw the brimstone just before NC actually appeared. Daredevil on the other hand knew Nightcrawler was about to port in BEFORE the brimstone even appeared.
Originally posted by Blade Cutter
Daredevil might be able to know when is bought to port but he will not be able to do shit about it.If he ports behind him can grab him and port away before DD can would be able to throw a punch.The only person that has precog and the reflex's to stop NC is on his team.
DD wont be able to do anything about it? Why not? As soon as hes in, hes hit. Thats been shown already. DD definately has the reflexes to do so. Especially when hes already ready for him to appear. If hes gonna appear behind DD, Daredevil would know the atmospheric change is behind him. Thus already be turned around or have his position moved.
Originally posted by jrodslamBoth of which make no sense. The brimstone accompanies him as he teleports back in, it's his power to teleport not the brimstone's the brimstone can't come without him. It takes a tenth of a second or less. If one were sensing "atmospheric disturbances" then they would be present both at the point of entry and the point of exit so one would have to distinguish between the two as well.
Not so. Wouldnt the brimstone be the process of Nightcrawler porting in before he himself is actually present? Iron Fist saw the brimstone just before NC actually appeared. Daredevil on the other hand knew Nightcrawler was about to port in BEFORE the brimstone even appeared.
He wouldn't be ready for him to appear if Nightcrawler disappears somewhere else for a period first.
"If hes gonna appear behind DD, Daredevil would know the atmospheric change is behind him. Thus already be turned around or have his position moved."
All in the space of .1-.2 seconds and DD's going to manage to hit him too before he disappears again. I can't see it happening. Seems even less plausible if one takes into account he can multiport all around.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Both of which make no sense. The brimstone accompanies him as he teleports back in, it's his power to teleport not the brimstone's the brimstone can't come without him. It takes a tenth of a second or less. If one were sensing "atmospheric disturbances" then they would be present both at the point of entry and the point of exit so one would have to distinguish between the two as well.He wouldn't be ready for him to appear if Nightcrawler disappears somewhere else for a period first.
"If hes gonna appear behind DD, Daredevil would know the atmospheric change is behind him. Thus already be turned around or have his position moved."
All in the space of .1-.2 seconds and DD's going to manage to hit him too before he disappears again. I can't see it happening. Seems even less plausible if one takes into account he can multiport all around.
Which part makes no sence? True the brimstone accompanies him as he teleports back in, however it does appear slightly before him. It almost seems instant. The atmospheric disturbance and the brimstone werent present at the same time. Daredevils senses are off the chars, so im sure it would be highly easy for him to distinguish the difference.
If Nightcrawler dissapears somewhere else for a period first, Dearedevil would know hes not gonna appear right away because of no change in the atmosphere. Same like knowing he would leave due to the change.
I do believe in 1-2 seconds DD would be able to hit him. Iron Fist noticed after 2 hits from NC then caught him as he ported in for the 3rd hit. This is one who doesnt have the ability to sence changes in the atmosphere.
Originally posted by jrodslamMisled? Daredevil admits that he knew Spidey's blow was coming and was not fast enough to do anything about it. Please explain how that is misleading. Would you debate that Daredevil is Spider-Man's physical better?
Why is it that that scan is always shown? It doesnt prove a point at all. Please stop posting half battles. Post the scan after that where Daredevil still wasnt knocked out and proceded to dodge the rest of Spidermans punches with relative ease. If you dont have the rest of that scirmish, youre misled and your misleading others.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Why is it that that scan is always shown? It doesnt prove a point at all. Please stop posting half battles. Post the scan after that where Daredevil still wasnt knocked out and proceded to dodge the rest of Spidermans punches with relative ease. If you dont have the rest of that scirmish, youre misled and your misleading others.
Did you read that fight?, while he was dodging he said that because Spider-man's mind was clouded by hypnosis he wasn't operating at peak effeiency and under normal circumstances he would never be able to out fight him, so either DD is just plain lieing or he's stating the obviouse, I'm ok with stating the obviouse.
And we don't even know if DD was dodging with ease he never said that it could have been taking all he had to dodge.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Misled? Daredevil admits that he knew Spidey's blow was coming and was not fast enough to do anything about it. Please explain how that is misleading. Would you debate that Daredevil is Spider-Man's physical better?
Its misleading because the one hit out of dozens Spidey has thrown, DD failed to completely dodge in time(although he still was able to roll with it), people use it as some sort of evidence that hes not fast enough to dodge Spidey. Daredevil wasnt fast enought to completely dodge the hit. He was fast enough to roll with it and not get knocked out. In the very next page, Spidey threw another 3-4 punches and completely missed all. If im not mistaken, that was the one time Daredevil ever mentioned not being able to move out of the way to dodge a Spiderman punch. 1 time out of about 6 or 7 fights. I dont know about you, but im sticking to whats more consistant and Daredevil dodging Spiderman is much more consistant than 1 hit.
Would i debate that Daredevil is physically better? Ofcourse not. However, in their battles against each other, although hes physically outclassed, its not apparent in the fights. Spiderman is physically faster, but due to DD's senses he can hardly land punches. Spidey is physically stronger, but due to DD's fighting ability and senses, he cant even land strong enough hits(if he lands one) to be effective right away. Do you disagree with that?
Originally posted by Sparkz
Did you read that fight?, while he was dodging he said that because Spider-man's mind was clouded by hypnosis he wasn't operating at peak effeiency and under normal circumstances he would never be able to out fight him, so either DD is just plain lieing or he's stating the obviouse, I'm ok with stating the obviouse.And we don't even know if DD was dodging with ease he never said that it could have been taking all he had to dodge.
I read the fight. Spiderman landing the first hit in that fight is constantly used in debates on this forum, but when the next page shows DD doding all other punches completely, someone comes along and mentions Spidey not being in his right mind(like you just did) and discredits what DD did after the initial hit. Yet uses the first hit as validation in saying Spideys much to fast for DD when 95% of their fights say otherwise. DD said that under normal circumstances that hed never be able to outfight him, but he could out think him. You seemed not mentiont that part. Was he lying when he was basically sayig that he out thinks Spidey under normal conditions or just stating the obvious?
Originally posted by jrodslam
Which part makes no sence? True the brimstone accompanies him as he teleports back in, however it does appear slightly before him. It almost seems instant. The atmospheric disturbance and the brimstone werent present at the same time. Daredevils senses are off the chars, so im sure it would be highly easy for him to distinguish the difference.If Nightcrawler dissapears somewhere else for a period first, Dearedevil would know hes not gonna appear right away because of no change in the atmosphere. Same like knowing he would leave due to the change.
I do believe in 1-2 seconds DD would be able to hit him. Iron Fist noticed after 2 hits from NC then caught him as he ported in for the 3rd hit. This is one who doesnt have the ability to sence changes in the atmosphere.
First of all, it's 0.1-0.2 seconds. We, as humans, can barely fathom how fast that is. Daredevil may have good reflexes, but not that good. He would definitely not land a hit.
Here are the facts.
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[*]Spiderman can lift 25 tons , ergo he can quite easily ram his fist through a humans body.
[*]Spiderman has reflexes forty times a normal humans .
[*]Spiderman has a precognitive power which kicks in when ever he is in any form of danger
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These three things alone mean Daredevil is screwed. Sure he may be a great fighter. But how can someone react to reflexes 39 times better then his own ? Also even IF Murdock can block a punch (Which I can't see happening unless some Major PIS is involved) the appendage would end up useless , if not rendered permanently inert.
Daredevil has zero chance of surviving this encounter with Spidey.